Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-09 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 8, 2009, at 10:42 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: We are a little bit easier to adapt so we will need to figure out how to do that. You are the Apple of God. * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Sometimes I feel just like the pits. Stewart At 12:00 PM 8/9/2009, you wrote: On Aug 8, 2009, at 10:42 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: We are a little bit easier to adapt so we will need to figure out how to do that. You are the Apple of God.

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread t.piwowar
On Aug 6, 2009, at 8:13 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: You mean like ordering the $700 program when the $90 program works just as well? Good example. Imperial IT management always assumes that they know how to do everybody's job better than the people who were hired to do the job. I

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread Jeff Wright
Good example. Imperial IT management always assumes that they know how to do everybody's job better than the people who were hired to do the job. Tom is certified by the National Association of Petulance. He knows what he's talking about. I would love to see Tom's client list one day. I

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
OK I will bite on this one. Obviously you have never had to live within budgets. Very often many of us are being asked to do more with LESS Which means the $700 program is not an option as we cannot afford it. We have to make the bucks stretch over a bigger area. So that means we do with

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 8, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Obviously you have never had to live within budgets. Very often many of us are being asked to do more with LESS There are two ways to handle budget problems. One is to cut back, fire highest-paid staff, run with the cheapest

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread Jeff Wright
There are two ways to handle budget problems. Therein lies your problem: a total and complete lack of vision. The real world isn't binary. I'll leave it to our sad sack WFBs to struggle with doing less with less. We do just fine, since we don't have to pay the Apple tax.

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
OK I know I asked for you to respond but you are being a plain old mass about it. Tom many non-profits have very slim line budgets a few people on their staff and many many volunteer workers. We don't get the cheapest but we cannot afford the most expensive. So unless you are paying the

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 8, 2009, at 8:08 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom many non-profits have very slim line budgets a few people on their staff and many many volunteer workers. Yes, bad management tends to be a problem. I recently watched a once prosperous church go through a change in management.

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Tom 80% of the population go to megachurches. However 80% of our churches are smaller single staff churches. The only paid staff is me and I am there whenever they want me and do a lot of work at home also. Churches cannot be run like businesses. They are churches whole different ball

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread Jeff Wright
Yes, bad management tends to be a problem. Ya think? Is this your flow chart? Bad management? Yes | | V Yes Non-profits can have funding issues for all sorts of reasons aside from management. Changes in city or state administrations can change funding

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
In many cases when a supporter dies the non-profit gets zilch. Families have a tendency to look out for families. I have had a few that before they got sick took the unprecedented step of setting up trusts/endowments to look after non-profit or the aims of the non-profit. It is not common

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 8, 2009, at 9:10 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Churches cannot be run like businesses. They are churches whole different ball game. By the way the management of any church is the parishioners! I wholeheartedly agree with you. But those of us who believe in the free market also

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 8, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Jeff Wright wrote: Non-profits can have funding issues for all sorts of reasons aside from management. Changes in city or state administrations can change funding priorities. Economic upheavals can drastically reduce giving or endowments with little warning.

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Happening to the tune of about 30+ per week closing doors, or hiring off the grid. Stewart At 09:34 PM 8/8/2009, you wrote: Being a free-market Capitalist I would have to insist that it is a management responsibility to navigate through such rough waters. If times have changed and the need

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Yes and no. It always depends on what you are looking for. There are things the megachurches can do that I cannot. I do not compete with them on those criteria. Many of the folks looking want that criteria and they go there. We offer some different things that megchurches cannot offer.

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-08 Thread Jeff Wright
Being a free-market Capitalist You owe me a new monitor. This one has a spit-take all over it. I would have to insist that it is a management responsibility to navigate through such rough waters. And they do, but not as the status quo. Hard choices are made quite often, to ensure the

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-06 Thread Jeff Wright
So, if the systems that you are charged with maintaining are up a cumulative 99.9% of the time, as you described in a previous message on this subject, when do you ever do any real work? What amount of time in a week does that missing 1/10 of one percent represent? How long does it take,

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-06 Thread Chris Dunford
Today, I have to convince a drama queen that she doesn't need a new $450 How come there are no drama kings? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map,

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-06 Thread Jeff Wright
How come there are no drama kings? I've got plenty. I'll lend you a couple if you're light. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-06 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Wright wrote: Today, I have to convince a drama queen that she doesn't need a new $450 program, when she has a tendency to throw up her hands when faced with the slightest learning curve or unexpected hiccup, and there is a shared system outside her office

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-06 Thread Jeff Wright
Yes, I forgot that one. Imperial IT telling the poor schmucks who actually have work to do that they have to do the work in the way that is most convenient for IT. You want to use the good software, then you can stand in line with all the other schmucks to get your turn. Right on schedule.

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-06 Thread Chris Dunford
Yes, I forgot that one. Imperial IT telling the poor schmucks who actually have work to do that they have to do the work in the way that is most convenient for IT. You want to use the good software, then you can stand in line with all the other schmucks to get your turn. So, IT should do

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-06 Thread TPiwowar
On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:48 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: So, IT should do whatever its users tell it to? What kind of management is that? That is the difference between imperial IT and IT that serves the needs of the business. Imperial IT manages by telling the workers what they can't do.

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
You mean like ordering the $700 program when the $90 program works just as well? Stewart At 07:07 PM 8/6/2009, you wrote: That is the difference between imperial IT and IT that serves the needs of the business. Imperial IT manages by telling the workers what they can't do. Well-managed IT

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-06 Thread Jeff Wright
You mean like ordering the $700 program when the $90 program works just as well? It seems like the only solution template Tom has: let the inmates run the asylum. He sees Nurse Ratched in manager's offices everywhere. I found a solution to my $450 drama queen problem. I was able to get an

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-06 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
You named the problem right there. Adobe usually overprices their stuff by a ton. Stewart At 08:28 PM 8/6/2009, you wrote: You mean like ordering the $700 program when the $90 program works just as well? It seems like the only solution template Tom has: let the inmates run the asylum. He

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-05 Thread Jeff Wright
Since IT was never around they didn't have a clue that there were problems. IT thinks everything runs. My users can get a hold of me 8 different ways: -Send an email to the help desk which automatically opens a ticket in the system and sends an email to everyone in IT. -Send me an email

Re: [CGUYS] BOGUS [was: Finally an FCC that earns its keep]

2009-08-05 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote: What you described is what we in the field would call a poorly run business.  IT is taking its cues from the top, as the company circles the drain. So, if the systems that you are charged with maintaining are up a