Re: [CGUYS] Snow Removal and disposal.
This is what I heard as well. I think of myself as an environmentalist, so it did get me thinking. What I heard was they didn't want the river dumping all this sand and salt into the ocean. Heaven forbid we contaminate the oceans with sand and salt. Next thing you know we'll be dumping chemicals and human waste there. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:18 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: What you missed is than it's not environmentally sound to dump snow in the river. Ask the greens for the logic. Has to do with the sand and salt mixed in with the snow. Fred Holmes At 07:55 AM 2/12/2010, Rich Schinnell wrote: FWIW: I still can't figure out why the local leaders are missing the best place to dispose of all of the snow removed from streets. There appears to be some sort of River running between VA/DC/MD that carries a lot of liguid to the sea that might possibly accept all the snow that is being dumped on a large parking lot in DC. What did I miss on this low tech solution to a high tech problem?? Even though I heard that our snow was the Mullah's praying for it. :) Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Removal and disposal.
But we can control how the weather effects us. We've already invented it. It's called a Winabego(sp). Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 13, 2010, at 11:02 AM, Fred Holmes wrote: The laws of physics tell you that you can't afford the necessary energy to significantly change the path of a storm, even if you were to invent a convenient mechanism for implementing it. Fred Holmes At 12:15 PM 2/13/2010, Ranbo wrote: *Whatever happened to the efforts to (somewhat) control weather? Will we ever be able to, say, disrupt a snowstorm enough to change its course to, for example, miss land and go off over the ocean? Or is this science fiction that will never be possible? Randall * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Snow Removal and disposal.
It is now. We have two term limits and President Reagan is no longer in office. So, no more Star Wars, no more particle beam weapons or freaky weather devices. Once again, you can blame the liberals. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Feb 13, 2010, at 9:15 AM, Ranbo wrote: *Whatever happened to the efforts to (somewhat) control weather? Will we ever be able to, say, disrupt a snowstorm enough to change its course to, for example, miss land and go off over the ocean? Or is this science fiction that will never be possible? Randall * On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Tell me about it. I lived in a corner house. Every morning I went out I would have this huge pile of snow right in my walk way. I would have to shovel a path out for the mail man or no mail. (Canada, no such thing as no matter snow or ice) I complained and the pile got bigger. What they would do is, as they came around the corner, they would aim for a corner to push all the snow too, My corner was the most convenient. Stewart At 06:57 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote: Exactly. And how do you do that? You dump or push it where people usually walk. In particular, urban and suburban snow removal is all about the automobile. Most bus stops become totally unusable after heavy snows. Buses may begin operating fairly soon after a large snowfall, but bus riders are SOL because they cannot even get on a bus at most stops and drivers cannot let them off. Thus, most buses will run their routes mostly empty of passengers. Many pedestrians wind up in hospitals or morgues after heavy snows because they have to walk the same traffic lanes being used by cars, trucks and other vehicles. Steve Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
YES, you CAN do that on an iPhone/Touch. iPad too? Probably. Don't need a stylus. I'd lose a stylus, and don't plan to lose my fingers any time soon. Yes, one can use their finger, but a stylus can provide for much finer lines, greater detail and more control if a tablet can provide such detail due to sensor design and attendant software. Quickly jotting down written notes is another good use for a stylus, with the stylus taking the place of a pencil or pen. However, the tablet must be designed for detailed drawing work... No it doesn't. It's in the software if the underlying system is similar to Mac OS or the iPhone/Touch OS. All you need is to set brush width to do details. Did you look at the New Yorker covers? Are you an artist? Have you tried any of these apps? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
The problem is you can't *see* the detail you are drawing if you have a big fat finger trying to do it. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:17 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: YES, you CAN do that on an iPhone/Touch. iPad too? Probably. Don't need a stylus. I'd lose a stylus, and don't plan to lose my fingers any time soon. Yes, one can use their finger, but a stylus can provide for much finer lines, greater detail and more control if a tablet can provide such detail due to sensor design and attendant software. Quickly jotting down written notes is another good use for a stylus, with the stylus taking the place of a pencil or pen. However, the tablet must be designed for detailed drawing work... No it doesn't. It's in the software if the underlying system is similar to Mac OS or the iPhone/Touch OS. All you need is to set brush width to do details. Did you look at the New Yorker covers? Are you an artist? Have you tried any of these apps? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:17 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: No it doesn't. It's in the software if the underlying system is similar to Mac OS or the iPhone/Touch OS. All you need is to set brush width to do details. Okay. So, assuming that your fingertip is actually quite a bit wider than the stroke that you are trying to create, and you already have other strokes on screen immediately adjacent to where you are trying to work, and if your fingertip is obscuring those previous strokes, how can you see exactly what you are doing and where you are doing it? Did you look at the New Yorker covers? Are you an artist? Have you tried any of these apps? I have not tried any drawing using a tablet as small as an iPhone or iPad. And, I have only worked with a stylus having a fine tip, such as on a pencil. Yes, one can always set the stroke width, but with a nice stylus you can also see exactly where you are working relative to previous strokes or shapes that have been created. I am not trying to be argumentative at all. It is just that when I try to do some intricate freehand drawing, perhaps a number of fine parallel lines about 1 millimeter apart, I prefer to be able to see existing lines as i draw new ones. How can I see through my fingertip? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
The problem is you can't *see* the detail you are drawing if you have a big fat finger trying to do it. Use your little finger instead. You can see the detail with big or little fingers. Fat fingers? That's a cop-out. If you can draw, you can draw on an iPhone/Touch with any fingers. Try it. I have MyPaint, Fingerpaint and may buy Brushes. They're easy to use, but you need the same kind of skill to get good results as you would with a real paint brush. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:30 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is you can't *see* the detail you are drawing if you have a big fat finger trying to do it. Exactly, Mike. Seems like this aspect needs a lot of explaining to get across. This is, in part, why pencils were invented as opposed to using big chunks of sharpened charcoal to try and make fine detailed lines. It is already hard enough to do good drawing work in a small work area when said drawing needs to provide a lot of detail. This is where styli become almost necessary tools be they easily lost or not. Heck, good artist paint brushes are about the same price as many styli, can be about the same size and are lust as capable of becoming lost or misplaced. The likelihood of brushes to get lost has never been a reason not to make them or for artists not to use them. Steve Jobs is simply being unnecessarily obtuse in this matter. I do not think that anyone who uses a table for drawing would prefer their finger over a stylus if they are serious about drawing. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Apparently your good results and my good results are two different results. On Feb 14, 2010 1:27 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: The problem is you can't *see* the detail you are drawing if you have a big fat finger trying to... Use your little finger instead. You can see the detail with big or little fingers. Fat fingers? That's a cop-out. If you can draw, you can draw on an iPhone/Touch with any fingers. Try it. I have MyPaint, Fingerpaint and may buy Brushes. They're easy to use, but you need the same kind of skill to get good results as you would with a real paint brush. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:17 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Use your little finger instead. You can see the detail with big or little fingers. Fat fingers? That's a cop-out. If you can draw, you can draw on an iPhone/Touch with any fingers. Try it. I have MyPaint, Fingerpaint and may buy Brushes. They're easy to use, but you need the same kind of skill to get good results as you would with a real paint brush. No one is saying that you cannot draw with your fingers. Kids learn that in kindergarten. Drawing problem: You want to create, freehand, a square stippled area using tiny dots spaced 1 mm apart, 25 dots in width and 25 rows of them. Can this normally be done more accurately by most people, getting it closer to being correct the first time, with a finger or with a fine tipped stylus? Drawing problem: You need to draw some text, freehand, into a box that is 1/4 inch high by 2 inches long. Better results using a finger or using a fine stylus? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 14, 2010, at 3:22 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly, Mike. Seems like this aspect needs a lot of explaining to get across. This is, in part, why pencils were invented as opposed to using big chunks of sharpened charcoal to try and make fine detailed lines. All of this would be so much easier if they just would add a parallel port. Apple just doesn't get it. I'm starting an online petition. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] win7 to phone home - comments?
On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Andy Gallant wrote: While I certainly appreciate Microsoft's piracy problems, and the negative impact that these have both on the company and consumers, I believe that the approach represented by this kind of escalation on the part of Microsoft and others -- into what basically amounts to a perpetual anti-piracy surveillance regime embedded within already purchased consumer equipment -- is entirely unacceptable. Entirely consistent. This is exactly what Robert Mugabe, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Il-sung, Omar al-Bashir, or even Joe Stalin would do in a similar situation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Yeah, Tom draws with a parallel port all the time. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:10 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 14, 2010, at 3:22 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly, Mike. Seems like this aspect needs a lot of explaining to get across. This is, in part, why pencils were invented as opposed to using big chunks of sharpened charcoal to try and make fine detailed lines. All of this would be so much easier if they just would add a parallel port. Apple just doesn't get it. I'm starting an online petition. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] win7 to phone home - comments?
I didn't realize participating in Stalin's or Mugabe's regimes was voluntary, who knew? You cheapen real terror with your silliness. All this does is make those who don't know better that these idiots weren't real villains, or perhaps it's just that you don't know it. Take your Che tshirt off and try studying a little history, macboy. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 2:06 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 11, 2010, at 2:06 PM, Andy Gallant wrote: While I certainly appreciate Microsoft's piracy problems, and the negative impact that these have both on the company and consumers, I believe that the approach represented by this kind of escalation on the part of Microsoft and others -- into what basically amounts to a perpetual anti-piracy surveillance regime embedded within already purchased consumer equipment -- is entirely unacceptable. Entirely consistent. This is exactly what Robert Mugabe, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Kim Il-sung, Omar al-Bashir, or even Joe Stalin would do in a similar situation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 4:10 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: All of this would be so much easier if they just would add a parallel port. Apple just doesn't get it. A parallel port has no bearing whatsoever on this discussion. Steve Jobs said that he wants to see fingers used on his portable devices for pointing purposes as opposed to using a stylus, thus he shuns the stylus and refuses to provide one even though he could make more money were he to do so. Jobs has publicly stated that the finger is the best pointing tool in the world. Maybe, sometimes. Other times, many find a laser pointer to be superior or even a stick. It all depends upon the circumstances and upon what one is trying to do. One size does not necessarily fit all. Pointing with your finger is not the same as drawing with your finger. Jobs was talking about pointing in order to select icons, etc. He never spoke to the question of whether or not a finger was as useful as a stylus for drawing purposes because he is not concerned about, nor does he appear to care about folks who might want to draw using his tablets. However, as previously noted, Apple may well go the stylus route anyway even if that means that Mr. Jobs has to eventually eat his words. But wait! Does God ever eat his or her words? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 4:44 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 14, 2010, at 3:55 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Drawing problem: You want to create, freehand, a square stippled area using tiny dots spaced 1 mm apart, 25 dots in width and 25 rows of them. Can this normally be done more accurately by most people, getting it closer to being correct the first time, with a finger or with a fine tipped stylus? Neither. No one with a brain would do this freehand. This is really a invalid response. The question was not whether the person doing the drawing had a brain or did not have a brain. No one was talking about brains. The question was how best to, working freehand, brainless or not, place a series of very closely spaced dots fairly accurately, using a tablet. Drawings do not have to present mathematically precise elements except in certain instances. Most hand rendered drawings do not. Do you have something against using computers to produce hand rendered drawings? Do you think all drawing done on computers should only use strictly mathematical input to create strokes and shapes? How about a nice command line only drawing application? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:55 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: Drawing problem: You need to draw some text, freehand, into a box that is 1/4 inch high by 2 inches long. Better results using a finger or using a fine stylus? I don't know if you realize it, but you are arguing for a large set of stylus/styli, just as an artist would have a large set of brushed for different purposes. You need: - a range of stiffness, from soft and bendy to fairly solid - a range of fineness, from blunt to superfine etc. What others are arguing, is that the physical nature of painting with a brush, or drawing with a range of pens and pencils, can be duplicated using a computer to change the characteristics of the single drawing implement you use. And therefore, the implement doesn't matter that much. You need something 5 microns away from something else? Change the scale to be microns or sub-microns and draw it that way. (Substitute inches or millimeters or whatever you want for microns.) Unless your fingers are, like Homer Simpson's, too fat to dial the phone. P.S. Your only real hope to convince someone is to say I don't like using X, I like using Y, and there is nothing else to say. P.P.S. Especially when there are artists who draw very detailed drawings on an iPhone with their fingers. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
example? On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:41 PM, John DeCarlo johndeca...@gmail.com wrote: P.P.S. Especially when there are artists who draw very detailed drawings on an iPhone with their fingers. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:41 PM, John DeCarlo johndeca...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know if you realize it, but you are arguing for a large set of stylus/styli, just as an artist would have a large set of brushed for different purposes. Not at all. A fine tipped stylus can draw heavy lines by manipulating the software settings. I'd rather use a drawing implement, finger or stylus, that is shaped more like a pencil than to use one that is shaped more like a hotdog wiener. That way, you can draw lines, heavy or light, while being able to see exactly what you are doing while the weiner sized device will obscure your vision for all except lines that are nearly as bold as the wiener is wide. Why is this so hard to visualize? What others are arguing, is that the physical nature of painting with a brush, or drawing with a range of pens and pencils, can be duplicated using a computer to change the characteristics of the single drawing implement you use. I fully comprehend that. But why choose a larger, blunt instrument for drawing that obscures portions of the drawing as it is being worked upon? Why is that being perceived as superior to being able to clearly see where you are working? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
The problem is you can't *see* the detail you are drawing if you have a big fat finger trying to do it. Exactly, Mike. Seems like this aspect needs a lot of explaining to get across. This is, in part, why pencils were invented as opposed to using big chunks of sharpened charcoal to try and make fine detailed lines. It is already hard enough to do good drawing work in a small work area when said drawing needs to provide a lot of detail. This is where styli become almost necessary tools be they easily lost or not. Heck, good artist paint brushes are about the same price as many styli, In art school we did thousands of charcoal drawings, some with charcoal pencils, some with small blocks of charcoal. The only time we ever used a stylus was for sculpture or to remove the ink layer that covered colored wax. You can create minute details using pieces of charcoal. Michelangelo did OK with his charcoal drawings. [Forgot...we'd find a stylus to clean our fingernails after using clay.] Cheap artists' brushes start about $4 each or so. I have too many sables that cost well over $10--each--some over $30. Brushes for oil or acrylic sometimes cost more than watercolor brushes, but don't often last as long because they're harder to clean. The bundles of brushes at discount are cheap and don't last. Quality brushes will last for years. One of the good things about calligraphy was using the cheap bamboo brushes, but fine sable brushes are very expensive. Fat fingers are no excuse. You can either draw, or you can't draw. No big deal. No excuses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Still waiting for that example of fine brush work on an iphone.. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:51 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Fat fingers are no excuse. You can either draw, or you can't draw. No big deal. No excuses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
I find this all too impossible to follow. If I remember correctly a stylus is unusable on the ipad (if it has a touch screen like an Iphone) You must use finger contact. One of my members has a Blackberry Storm and she cannot use it with gloves, must be a finger touch. Stewart At 06:51 PM 2/14/2010, you wrote: In art school we did thousands of charcoal drawings, some with charcoal pencils, some with small blocks of charcoal. The only time we ever used a stylus was for sculpture or to remove the ink layer that covered colored wax. You can create minute details using pieces of charcoal. Michelangelo did OK with his charcoal drawings. [Forgot...we'd find a stylus to clean our fingernails after using clay.] Cheap artists' brushes start about $4 each or so. I have too many sables that cost well over $10--each--some over $30. Brushes for oil or acrylic sometimes cost more than watercolor brushes, but don't often last as long because they're harder to clean. The bundles of brushes at discount are cheap and don't last. Quality brushes will last for years. One of the good things about calligraphy was using the cheap bamboo brushes, but fine sable brushes are very expensive. Fat fingers are no excuse. You can either draw, or you can't draw. No big deal. No excuses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:51 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Fat fingers are no excuse. You can either draw, or you can't draw. No big deal. No excuses. Well, an iPhone has a screen resolution of 480×320 pixels, with a display of 163ppi. Not much to work with there to begin with. Certainly not an artist's platform of preference unless one is just interested in seeing how far they can take such a small canvas with limited capabilities. Clearly not for anything serious. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Quoting John DeCarlo johndeca...@gmail.com: On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 3:55 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: Drawing problem: You need to draw some text, freehand, into a box that is 1/4 inch high by 2 inches long. Better results using a finger or using a fine stylus? [ . . ] What others are arguing, is that the physical nature of painting with a brush, or drawing with a range of pens and pencils, can be duplicated using a computer to change the characteristics of the single drawing implement you use. And I think what Steve is arguing (originally) is, if you want to, say, paint some freckles on a face, it's really kinda hard to do with a big fat finger and not get them places they don't belong. Of course you can draw a variety of different sized strokes in software, you can just do it easier with a finer pointing device. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Quoting b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es: Michelangelo did OK with his charcoal drawings. [Forgot...we'd find a stylus to clean our fingernails after using clay.] That may be, but he *wasn't* using an iPad. Fat fingers are no excuse. You can either draw, or you can't draw. No big deal. No excuses. I most definitely fall into the not-so-much category. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
This is true, a stylus really can't be employed. I think the larger point is Betty thinks you can draw fine detail with a finger, and those of us who have tried are just saying you can get FINER detail from a pointier object like a stylus. Betty's NY'er covers are examples of what you can get with your fat finger, haven't seen anything with fine detail yet. On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: I find this all too impossible to follow. If I remember correctly a stylus is unusable on the ipad (if it has a touch screen like an Iphone) You must use finger contact. One of my members has a Blackberry Storm and she cannot use it with gloves, must be a finger touch. Stewart At 06:51 PM 2/14/2010, you wrote: In art school we did thousands of charcoal drawings, some with charcoal pencils, some with small blocks of charcoal. The only time we ever used a stylus was for sculpture or to remove the ink layer that covered colored wax. You can create minute details using pieces of charcoal. Michelangelo did OK with his charcoal drawings. [Forgot...we'd find a stylus to clean our fingernails after using clay.] Cheap artists' brushes start about $4 each or so. I have too many sables that cost well over $10--each--some over $30. Brushes for oil or acrylic sometimes cost more than watercolor brushes, but don't often last as long because they're harder to clean. The bundles of brushes at discount are cheap and don't last. Quality brushes will last for years. One of the good things about calligraphy was using the cheap bamboo brushes, but fine sable brushes are very expensive. Fat fingers are no excuse. You can either draw, or you can't draw. No big deal. No excuses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:06 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Still waiting for that example of fine brush work on an iphone.. I know that tjpa gets annoyed with people who can't use Google, but I don't mind. If you check through these first couple of results from a search like art on iPhone, you will see some that require lots of precision, along with many that are more impressionistic. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/picture-galleries/5559769/Amazing-iPhone-Art.html http://www.wired.com/gadgets/wireless/news/2009/02/submissions_iphone_art And there are plenty more results you can find, if you are at all interested. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
This is where styli become almost necessary tools be they easily lost or not. This business of One of the reasons why we don't support a stylus is that it can be lost is so ridiculous that I have to wonder if he even really said it, or if that's what he really meant. Maybe it was just an off-the-cuff remark that he made without thinking. However you slice it, it makes no sense. If the stylus gets lost, then you are only falling back to what they're providing now. It's not like the thing is going to explode. Those who don't lose their styli have greater capabilities; those who do, have, well, iPads. By this logic, they shouldn't be selling iPads at all. They can be lost. We should all be restricted to walking, since cars and bikes can break down or be stolen. (And all this is not to mention that it is technically feasible to purchase a new stylus.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] COMPUTERGUYS-L Digest - 14 Feb 2010 - Special issue (#2010-106)
Do a Google search with the phrase stylus for iphone and you'll see the possibilities. There are gloves made with conductive finger tips for people like your parishioner. YMMV I find this all too impossible to follow. If I remember correctly a stylus is unusable on the ipad (if it has a touch screen like an Iphone) You must use finger contact. One of my members has a Blackberry Storm and she cannot use it with gloves, must be a finger touch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] New SIM, but improved?
On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:06 AM, mike wrote: I read fine, Mark. I don't think you fully understand the subject. You are talking about component feature sizes..fine, take to another thread, This thread is only for those who agree with Mike or so says Mike. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Try reading the thread again, have someone sound out the big words for you, get back to us when you figure out what is going on. On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:21 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:06 AM, mike wrote: I read fine, Mark. I don't think you fully understand the subject. You are talking about component feature sizes..fine, take to another thread, This thread is only for those who agree with Mike or so says Mike. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 14, 2010, at 8:10 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Well, an iPhone has a screen resolution of 480×320 pixels, with a display of 163ppi. Not much to work with there to begin with. Certainly not an artist's platform of preference unless one is just interested in seeing how far they can take such a small canvas with limited capabilities. Clearly not for anything serious. Well clearly, a cover for the New Yorker is not at all serious. Actually, the only thing serious in this discussion is your utter lack of imagination. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 14, 2010, at 8:06 PM, mike wrote: Still waiting for that example of fine brush work on an iphone.. There goes Mike again. Of course the examples you provided don't count. Nor will any others you provide. Some folks are stuck on doing certain tasks in one particular way and won't admit that there is any possibility of innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
You're not the only one confused, Rev. Reid started this thread with this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=518XP8prwZo which is a video of a woman on Ukraine's Got Talent creating some amazing sand art USING ONLY HER HANDS. Then Steve goes on a tangent saying that the iPad is not suitable for artistic use because it doesn't support the use of a stylus, and the discussion going around in circles over that issue ever since. Look at the video. It is very believable to me that the iPad would be able to do something approximating what that woman did. There is already a pretty basic sand art simulator, iSand http://www.chrome-fusion.com/blog/apple/isand-iphone-sand-art-simulator/ which ought to scale up to the iPad (and use more than one finger) pretty easily. As to the level of detail you can get with just your fingers, do a Google image search of Sketchbook Mobile and look at some of the examples. According to what I've just read, this app handles the problem of your finger obstructing your view with a special offset mode, which strikes me as a very neat and simple solution. On Feb 14, 2010, at 8:06 PM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad? I find this all too impossible to follow. If I remember correctly a stylus is unusable on the ipad (if it has a touch screen like an Iphone) You must use finger contact. One of my members has a Blackberry Storm and she cannot use it with gloves, must be a finger touch. Stewart At 06:51 PM 2/14/2010, you wrote: In art school we did thousands of charcoal drawings, some with charcoal pencils, some with small blocks of charcoal. The only time we ever used a stylus was for sculpture or to remove the ink layer that covered colored wax. You can create minute details using pieces of charcoal. Michelangelo did OK with his charcoal drawings. [Forgot...we'd find a stylus to clean our fingernails after using clay.] Cheap artists' brushes start about $4 each or so. I have too many sables that cost well over $10--each--some over $30. Brushes for oil or acrylic sometimes cost more than watercolor brushes, but don't often last as long because they're harder to clean. The bundles of brushes at discount are cheap and don't last. Quality brushes will last for years. One of the good things about calligraphy was using the cheap bamboo brushes, but fine sable brushes are very expensive. Fat fingers are no excuse. You can either draw, or you can't draw. No big deal. No excuses. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 14, 2010, at 8:06 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: One of my members has a Blackberry Storm and she cannot use it with gloves, must be a finger touch. There are gloves specifically made for the purpose. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: By this logic, they shouldn't be selling iPads at all. They can be lost. There you hit the nail on the head. According to out WFBs Apple should not be selling anything. They just can't wait to lap up the Zune Pad. It will of course have a stylus and a parallel port. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
I know, I keep letting silly things like facts and actual examples get in the way... On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 8:01 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Feb 14, 2010, at 8:06 PM, mike wrote: Still waiting for that example of fine brush work on an iphone.. There goes Mike again. Of course the examples you provided don't count. Nor will any others you provide. Some folks are stuck on doing certain tasks in one particular way and won't admit that there is any possibility of innovation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Yeah, but can you do *this* on an iPad?
Still waiting for that example of fine brush work on an iphone.. These are painting programs. Some fine results - http://www.flickr.com/groups/brushes/, http://www.flickr.com/photos/fhierro/ For straight lines you calculate point locations and other geometric shapes--use equations not brushes, with vector drawing programs not painting programs. I used to do a lot of my drawings in Freehand by locating and connecting points, and indicating elevation by degrees, curves with equations or bezier curves. That's why I liked FreeHand and hated Illustrator. With FreeHand, I could use math for complicated technical drawings, or drawing tools to draw pictures 'freehand'. Much more difficult to get good results in Illustrator. Illustrator didn't even use common technical terms that had been used for years. They invented new names for common actions. FreeHand didn't, until it was ported to a less artistic environment and killed. Are there any good vector-based drawing--not painting--programs for the iPhone? --Intaglio, Paintbook, ZeptoDraw, iPocket Draw? Otherwise, try pen and ink, paint, pencil, charcoal, paper, papyrus, canvas, XActo knife - the real stuff! [especially the knives] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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