Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
And this is comparable to visually spying on children in their bedrooms how? I think you're trying to compare apples with oranges here. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Mar 9, 2010, at 4:28 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 6:21 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: This is beginning to sound like a school IT department with way to much time on it's hands. Conversely, there is this current situation in Montgomery County, MD at Churchill High School where a student or students installed keylogging software on computers used by teachers. They did that in order to obtain passwords to school system computers that they then accessed to enhance the grades of about 60 classmates, perhaps for money. What do we have here? Students interested in computer technology for the purposes of using that knowledge for criminal activity? Or, was this all just a prank, and the kids were going to 'fess up when their report cards came out? I seriously doubt that would have happened. Various students who have been interviewed said that they all feel so much pressure from both parents as well as school officials to excel to extreme degrees that it is not surprising that some students would resort to such behavior. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
Sure, but this ignore the discussion in the Ars article of the penalty: RMW (read, modify, write). Quoting from the Ars article: And so it was that last September (and it's this that makes it a little surprising that the BBC and other outlets are talking about the issue now, but it's one that certainly deserves the publicity), Western Digital announced its Advanced Format drives. Advanced Format drives use the 4096-byte sectors, 100-byte error codes, and a 40-byte gap as described above. However, to maintain compatibility with Windows XP, they pretend to use 512-byte sectors. As can be seen from the spec sheet (the drives with 64 MiB cache, model numbers ending in AARS or EARS) all use 4096 byte sectors internally) the sector counts even for the 2 TB drives are high; the 2 TB disk having just shy of 4 billion sectors. This kind of deceit is a problem if software tries to write less than 4096 bytes at a time. To write 512 bytes out of 4096, the drive must read all 4096, update the 512 written bytes, and then write back all 4096 bytes (a process known as read-modify-write, RMW). That means more seeking and more disk activity, which is clearly going to perform worse than a 512 byte write on an old drive with true 512 byte sectors. But this isn't such a problem since, as already mentioned, most disk activity occurs in multiples of 4096 bytes anyway. When writing 4096 bytes, the RMW cycle isn't needed, as there's no need to read data if it's going to be overwritten anyway, so the performance impact is negligible. The biggest problem is when the 4096 byte write straddles two sectors. When that happens, the situation is even worse as two RMW cycles are needed, one for each partially-written sector. However, as long as the partition starts on sector boundary, almost all subsequent writes will-due to the OS's widespread use of 4096 byte writes-line up properly, so they won't straddle multiple sectors and won't need read-modify-writes. And as luck would have it, the most widely used operating system in the world will always create partitions that don't line up nicely. Single partition Windows XP systems will always make the first partition start on the 63rd 512 byte sector. If it was just one sector further on, then everything would line up nicely on these pseudo-512 byte sector drives. But as it is, Windows XP partitions on such a disk will have to suffer two RMW operations for almost every single write made to the disk. This is mitigated somewhat by many operations being multiples of 4096 bytes, so it's only at the start and end of each operation that the read-modify-write is needed, but nonetheless the overhead is substantial. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- The 512-byte sectors are emulated. That's what the OS sees. Physically, they're 4K sectors. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
This kind of deceit is a problem if software tries to write less than 4096 bytes at a time. Yes, but NTFS uses 4K clusters. To the best of my knowledge, it never writes 512-byte sectors. (And even if it did, the vast majority of writes in typical use would tend to be large--only the last, partial block would be small.) And as luck would have it, the most widely used operating system in the world will always create partitions that don't line up nicely. Single partition Windows XP systems will always make the first partition start on the 63rd 512 byte sector. If it was just one sector further on, then everything would line up nicely on these pseudo-512 byte sector drives. That's precisely what the jumper settings/utility rectify. They transparently move the partition start from the 63rd sector to the 64th sector. XP never knows that the sectors are not physically located where it thinks they are. So, both of these are non-issues. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:04 AM, Art Clemons artclem...@aol.com wrote: If the lawyers involved haven't already gotten all of the pictures involved, I'ld be heartily shocked. Discovery is a tricky thing, but somehow something as major as the webcam photo wouldn't be missed in a suit, no matter how collegial the process is. Oh, I agree with you. Perhaps the photo has been provided to the plaintiffs at this point, or perhaps the photo is no longer available as the school system had no policy related to retention of data. however, I am sure that the parents saw the photo back in November of 2009 when they met with the Vice Principal of the school to discuss the charges that their son was involved in drug useer, actually candy use. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
Chris, you misunderstand RMW. Your jumper setting does not get around it. Bliss-based ignorance. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Chris Dunford Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 7:26 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess This kind of deceit is a problem if software tries to write less than 4096 bytes at a time. Yes, but NTFS uses 4K clusters. To the best of my knowledge, it never writes 512-byte sectors. (And even if it did, the vast majority of writes in typical use would tend to be large--only the last, partial block would be small.) And as luck would have it, the most widely used operating system in the world will always create partitions that don't line up nicely. Single partition Windows XP systems will always make the first partition start on the 63rd 512 byte sector. If it was just one sector further on, then everything would line up nicely on these pseudo-512 byte sector drives. That's precisely what the jumper settings/utility rectify. They transparently move the partition start from the 63rd sector to the 64th sector. XP never knows that the sectors are not physically located where it thinks they are. So, both of these are non-issues. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
Read what I wrote. 1.5 are at that price level. I never said 2 TB are not here. But right now they are at a premium price. I saw a 1.5 TB drive advertised for $99.00 so I expect 2 TB drives to be at that price by next year. There is a price mark that determines how much those drives will sell. Stewart At 05:08 AM 3/12/2010, you wrote: In the 3.5 format, 2 TB disk drives are already here. Here is a review for one model: http://www.storagereview.com/seagate_constellation_es_2tb_review Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Right now 1.5 TB drives are at the price level to make them a consumer level drive. Within a year 2 TB drives will be there. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
Chris, you misunderstand RMW. Your jumper setting does not get around it. Bliss-based ignorance. I understand RMW perfectly well, thank you. You are not paying attention, apparently. There are two issues. 1. There is a performance penalty for writes of 4K due to RMW. But, as the very article you quoted notes, this isn't much of a problem since most I/Os are 4K anyway. (In fact, it's my understanding that -all- NTFS writes are 4K, since that's the NTFS cluster size--but I haven't been able to find confirmation of that this morning.) 2. RMW comes heavily into play when an I/O straddles two 4K sectors. This is problem for XP because it places the first sector of the primary partition at sector 63, which would mean that -all- 4K I/Os straddle sectors. But what you do not seem to understand is that either the jumper settings or the disk utility fix this permanently by PHYSICALLY MOVING the first sector to sector 64. This issue goes away, completely and forever. It is a dead issue. It has gone to join the choir eternal. So, contrary to your assertion, the jumper settings do indeed get around it, and the bliss-based ignorance is not on this end of the conversation. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
Okay, you are talking pricing. Got it. My posts were a bit more general, so I was not thinking (or writing) about prices. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Read what I wrote. 1.5 are at that price level. I never said 2 TB are not here. But right now they are at a premium price. I saw a 1.5 TB drive advertised for $99.00 so I expect 2 TB drives to be at that price by next year. There is a price mark that determines how much those drives will sell. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
On Mar 11, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: You have a point but only because Apple has made the old hardware obsolete. Macs stay in service far longer than PCs. You know that. Why introduce a red herring? Please stay honest and don't go for debating points. This is a software problem in the OS. The only reason hardware is involved is because the M$ won't fix their software. So the hardware vendors have to use Rube Goldberg methods to work around the problem. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
On Mar 11, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: The 512-byte sectors are emulated. That's what the OS sees. Physically, they're 4K sectors. And you can't see that this is an awful kluge? Hardware vendors should not have to go Rube Goldberg to work around a mess created my the operating system vendor. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:35 AM, mike wrote: I thought macs stayed in service longer than PC's? They do, but Mac users keep their OSs up to date because Apple charges a reasonable upgrade fee and the upgrade is easy to install. Mac owners are never faced with formatting their drives just to upgrade their OS. In fact, the latest OS versions don't even offer format and instal as an option. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:40 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Well, okay then. If you prefer the UNtinyurl, here it is. I was just trying to be helpful. I feel better getting the full URL. This is not a brilliant move by the FCC. It is just ordinary smartness. It only looks brilliant because the FCC and other agencies have been so badly run in the past. Take a look at Recovery.gov for another example of smart. You can enter your zip code and get a very nice map of your neighborhood that shows where Recovery money is being spent. There are color coded dots for different kinds of projects. You can click on the dots to get details on the who got the money, how much, an estimate of jobs created, etc. The map is even better than Google's. Government only works poorly when it is run by wing nuts who hate America. They put tremendous effort into making government fail to serve the people. In my book they are traitors and terrorists. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
Except much of that money shows up in zip codes or counties that don't exist. No, not all of it...but a lot. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 8:10 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:40 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Well, okay then. If you prefer the UNtinyurl, here it is. I was just trying to be helpful. I feel better getting the full URL. This is not a brilliant move by the FCC. It is just ordinary smartness. It only looks brilliant because the FCC and other agencies have been so badly run in the past. Take a look at Recovery.gov for another example of smart. You can enter your zip code and get a very nice map of your neighborhood that shows where Recovery money is being spent. There are color coded dots for different kinds of projects. You can click on the dots to get details on the who got the money, how much, an estimate of jobs created, etc. The map is even better than Google's. Government only works poorly when it is run by wing nuts who hate America. They put tremendous effort into making government fail to serve the people. In my book they are traitors and terrorists. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
And you can't see that this is an awful kluge? Hardware vendors should not have to go Rube Goldberg to work around a mess created my the operating system vendor. Did I see something moving out of the corner of my eye? Ah, yes, it's the goalposts again. Your post was about what a horrible fix all six people who plan to install huge new AF drives on old XP boxes are going to be in. They will take a big performance hit. They are to be left high and dry, etc. It is a disaster! Well, now that this turns out to be wrong, suddenly the real issue isn't that XP users are screwed, it's that it's a kluge. Why am I not surprised? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
Except much of that money shows up in zip codes or counties that don't exist. No, not all of it...but a lot. Mike, can you quantify this? How much is much? You're sorta making it sound like most of the money shown on the site is bogus. I'm not clear on your thinking here--are you saying that the map is intentionally bogus, or that much of the money shown on the map isn't real, or that the web site is poorly managed, or what? It's worth noting, by the way, that recovery.gov's map is based on reports submitted by the recipients of the loans, grants, and contracts, so it's subject to errors in those reports (as well as to data entry errors, of course). And, since there's no penalty for failing to file the required report, there is in all likelihood a lot of money that isn't on the map at all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
I'm not blasting the Obama government on this, just government waste in general. Kinda like the 70k? plus in debit cards that disappeared during katrina. You can google zip codes don't exist recovery.gov and hit multiple sites about the problem. Some is probably simple paperwork etc...but if we are honest there are pallets of money literally (remember iraq) that disappear. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Except much of that money shows up in zip codes or counties that don't exist. No, not all of it...but a lot. Mike, can you quantify this? How much is much? You're sorta making it sound like most of the money shown on the site is bogus. I'm not clear on your thinking here--are you saying that the map is intentionally bogus, or that much of the money shown on the map isn't real, or that the web site is poorly managed, or what? It's worth noting, by the way, that recovery.gov's map is based on reports submitted by the recipients of the loans, grants, and contracts, so it's subject to errors in those reports (as well as to data entry errors, of course). And, since there's no penalty for failing to file the required report, there is in all likelihood a lot of money that isn't on the map at all. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
With all the protections I have these days (UAC, Spybot immunize, safe browsing warnings, etc), I don't feel the need for this, but if you must you can see where these shortened links go before you click on them. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8636 . Equivalents available in other browsers too. TinyURLs always give me the heebies. You can *claim* it's for Something Wonderful when the TinyURL actually points to something nefarious. You need an add-on for this? As Art said, for tinyurl.com, you add preview for preview.tinyurl.com. Or go to http://untiny.me/ and insert the shortened URL. I use http://is.gd which needs only an ending hypen to get a preview, as in http://is.gd/amyeC- . Is.gd is easy to remember and easy to type too Thank goodness for tiny countries like Grenada and Tuvalu to give us these domains--can they profit from this?. BTW, Art's URL example, http://tinyurl.com/X gets you to a real site for unicycling. Are shortened URLs really that scary??? BOOO! What's the real risk that Something Wonderful turns out to be not so wonderful? Close the window. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
On 03/12/2010 04:13 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: And this is comparable to visually spying on children in their bedrooms how? I think you're trying to compare apples with oranges here. You are assuming something here, something which none of the parties in the legal dispute seem to be claiming, namely that the webcam and tracking software was activated to spy on students. What source for this claim can you offer? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
On Mar 12, 2010, at 12:09 PM, mike wrote: I'm not blasting the Obama government on this, just government waste in general. Kinda like the 70k? plus in debit cards that disappeared during katrina. ...but if we are honest there are pallets of money literally (remember iraq) that disappear. But that was wing nuts driving around with palettes of $100s. I would have thought you would be for that. An efficient redistribution of wealth to those who are already wealthy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Twist in school spying scandal
Quoting Art Clemons artclem...@aol.com: On 03/12/2010 04:13 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: And this is comparable to visually spying on children in their bedrooms how? I think you're trying to compare apples with oranges here. You are assuming something here, something which none of the parties in the legal dispute seem to be claiming, namely that the webcam and tracking software was activated to spy on students. What source for this claim can you offer? How about: They have a picture of a student, upon which, they spied? Just as a side note, assuming they probably had a pretty good idea who *might* have had the laptop, couldn't they just call the 'rents and *ask* if Jr. had the thing? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
The difference is I think they are all wingnuts, you only think half are. On Mar 12, 2010 11:29 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Mar 12, 2010, at 12:09 PM, mike wrote: I'm not blasting the Obama government on this, just government waste in general. Kinda like t... katrina. ...but if we are honest there are pallets of money literally (remember iraq) that disappear. But that was wing nuts driving around with palettes of $100s. I would have thought you would be for that. An efficient redistribution of wealth to those who are already wealthy. * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure
Wingnuts of any kind are still wingnuts. Let them just fly away. Stewart At 12:22 PM 3/12/2010, you wrote: On Mar 12, 2010, at 12:09 PM, mike wrote: I'm not blasting the Obama government on this, just government waste in general. Kinda like the 70k? plus in debit cards that disappeared during katrina. ...but if we are honest there are pallets of money literally (remember iraq) that disappear. But that was wing nuts driving around with palettes of $100s. I would have thought you would be for that. An efficient redistribution of wealth to those who are already wealthy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? On 3/12/10, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: With all the protections I have these days (UAC, Spybot immunize, safe etc. Are shortened URLs really that scary??? BOOO! What's the real risk that Something Wonderful turns out to be not so wonderful? Close the window. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Twitter and rick-rolls! On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:06 PM, John Emmerling jpemmerl...@gmail.comwrote: Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? On 3/12/10, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: With all the protections I have these days (UAC, Spybot immunize, safe etc. Are shortened URLs really that scary??? BOOO! What's the real risk that Something Wonderful turns out to be not so wonderful? Close the window. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] CPCUG EC SIG: Windows 7 w/ Mark Mabee, Mar. 20, 2010
=== Register for this FREE Event via e-mail to bc...@cpcug.org === Capital PC User Group (CPCUG) Entrepreneurs and Consultants Special Interest Group (EC SIG) (Meets the 3rd Saturday of most months) CLEVELAND PARK LIBRARY, 1st Floor, Large Meeting Room 3310 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Washington, DC ** Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:45-3:15 pm MICROSOFT WINDOWS 7 OPERATING SYSTEM Speaker: Mark Mabee, IT Network Pro Microsoft released its Windows 7 operating system in October 2009. Did all the release candidate features make it into the final product? Is now the time for you to get a new computer with Windows 7, or does the new operating system have more bugs than you have time to deal with? Can you look forward to using Windows 7 effortlessly after suffering through or working around the Microsoft Vista operating system? Is it true that some of the features of Windows 7 make it more like a Mac in appearance and functionality? Join us on Saturday, March 20, 2010, as long-time CPCUG member Mark Mabee demonstrates Windows 7 and investigates its capabilities. Bring your questions. Using Windows 7 now? Join us and share your experiences. Speaker: Mark Mabee, an IT network professional, is a long-time member of CPCUG. He has been the featured presenter at a number of CPCUG events and has handled technical questions during pre-presentation QA sessions at other events. Mark uses both PCs and Macs. * Cleveland Park Library, 1st Floor, Large Meeting Room 3310 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Washington, DC (west side, between Macomb and Newark Streets) Metrorail: Cleveland Park Subway Station Red Line Connecticut Avenue, NW Just 1.5 blocks north of meeting site Parking: Street For additional Information about the CPCUG EC SIG and its events (including any updates on topics, speakers, dates, times, and locations; agenda; area map; related Web links; and more), visit the CPCUG Entrepreneurs and Consultants SIG Web pages-- http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/ These events are FREE and open to all. Advance RSVPs are requested for event planning and to let registrants know about any change in event date, location, topic, or speaker. To RSVP: Send e-mail to Barbara Conn, bc...@cpcug.org ** Saturday, March 20, 2010, 12:45-3:15 pm MICROSOFT WINDOWS 7 OPERATING SYSTEM Speaker: Mark Mabee, IT Network Pro http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/310meet.html ** Dates/Times of Future Meetings: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 1:00-3:15 pm TECH OPTIONS FOR MOBILE BUSINESS: Smartphones, Netbooks, Accessories, Plans, Software, Services, and More Speaker: Rob Pegoraro, _The Washington Post_ Saturday, May 15, 2010, 1:00-3:15 pm INTERNET LAW FOR YOUR PROFESSIONAL ONLINE PRESENCE Joy Butler, Attorney, Author, and Principal Sashay Communications Saturday, June 19, 2010, 1:00-3:15 pm Topic and Speaker: To Be Announced *** Barbara Connbc...@cpcug.org Capital PC User Group (CPCUG) Users Helping Users Chair, CPCUG Entrepreneurs and Consultants SIG http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/ *** CONENT-D: CPCUG Entrepreneurs and Consultants SIG list for event announcements and discussion of business, technology, and computer hardware and software selection, setup, installation, maintenance, and upgrade (usually low volume) To subscribe: http://entrepreneur.cpcug.org/index.html#listsub *** CPCUG EC SIG Registration for FREE Events: Send e-mail to bc...@cpcug.org *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Finding icons
I am looking for some icons to use on a web page to designate pdf formatted documents and word formatted (RTF) documents. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
At 3:06 PM -0500 3/12/10, John Emmerling wrote: Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I think the URL-shortning service became popular when Twitter, with its 140-character limit on message size, took off in popularity. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Actually I think it came about to ease the problem of urls breaking in emails. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Roger D. Parish rogerd.par...@gmail.comwrote: At 3:06 PM -0500 3/12/10, John Emmerling wrote: Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I think the URL-shortning service became popular when Twitter, with its 140-character limit on message size, took off in popularity. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Finding icons
www.wincustomize.com try there On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: I am looking for some icons to use on a web page to designate pdf formatted documents and word formatted (RTF) documents. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Yup it is a little older than Twitter. It came about when url's tended to be a little wordy. Stewart At 04:11 PM 3/12/2010, you wrote: Actually I think it came about to ease the problem of urls breaking in emails. On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Roger D. Parish rogerd.par...@gmail.comwrote: At 3:06 PM -0500 3/12/10, John Emmerling wrote: Today, I think anybody can be excused for being paranoid. _Esp._ with respect to wide-open domains like .tv. What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I think the URL-shortning service became popular when Twitter, with its 140-character limit on message size, took off in popularity. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
John Emmerling wrote: What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? I'm using Mozilla Thunderbird for email. Very long web addresses are broken when they wrap around to the next line. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] M$'s HD Mess
On Mar 12, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Well, now that this turns out to be wrong, suddenly the real issue isn't that XP users are screwed, it's that it's a kluge. The real issue has been in the subject line all along. It is still true. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
On 03/12/2010 03:06 PM, John Emmerling wrote: What real purpose does tinyurl really serve nowadays? Don't up-to-date mail readers handle URLs of any arbitrary length with no problem? No, they don't, in fact many wrap at 72 characters. Actually tinyurls and similar services can be safer with preview features than a supposed safe looking URL with a hidden link. Of course the safest approach is not to click on links from folks you do not know. I suggest that few have gotten burned either with a tinyurl or the entire link on this list regardless of how adversarial things become. Besides once someone on this list does burn others, that individual's reputation is shot, so if for example I use some browser like links or turn off script running in browsers and only use non-privileged accounts with browsers any threat is limited indeed. My habit of using Linux also makes things aimed at Windows weaknesses less of a problem too. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Are Macs Really Cheaper To Manage Than PCs? - CIO.com
Does I'm a Mac mean I'm less expensive to manage? An Enterprise Desktop Alliance survey says Macs cost a lot less than PCs to manage -- yet Macs come with special challenges for enterprise IT admins. By Tom Kaneshige March 08, 2010 — CIO — Macs in the enterprise aren't just cheaper to manage—they're a lot cheaper, according to a new survey released today by the Enterprise Desktop Alliance. Keep in mind that Enterprise Desktop Alliance is a group of software developers who've bandied together to deploy and manage Macs in the enterprise. The group surveyed 260 IT administrators in large U.S. companies with both Macs and PCs who are involved in some degree with IT cost calculations. Enterprise Desktop Alliance members include Centrify, Absolute Software, Group Logic, Web Help Desk, and most recently IBM. [ Another Enterprise Desktop Alliance survey shows two out of three companies buying Macs this year, which will bring integration challenges for IT admins, CIO.com reports. ] The survey found that Macs were cheaper in six of seven computer management categories: troubleshooting, help desk calls, system configuration, user training and supporting infrastructure (servers, networks and printer). Nearly half of the respondents cited software licensing fees as roughly the same for both platforms. A whopping 65 percent of respondents said it costs less to troubleshoot Macs than PCs, 19 percent said they spent the same on both computers, and only 16 percent said they spent less to manage PCs than Macs... http://www.cio.com/article/569163/Are_Macs_Really_Cheaper_To_Manage_Than_PCs_ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] TinyURLs [Was: Re: [CGUYS] FCC wants to measure]
Please define burned. What happened? Did your hard drive melt? How is this burned experience different from the supposedly innocent URL you sent this week, http://tinyurl.com/X ? No, they don't, in fact many wrap at 72 characters. Actually tinyurls and similar services can be safer with preview features than a supposed safe looking URL with a hidden link. Of course the safest approach is not to click on links from folks you do not know. I suggest that few have gotten burned either with a tinyurl or the entire link on this list regardless of how adversarial things become. Besides once someone on this list does burn others, that individual's reputation is shot, so if for example I use some browser like links or turn off script running... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
