Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Wow, really? Though I'm sure they're out there, I've never met one. They must all conglomerate around your area. Is this the same part of the country where some of the people hitch up their horses to their Prius? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Tony B wrote: I hadn't thought about that. Since so many Mac owners actually run Windows, they would be the first to be totally pissed off that their Magic Mouse wouldn't work! On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:06 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/11/14588/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
I know half a dozen mac owners, all of them run windows on the machine at one time or another. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Wow, really? Though I'm sure they're out there, I've never met one. They must all conglomerate around your area. Is this the same part of the country where some of the people hitch up their horses to their Prius? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Tony B wrote: I hadn't thought about that. Since so many Mac owners actually run Windows, they would be the first to be totally pissed off that their Magic Mouse wouldn't work! On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:06 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/11/14588/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
On Dec 11, 2009, at 6:03 PM, mike wrote: I know half a dozen mac owners, all of them run windows on the machine at one time or another. Only occasionally to remind ourselves of our great fortune. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
What is a WFB? R On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 16:28 -0700, mike wrote: Um..yeah. Once again he's talking without looking. Technically a 'wfb' if you can find one, can run the magic mouse. Drivers are out there. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: As to the mouse click thing I'm on the fence. I've gone through more mice then I can remember. Is electronic stuff more reliable then physical stuff? You know, little springs and clips and etc.? They all die sooner or later. I'm guessing the Magic Mouse is mostly electronic based. I have used one. It really is a quantum leap in usability. WFBs can continue to cling to their keyboards. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Windows Fan Bois Thank you, Mark Snyder IdM/Provisioning Identity Access Management 703.883-8365 -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:computerguy...@listserv.aol.com] On Behalf Of Rob Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:03 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse What is a WFB? R On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 16:28 -0700, mike wrote: Um..yeah. Once again he's talking without looking. Technically a 'wfb' if you can find one, can run the magic mouse. Drivers are out there. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: As to the mouse click thing I'm on the fence. I've gone through more mice then I can remember. Is electronic stuff more reliable then physical stuff? You know, little springs and clips and etc.? They all die sooner or later. I'm guessing the Magic Mouse is mostly electronic based. I have used one. It really is a quantum leap in usability. WFBs can continue to cling to their keyboards. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Quoting Rob robfl...@ix.netcom.com: What is a WFB? Anybody that doesn't agree with Tom. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
On Dec 8, 2009, at 9:06 PM, mike wrote: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/11/14588/ Looks good. Oh joy! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
That is more accurate since Tom has called known mac users 'WFBs'. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Reid Katan ka...@his.com wrote: Quoting Rob robfl...@ix.netcom.com: What is a WFB? Anybody that doesn't agree with Tom. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
I don't know, but probably the dumbest thing in ages I've seen is people debating health care. As to the mouse click thing I'm on the fence. I've gone through more mice then I can remember. Is electronic stuff more reliable then physical stuff? You know, little springs and clips and etc.? They all die sooner or later. I'm guessing the Magic Mouse is mostly electronic based. Personally I want a temple based mouse that will tie into my eye movements and blinks. I want a holographic screen I won't leave finger prints on when I use the touch based movements. And I want a girlfriend/wife/whatever that wants to watch whatever I want to watch when it's on tv. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Dec 2, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Tony B wrote: Dumbest thing I've seen in ages. On a tap the mouse will click, no physical click required. Wow! No more onerous mouse clicking! Thank god we're saved at last from the drudgery! Didn't take long... By using MouseWizard, you can give your Magic Mouse three extra buttons, 'pinch', 'bloat' and 'tap to click' trackpad gestures, and special features such as 'coverup' to make your Mac go to sleep. http://www.samuco.net/web/node/23 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
You don't ask for much do you? I might be able to find a mouse like you describe, but the last part? God works miracles but even that one he gave up on. :-) Stewart At 01:41 PM 12/8/2009, you wrote: I don't know, but probably the dumbest thing in ages I've seen is people debating health care. As to the mouse click thing I'm on the fence. I've gone through more mice then I can remember. Is electronic stuff more reliable then physical stuff? You know, little springs and clips and etc.? They all die sooner or later. I'm guessing the Magic Mouse is mostly electronic based. Personally I want a temple based mouse that will tie into my eye movements and blinks. I want a holographic screen I won't leave finger prints on when I use the touch based movements. And I want a girlfriend/wife/whatever that wants to watch whatever I want to watch when it's on tv. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote:
Personally I want a temple based mouse that will tie into my eye
movements and blinks.
This has actually been tricker than was expected, mostly because people
don't really realize what their eye movements or blinks _really_ are.
Apparently people do both more than they think they do, which causes quite
a few unpredictable movements and clicks. Still, this is an area under very
active research, from what I understand.
I want a holographic screen I won't leave finger prints on when I use the
touch based movements.
Again, I'm not entirely sure this is really what you want. We like the idea
of gestures in the air, but there has been some work to indicate that we
also like feedback and response. It is why you get so many people arguing
about the merits of a virtual keyboard vs an IBM Selectric keyboard.
And I want a girlfriend/wife/whatever that wants to watch whatever I want
to watch when it's on tv.
I wonder if this is really what you want, too... or if it has to do with
something besides tv. {:
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Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: As to the mouse click thing I'm on the fence. I've gone through more mice then I can remember. Is electronic stuff more reliable then physical stuff? You know, little springs and clips and etc.? They all die sooner or later. I'm guessing the Magic Mouse is mostly electronic based. I have used one. It really is a quantum leap in usability. WFBs can continue to cling to their keyboards. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Um..yeah. Once again he's talking without looking. Technically a 'wfb' if you can find one, can run the magic mouse. Drivers are out there. On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:15 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 2:41 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: As to the mouse click thing I'm on the fence. I've gone through more mice then I can remember. Is electronic stuff more reliable then physical stuff? You know, little springs and clips and etc.? They all die sooner or later. I'm guessing the Magic Mouse is mostly electronic based. I have used one. It really is a quantum leap in usability. WFBs can continue to cling to their keyboards. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:28 PM, mike wrote: Um..yeah. Once again he's talking without looking. Technically a 'wfb' if you can find one, can run the magic mouse. Drivers are out there. Link please! The one thing holding me back from buying a Magic Mouse is that I'm running a KVM with both OS X and XP attached. I need an XP driver!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/11/14588/ good luck On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:36 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Dec 8, 2009, at 6:28 PM, mike wrote: Um..yeah. Once again he's talking without looking. Technically a 'wfb' if you can find one, can run the magic mouse. Drivers are out there. Link please! The one thing holding me back from buying a Magic Mouse is that I'm running a KVM with both OS X and XP attached. I need an XP driver!! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
I hadn't thought about that. Since so many Mac owners actually run Windows, they would be the first to be totally pissed off that their Magic Mouse wouldn't work! On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 9:06 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2009/11/14588/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Have you ever used a multi-touch device like the MacBook Pro/Air trackpad or iPhone/iTouch? They're wonderful. We survived without using 2- or 3-button mouse for years, and this is so much better. I could never use a PC mouse comfortably because they're so huge--hurts my hand. I don't like the drudgery of unnecessary extra buttons. I tried the Magic Mouse at the Apple Store last Friday. I like it, a lot, better than the Mighty Mouse I have now and like, too. I believe in Magic! Do you? Dumbest thing I've seen in ages. On a tap the mouse will click, no physical click required. Wow! No more onerous mouse clicking! Thank god we're saved at last from the drudgery! Didn't take long... By using MouseWizard, you can give your Magic Mouse three extra buttons, 'pinch', 'bloat' and 'tap to click' trackpad gestures, and special features such as 'coverup' to make your Mac go to sleep. http://www.samuco.net/web/node/23 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Dumbest thing I've seen in ages. On a tap the mouse will click, no physical click required. Wow! No more onerous mouse clicking! Thank god we're saved at last from the drudgery! Didn't take long... By using MouseWizard, you can give your Magic Mouse three extra buttons, 'pinch', 'bloat' and 'tap to click' trackpad gestures, and special features such as 'coverup' to make your Mac go to sleep. http://www.samuco.net/web/node/23 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
On Dec 2, 2009, at 10:09 PM, Tony B wrote: Dumbest thing I've seen in ages. On a tap the mouse will click, no physical click required. Wow! No more onerous mouse clicking! Thank god we're saved at last from the drudgery! You are so predictable. I'm surprised you are not still railing against that silly mouse thing that Apple introduced on the 1st Macintosh. Get a life. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
On Nov 27, 2009, at 11:22 PM, David K Watson wrote: The two-finger side swipes for forward and back are ergonomically different enough from the other gestures that you aren't likely to do them by accident, but three- or four-finger gestures would simultaneously be difficult to perform on an unanchored mouse and too easily performed by accident. Note that this new mouse sits on a pair or rubber rails. Very different from previous mice. I think Apple is going for a mouse that can be anchored with just a little bit of pressure. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Tony B wrote: Looks interesting, but I'm still leery of touchpads in general. Anyway, since there's no version available for Windows yet, it's useless on most systems. And a wall of patents will assure that there never will be! Ho ho ho! I'm not sure what you mean about 'growing' gestures. All the ones I've seen are gestures that have been used for ages. Either by moving the whole mouse, or just the scroll wheel. Two finger drags, three finger drags, probably four fingers some day. Different gestures. I'm told the iPad will bring an explosion of new gestures. Won't work with Vista or W7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
I use two finger drags all the time. Three rarely. But with my mouse I have a nice tactile click to tell me I've pressed a key. People like tactile feedback in their tools. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 2:35 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Tony B wrote: Looks interesting, but I'm still leery of touchpads in general. Anyway, since there's no version available for Windows yet, it's useless on most systems. And a wall of patents will assure that there never will be! Ho ho ho! I'm not sure what you mean about 'growing' gestures. All the ones I've seen are gestures that have been used for ages. Either by moving the whole mouse, or just the scroll wheel. Two finger drags, three finger drags, probably four fingers some day. Different gestures. I'm told the iPad will bring an explosion of new gestures. Won't work with Vista or W7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Some people. I turn it off. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Tony B ton...@gmail.com wrote: I use two finger drags all the time. Three rarely. But with my mouse I have a nice tactile click to tell me I've pressed a key. People like tactile feedback in their tools. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 2:35 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Tony B wrote: Looks interesting, but I'm still leery of touchpads in general. Anyway, since there's no version available for Windows yet, it's useless on most systems. And a wall of patents will assure that there never will be! Ho ho ho! I'm not sure what you mean about 'growing' gestures. All the ones I've seen are gestures that have been used for ages. Either by moving the whole mouse, or just the scroll wheel. Two finger drags, three finger drags, probably four fingers some day. Different gestures. I'm told the iPad will bring an explosion of new gestures. Won't work with Vista or W7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
I got a Magic Mouse as soon as I could, because my mighty mouse's scrollball would get clogged up and need cleaning annoyingly often. I agree that the Magic Mouse works much better than the Mighty Mouse (now just Apple Mouse), and I'd go so far as to say that it's the best mouse I've ever tried. However, I can't really see adding any more gestures to the Magic Mouse. It would be too easy to do a gesture by mistake. Right now, I sometimes accidentally scroll when a finger grazes the mouse or just gets too close. This is not particularly disruptive to recover from, but the same probably wouldn't be true for any additional gestures. The two-finger side swipes for forward and back are ergonomically different enough from the other gestures that you aren't likely to do them by accident, but three- or four-finger gestures would simultaneously be difficult to perform on an unanchored mouse and too easily performed by accident. I could however see a device that bears the same relationship to the Magic Mouse that a trackball bears to a standard mouse, that is, essentially a standalone multitouch trackpad with a non-slip base. Then you could do all the 1,2,3, 4-finger gestures that you can do with a multitouch trackpad and more besides. I could also see a bigger version of this being popular with some handicapped people. From:tjpa t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: Apple Magic Mouse On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:14 PM, Tony B wrote: Looks interesting, but I'm still leery of touchpads in general. Anyway, since there's no version available for Windows yet, it's useless on most systems. And a wall of patents will assure that there never will be! Ho ho ho! I'm not sure what you mean about 'growing' gestures. All the ones I've seen are gestures that have been used for ages. Either by moving the whole mouse, or just the scroll wheel. Two finger drags, three finger drags, probably four fingers some day. Different gestures. I'm told the iPad will bring an explosion of new gestures. Won't work with Vista or W7. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
I just got to spend a day with a new Mac with the new Magic Mouse. It only took a few minutes to get used to operating the screen by gliding my fingers across its surface. Today I'm back to using an Apple Mighty Mouse and I must say I'm annoyed. The Magic Mouse makes computing so much easier. I wonder if the number of gestures used to operate with this mouse will grow rapidly. Seems to me that it could easily do so. That could create a totally new way of interacting with the computer. I suspect such a situation will enflame those on this list who are already quite averse to change. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Apple Magic Mouse
Looks interesting, but I'm still leery of touchpads in general. Anyway, since there's no version available for Windows yet, it's useless on most systems. I'm not sure what you mean about 'growing' gestures. All the ones I've seen are gestures that have been used for ages. Either by moving the whole mouse, or just the scroll wheel. On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:44 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: I just got to spend a day with a new Mac with the new Magic Mouse. It only took a few minutes to get used to operating the screen by gliding my fingers across its surface. Today I'm back to using an Apple Mighty Mouse and I must say I'm annoyed. The Magic Mouse makes computing so much easier. I wonder if the number of gestures used to operate with this mouse will grow rapidly. Seems to me that it could easily do so. That could create a totally new way of interacting with the computer. I suspect such a situation will enflame those on this list who are already quite averse to change. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
