MS was showing old hardware with their OS as cheaper
than Apple's.
Still clinging to this myth? I guess it's as comforting to McFans as a pair
of fuzzy slippers, but, as was shown here long ago, the HP in question is
not even two months old.
Their cheaper ad requires comparing bottom of
The requirements were artificially contrived to exclude
a very good and appropriate computer that Apple does make
that competes with the 8-pound laptop.
Right, the need to be able to take the machine with you is unbelievably
artificial. How ridiculous. Nobody in the real world needs to take
I don't care what the budget buyer's want; I want a good laptop
computer, and Apple has models that appeal to that.
Well, there ya go. The fact that budget buyers exist and are not served by
Apple is sorta the whole point, isn't it? Whether you care about them or
not?
FYI, the budget buyers
Apple does not choose to build laptops good for only a year or two.
My wife's ibook circa 2004 is still going strong as is my 2006 Macbook
Pro. At work they have to cycle out their Dell laptops every two
years - cheaper than keeping them in repair.
Anecdotal evidence. I've got my own. I have
My point is that Lady Shopright COULD have had a Mac laptop, IF she
hadn't wanted to pay a Wal-Mart discount price for a fancy, premium
new machine. Which is pretty unrealistic--if she had done 5 minutes'
worth of research on the Net, she would have known that. No need for
even a pretend
And that is my Point! MS is only advertizing themselves as the
alternative for people on a tight budget. Let's crow to the heavens
and
rejoice! Thou tomb stone shall read: None were cheaper than him!
Not sure why everybody keeps bringing up irrelevant examples about cars
when the talk
I don't see any other message in their ad. Just MS is cheaper, so
buy a laptop with Windows if you can't afford more.
Do they make another point that I missed?
There's no validity to your assumption that one ad is supposed to show all
possible reasons for doing something. Here's an old
Few ads from MS come to my attention. So, okay Chris, does MS have
other ads out?
Uh, yes? The 4-1/2 year-old girl capturing, enhancing, and emailing pictures
to granny with a few clicks? Other little girls making panoramas and such?
Anyone see the 60 Minutes piece Sunday on the deadly
computer virus sweeping the world? The story suggested
that there is some reason to think it might be activated
in millions of computers by its creator on April 1 to do
harm or create mischief. Any thoughts about how serious
this
Xbox lost out to Wii.
Well, now this is a really interesting conclusion.
We (wii?) have both, and there is no comparison. Except for the wiimotes,
which really are pretty cool, Xbox is superior in *every* respect. As in
blows it away. Side-by-side with the Xbox's HD graphics, the Wii looks like
Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of
inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to
meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's
limited her options and determined the outcome of her shopping trip
before she's even started.
Macintosh machines do cost more than Windows machines of
the same basic physical size.
Steve, congratulations on being the first to even come close to
acknowledging reality. You follow it up with the inevitable But..., yet
this is a good first step in the twelve-step program for MFBs. :)
I'm more worried that WIN7 has reached the pin the old feature
on the new OS stage. This is where the other units at M$ get
a whack at adding back old things that mess up the OS.
No, Win 7 has been feature-frozen for a long time. Nobody has added anything
of any significance to it for
As someone who spends 90% of computing time on W-XP, but prefers Apple
(and has for my own compute time), I find your WFB rants a bit
disingenuous. I don't spend near as much maintaining my OS X computer
as the company spends on this W XP laptop. You just come off sounding
ignorant to
For this class of computer Apple has a better idea and it
is the 20-inch iMac.
Jeff is right, this whole thing is too funny for words. The idea of carting
a 20 iMac to class or Starbucks, along with the 20-foot orange extension
cord required to plug it in somewhere, well, stop it, you're
I've been using Macs since 1988
I'm ready to put gaff tape over all of the Apple logos on every
computer I own. I'm ready to send an award to the advertising agency
that created this infamous advert. It gets an A++ for effectiveness
even if it never sells a single extra copy of Windows.
Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000.
20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home
page.
You really just don't seem to get that you can't take your iMac to class or
on a plane, do you? Is it THAT difficult a concept?
You are the one who are not being honest. Nobody, but a weightlifter,
carries around a laptop that is that bulky and that heavy.
This rather skirts the fact that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of
not-weightlifters do this every day, don't it?
Speaking only for myself I start with a list of:
1. What capabilities I need.
2. What capabilities I want.
3. What capabilities would be nice.
That is exactly the point. You don't start off saying I need a
laptop. You start with capabilities and needs.
Yes, and if your needs include
Vista works better and sucks less though :)
If true, which I doubt, it undeniably requires more PC
resources and support.
Resources yes, support no. And Win7 adds some very nice features while using
significantly fewer resources. Marcio's new system was clearly plenty big to
run Vista, so
Will I be able to install Windows Vista or 7 on the top of it? Or I
will have to start from scratch if I decide to move the these OSs?
MS says that you will be able to purchase an upgrade from XP to Win 7, but
you'll have install it on a clean system, i.e., remove XP first. I've heard of
Thanks, but can I put Vista on the top of the XP Home?
Yes, but it's not necessarily the best practice.
It's almost always a good idea to start fresh with a new OS when possible.
Things inevitably get messed up as you use a system for day-to-day work. When
you upgrade in place, some portion
Of course, with MS's $billions to spend on propaganda
we may just be decieved about Win7. I would wait for Win7
SP2.
Of course the millions who are using it for daily work may just be deceiving
themselves, too.
Why not just add M$ Sux to your signature and be done with it? It would
save you
Safeway?? They should be going to Giant where it is cheaper still.
And Wegman's is yet cheaper (and way better).
Actually I get some food stuffs at Target which is half Giant.
Yes, but it's difficult to find truffle butter at Target.
Wegman's is hit or miss for me. If it is on sale it's
cheaper but for many things it is more.
Actually, WRC4 in DC did a comparison shop--admittedly a couple of years
ago--and found Wegman's to be the cheapest of the big grocery chains for a
pretty basic shopping cart. No truffle butter.
Of
Fine. But they still wouldn't sell her what she wanted. A
laptop with a 17' monitor for less than $1K
She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for
$1099 by flashing her college ID. That is so close that
the difference is mere quibbling.
Just won't give up, eh? You seem to
The product has not shipped. Anyone using it for daily
work has a daily job as a beta tester or is an out and
out idiot.
The extremes you go to as a MS lap dog are amazing. Telling
people to do their daily work with beta software is
unconscionable.
Folks do not do this!
Anyone who
Then you would agree that anyone who does their daily work with beta
software is an idiot.
Step two: Would you act on any recommendation provided by an idiot?
This is too ridiculous to even warrant a response.
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I know all the mac heads drive around in their
Bentley's and put their nose up at those who
can only afford a Toyota or heaven forbid...
*gasp* a Hyundai
It was a Kia, Mike, and suggestion appeared to be, if you don't have enough
for a Beemer just don't drive at all.
So stop making stuff
A laptop (also known as a notebook) is a personal computer designed for
mobile use small enough to sit on one's lap.
And MP3 players must be brown.
An unusually bizarre comment, even for you. You are saying that laptops do
NOT have to be small enough to sit on one's lap?
People buy PC laptops
Tell the truth. A real person would have bought the iMac with a much
larger 20-inch screen and the software needed to get work done.
Tell the truth. You're unable to admit that real people might want or need a
laptop because that would require you to finally answer the question, which
you
May I ask how much time you've spent with Vista SP1 and Win7?
None.
Professionally, I can't change an OS on the fly.
...
Can you show me one instance where a major American or for that
matter a worldwide corporation has adopted Vista?
We weren't talking about either of these. The
OK, but it was an honest answer.
Yes, it was.
I don't think I said Vista didn't work, you may
have read that into the text.
If so, I apologize. That's how I read this:
WinXP is really an old and tired looking OS at this point.
Maybe. But it actually works and it doesn't suck.
In a
I can see where you could read that message. Sorry, I'll be more
careful.
The question, I think, was about going from a working XP
installation to a Vista installation.
Well, I think your response was actually to someone who said that Marcio
would have been better off to get a Vista
An astute observation. You are absolutely correct. The ad agency
did some editing to make it appear as though she entered the store,
but failed to notice that in their attempt to deceive the viewer, they
deceived themselves instead.
For heavens' sake, everyone, this isn't a documentary,
Ah, he said new...spose those are the 'new' old models.
Well new to him. The refurbs are even cheaper.
But irrelevant to the ads, of course, as all must agree. A Mac Mini is not a
big screen laptop. Lauren can't haul it back and forth to her busboy classes
at the community college.
No obvious deception there as opposed to the
MS ad. FWIW, ads are not SUPPOSED to be
intentionally deceptive
As I noted earlier, the Mac ad showed MS spending ALL of its money marketing
Vista and NONE of it improving Vista. This is obviously not true. So, the
Mac ad was intentionally
MS didn't actually spend ALL of its money on marketing Vista rather
than improving it,
Are you sure? It really do think that one is true.
Oh, please.
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It was an ADVERTISEMENT.
And anything goes in the ole USA. In Britain the nasty old government
will actually order advertisers to stop running deceptive ads. Probably
happens in a lot of other civilized countries too.
I thought you guys were joking.
You fanbois are seriously trying to say
So the brits stopped the Apple ads?
Several. I don't remember which ones. I think they were mostly
picking on iTunes. On the other hand the EU fined MS something
like $750,000,000.
Oh, I never realized that that had to do with deceptive advertising.
Those Windows haters over at PCMagazine weigh in with...
Fact-checking Microsoft's Latest Anti-Apple Ads
www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2344017,00.asp
They point out that the DV7 she bought was an old laptop.
I guess one should not go to Best Buy looking for the latest in
technology.
To repeat an earlier post: If I'm given $15,000 and
I can't buy a BMW, but I can buy a Kia then the Kia
is obviously better?
Excellent job of totally missing the point of the ad.
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She didn't walk into the store, she's an actress, she bought
a crappy laptop, you can get a headless Mac Mini for $500, etc,
etc. All dancing daround the ONE pertinent fact: you can't
buy a 17 Mac laptop for under $1,000. I'm wondering how much
more of HEY! LOOK OVER THERE! the Mac
If I understand things correctly, all of these marvelous new ways of
keeping track of data files requires indexing the files
No, indexing has nothing to do with libraries.
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I understood libraries couldn't do more then aggregate folders not file
types.
I didn't mean to imply that libraries aggregate by file type. Just the
opposite, really. Instead of containing all pictures or videos or whatever,
they would contain everything related to your collection of lemurs or
This sort of data storage arrangement has always seemed to me to be the
wrong way to go. The first thing that I do when I set up a new
computer is arrange storage of data files by topic (content), not by
data type
You can organize libraries any way you want. It's just a collection of
folders
I went to the Microsoft website this week for information. It
turned out to be in a Silverlight video. Silverlight doesn't
run on the Mac I was using.
MS has cooperated with Flip4Mac to replace Windows Media Player, yet
their Silverlight doesn't run
Are you saying that Silverlight's Mac
Right...but I still have to sort them. I want a system that can
analyze tags so when I open a folder labeled 'industrial' I get
all my music that is tagged as such no matter where it is. We
spend time tagging photos, tagging music...tagging docs and windows
still does nothing with those.
She wanted a Mac. She went first to the Mac store.
I wish I could visit your imaginary world some day. Does Mrs. Butterworth
fix you breakfast every day, saying Good morning, dear! And a lovely one it
is, too!
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Then you must explain why she first went to the Apple Store.
It is obvious that she truly, truly wanted a Macintosh
All right, she did originally, because someone told her they were shiny. But
when she tried one she hated it. She detested it.
And all the Geniuses in the store were laughing
Intuitive is just another word for, in with the new, same as the old.
Yes. Not long ago I was engaged in a blog comment war about climate change
and one of the critics said, The global warming alarmists refuse to engage
in the debate, that's how I know it's a hoax. Since climate scientists
The Global Warming alarmists etc.
I used this as an analogy, not as a call for a new topic of discussion.
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you'd see right on the Home tab to the left in big
size Paste, Cut, Copy, etc. All right out in the open,
not hidden away behind menus. I can't imagine what
would be easier for novices.
Yes, Cut/Copy/Paste is a great example of something that is far more obvious
in 2007 than in earlier
Lots of things become hidden in plain sight. It happens all the
time. Since I always use the keyboard shortcuts for these functions,
and occasionally the menu, I have no idea what the toolbar (ribbon)
button for cut, copy, paste look like. Most icons are not intuitive
to me on first use.
7 sounds like it is a much better upgrade. (They worked all the bugs
out, but then why charge folks for your screwup?)
Well, all this was worked out for Vista SP1, which *was* free.
While Mike is generally right about most things other than politics, I
disagree with him that Win7 is just a
Only if you already owned Vista.
Right, I understand this. I was just pointing out that MS did fix Vista at
no charge. The net result is the same either way: either you paid for Vista
and got the free update; or you pay for Win7 and get Vista, the free Vista
update, and all the new Win7 stuff.
At the risk of starting a whole new debate, I did want to disagree with
this bit. At least one of the models is available for download.
Right, I also wanted to disagree with it (actually, with pretty much all of
it), but we did just have a political kerfluffle here. If anyone wants to
yak about
Let us add the statement not yet.
Right now XP is still available, for just over $100.00 from vendors.
(OEM)
Vista SP1 Upgrade is available from Vendors for about $125.00.
How much is 7 going to cost out the gate? Will Vista drop in
price? I suspect not. XP has not dropped
Their primary point is that you should get a
Windows PC because it is cheap.
Nice spin, but no, their primary point is having a choice. On her $1,000
budget she could choose between many PCs, or she could take the one Mac,
which didn't fit her requirements.
If I wanted cheap I would get a
The Libraries folder seems pointless. It's just a rehash of some of
the folders in Username (My Pictures, My Music, My Documents, and My
Videos).
No, no, libraries are way different from My Documents etc. You're just
seeing the default.
They are folder aggregates, not folders, so if you have
Frequently it told me You have insufficient internal
resources. Save your file and close Organizer. Yes, I
still use Lotus Organizer 5 for my appointments.
This really sounds like a bug in Organizer more than any real lack of resources
in your PC. Might be time to find something new. There's
MS is consistent in it's mediocrity and the public's opinion
is also notably consistent. Office 07, Vista, Explorer.
Needlessly confusing, bloated, slow...
Do you have any data to confirm that the public thinks this, particularly
of Office, which is what we're talking about?
I can't say I have ever heard anyone who prefers MS's latest offerings
over their earlier ones other than the security aspects.Many
people put up with them ... but that's about it.
OK, so what you have is from your own experience only, and exclusively with
people who used older
I expected the same reaction from both my wife and my boss when they
were first faced with the new layouts. Oddly, neither of them said a
thing to me or even asked my help with anything. In both cases it was
months later when I thought to ask them if they were having any
trouble and neither
The F1 key is very useful, but remember some of us are trying to be
productive, and when you constantly have to hit the F1 key to figure
out soemthing that you knew how to do on the old system, it gets old,
and frustrating and you get rid of it.
Constantly? That's what I don't get. I used
Is this true for _all_ kinds of users, e.g. basic users (produce/edit
only simple documents), intermediate users, and advanced users (use
all sorts of bells and whistles in the application? Is this true for
both folks who spend all day working with Word documents, and those
who use Word once
A dumb way to do it.
Rather a shame that actual users don't agree with you.
Must...reeducate...users...
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It happens the same as it happens in every OS, errors
in code. Exploits written to take advantage of the errors
That's true, but still the quote was pretty interesting. It didn't get much
of a response here, so I wonder if it got sort of buried in the larger
excerpt:
The things that Windows
So we don't really know if the crack is significant
or not. Or if the person quoted above is being overly
dramatic in his estimation of the ease of cracking
Mac OS X.
Roger, I don't disagree with anything you said, except for that last
sentence: since hacking appears to be the guy's raison
I noticed this quote in your link:
Before I could even pull my camera out, it was over within 2 minutes-and
Charlie (coincidentally also last year's first winner of the day) is now the
proud owner of yet another MacBook, and $5,000 from the Zero Day
Initiative.
Actually, it didn't take nearly
Many thanks... I am looking for this folder Favorites and I can´t
find it. I have C: and D:.
Please advise
Marcio
If you are running XP, it should be C:\ Documents and
Settings\username\Favorites. For Vista, it's C:\Users\username\Favorites.
(Actually, in Vista you can just type Favorites
Word is that Google Voice (formerly GrandCentral) will be launching within a
couple of weeks. It looks very, very cool (and free for domestic use).
The idea is you have one phone number, which you pick, that you give out to
everyone (business AND personal). Using caller ID, it will ring any of
Like so many other new things (Twitter, Facebook), I'm going to have
to be convinced. I already have a single phone number. Can this thing
automagically ring a cell phone if you're in the car, the home phone
when at home, and the work phone when at work?
The site doesn't have all the details
Soon enough, Google will know where you are.
You're assuming that they don't already.
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Your attitude implies that it's OK to steal someone's work.
It's not OK, nor is it legal. Has your work ever been stolen?
Mine has, and it's a legal mess to try to get compensation.
Just in case the original poster misses your note: I believe that his Why
not? was referring to the photo
I am changing computers. Finally will retire my old Compaq. I like to
save the Favorites file to use it in the IE in the new computer.
Where do I find the file to save it? How to install in the new IE?
Many, many thanks
Favorites isn't a file, it's a folder. Look for it under your user folder
This is pretty interesting, if it actually works.
It doesn't simply return documents that (might) contain the answers, like
Google does, and it isn't just a giant database of knowledge, like the
Wikipedia. It doesn't simply parse natural language and then use that to
retrieve documents, like
Actually Google is already doing something close to this. You
can put queries of that type into Google Spreadsheets and it
often does return an answer.
Really? Google Spreadsheets can tell me the average rainfall in Boston last
year or where the ISS is right now?
Meanwhile, I hear that
Well now I have to agree with Tom on this one...although I lack his
hope
that any combo of letters will make it successful.
Meanwhile, I hear that Live Search is about to undergo another
name change. The hope is that the right combination of letters
will suddenly make it popular.
the first sentence of the write up says it is based on IE code
I've seen similar statements in a couple of write-ups, and something doesn't
sound right. Since IE is proprietary, how could GreenBrowser could be based
on it?
My hunch is that what they actually mean is that GB uses the MSHTML
A report by Secunia finds the vulnerabilities in Mozilla Firefox greatly
outnumbered those in Internet Explorer, Apple Safari and other browsers in
2008
Now, don't anyone (yes, you) get all silly sarcastic about WFBs and so
forth. I use Firefox. I just thought it was interesting.
10.4 is the old version? He'd have to travel through time to have
looked at
reports for 10.5
Darn, I forgot he works for Microsoft, so he definitely would. However,
the rest of us are not living in the past and have been running X.5 for
the last 15 months.
I got a fortune cookie today:
Gosh, I knew I was on to something when I suggested that
Win 7 was a terrible choice for netbooks
This is an odd commentary, considering that the article talks almost
exclusively about XP (Old school XP in a tiny machine does not work.,
etc.)
As you are no doubt aware from your extensive
This is an odd commentary, considering that the article talks almost
exclusively about XP (Old school XP in a tiny machine does not work.
So you predict that MS will contiune to supply XP even after Win 7
starts
shipping? Or is this just another mindless defense of all things
Microsoft?
From those who have run win 7 on a netbook, it is definitely
faster then vista on the same hardware, the question will end
up being how hamstrung will MS make the netbook version of 7?
To be fair however, it's not as if these netbooks are being
installed with full blown linux either,
1. Do you have a netbook? Which one? Size?
Dell Mini 9, 9, 1GB RAM, 16GB SSD.
2. What software and features do you use most? Do you need to print?
Open Office, Firefox. Printing no problem via network printer on WLAN.
3. Pros and cons of your netbook?
Pros: Small, easy to travel, good batt
For instance: Software giant Microsoft laid off 1,400 workers last
month. Yesterday, the company acknowledged that -- oops! -- it actually
overpaid severance to some of those workers. The unemployed workers
found this out recently in a letter from Microsoft, which was sitting
on cash reserves
B) Not so very long ago you mentioned that you couldn't use
(or knew people who couldn't use) Vista because it did not
support certain legacy apps that you (or they) need. But
now, no rational system designer needs to support 8.3?
B) Still defending Vista? Unbelievable! I think even MS itself
In fact, yes. I have two apps that I use every day that have not been
updated in many years but still do exactly what I want with no fuss.
Details? Do the apps have names? If you will pardon me, based on your
past history I don't put any stock in your vague assertions. These apps
are
Digital Research was created in the 70's to market
CP/M, and should hold the first patent for that
convention... if they had the foresight to patient such
a benign aspect of their creation!
The article doesn't say specifically, but I strongly suspect that the
patents are not on 8.3
Why would any rational system designer think they still
need to support 8.3?
A) Relevance to the MS lawsuit, please?
B) Not so very long ago you mentioned that you couldn't use (or knew people
who couldn't use) Vista because it did not support certain legacy apps that
you (or they) need. But
Apparently MS thinks Linux belongs to them too.
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2009/02/does_microsof
ts_1.html
Regardless of the merit of the suit, MS Sues TomTom for Using Linux is a
thoroughly misleading description of it, based on your link.
Regardless of the merit of the suit, MS Sues TomTom for
Using Linux is a thoroughly misleading description of it,
based on your link.
The story uses the phrase implementation of Linux I wrote
using Linux. Yes, I was definitely misleading. Probably
criminally.
Now ignoring the story
It is interesting to see how other's see us: computer geeks possessing
vast resources with unlimited possibilities. Is there anything beyond
our capabilities?
The best discoveries we keep to ourselves...
http://www.pcworld.com/article/160011/google_sinks_atlantis_discovery_b
uzz.html
It
He may have had an image backed up somewhere that he could download.
But AFAIK MS doesn't sell the OS via download.
Actually, they do. I assumed that he was looking for a free replacement
copy, which is why I mentioned MSDN etc., but MS does sell Vista for
downloading here:
Mark Minasi mentioned in his last newsletter that he 'downloaded' Vista
Premium SP1 to repair his computer on the road. Does anyone know where
that might be?
He probably has a subscription to MSDN or something similar. I'm not aware
of any other way to download Vista without paying for it.
Ding! You win the prize for the obvious - the bills threatened the
availability of abortion without consequences and had to be opposed -
even if this meant tolerating infanticide
Why are you ignoring the fact that this infanticide was already illegal?
Ding! You win the prize for the obvious - the bills
threatened the availability of abortion without
consequences and had to be opposed - even if this
meant tolerating infanticide
Why are you ignoring the fact that this infanticide
was already illegal?
Infanticide is legal?
You would think, but no, not in the cases in question.
The issue related to failed abortions that resulted
in the live delivery of an infant. Absent intense
medical care this child would die. In most cases
this child would probably die anyway. These children
were not being given any
Oil, coal and gas will eventually be replaced as
primary energy generation sources when other energy
sources become either economically (I'm looking at
you, solar) or technologically (fusion) viable and
also as consumers increase demand for alternative
energy sources
This is correct in
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