Re: [CGUYS] Comcast Internet Cap
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 10:33 PM, rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comcast (the sole reason I have still got dialup=yeeech! is that I don't wanna ever deal with them) is dummer'n snot ...instead of cutting them off, why not just make them agree to a surcharge for overages ...that way they donna pissa offa no goons and make 'coupl'a bucks to boot !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Comcast Internet Cap Tom that is very interesting but it also brings up a major question. Why is this? It is not just the Patriot Act. It is a lot of stuff that is causing this what is it? Also this is a more rational routing scheme. Why route all your mail for down the block through a post office half a world away? Some of it is political with the Georgians not trusting the Russians not to read their mail but some of it is the spread of the needed routing technology to the far corners of the world. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Comcast Internet Cap
250gb/mo is at least realistic. The local phone company (Frontiernet) is talking about 5gb/mo. That is a fairly decent limit, I doubt I would ever blow through it, but I'm still strongly considering FIOS. I'm paying $133/month just for cable and Internet! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Comcast Internet Cap
how much for the 5gb? how much to 250gb? heard that a single hd movie is around 25gb. comcast has a problem. internet sells of $40, cable sells for $100. At 09:31 PM 8/29/2008, you wrote: 250gb/mo is at least realistic. The local phone company (Frontiernet) is talking about 5gb/mo. On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saw this article at Marketwatch about Comcast setting new Internet usage limits: customers it has updated its Acceptable Use Policy. Comcast CMCSA) told customers that starting on Oct. 1 it will set a new monthly usage threshold for customers, of 250 gigabytes a month of data usage, for all Comcast residential customers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Comcast Internet Cap
Granted, the cap of 250 gigabytes covers a huge amount of data. Comcast says consumers would have to send 50 million e-mails, or download 62,500 songs... Actually no. I have a remote camera system that uploads images and streams video. It is only active during off hours and is triggered by motion, yet it still generates several GB/month. I imagine that someone monitoring a pet or a child full time could take a big chunk out of that cap. Add to that an Apple TV and a streaming music service and you are toast. I can see the headlines Mother of Quints Banned from Internet. What is the penalty if a consumer surpasses the monthly cap of 250 gigabytes?... their service is subject to termination. The report I read said that exceeeding the cap will get you banned for a year. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/150473/critics_question_comca st_broadband_caps.html Thinking analogously, it would be like living in a rural area where WalMart has driven all the local merchants out of business. You show up in the 10 items or less lane with 11 items and are told that you are banned from shopping for a year. What makes Comcast think this is acceptable behavior? I think it shows that Comcast has crossed the line to being an arrogant, malevolent monopolist. It is time for the Justice Department to do its job and chop Comcast up into a dozen competitive pieces. I think that by failing to provide adequate broadband service, Comcast puts the nation at risk. Inadequate bandwith makes the US vulnerable to foreign DOS attacks (like the one Russia launched against Georgia). Inadequate bandwith also puts the US behind many other nations in the information economy. IMHO, Comcast is an enemy of the people. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Around here the price is about the same, with Comcast being slightly cheaper. I doubt DSL will actually _implement_ a cap at 5gb/mo, but more likely would follow Comcast's lead in whatever they do. But the fact they put it in their new TOS means they think they can get away with _some_ sort of cap. Blu-ray discs currently hold up to 25gb, but HD movies compressed for the internet are more like 5gb. On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:16 AM, gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how much for the 5gb? how much to 250gb? heard that a single hd movie is around 25gb. comcast has a problem. internet sells of $40, cable sells for $100. At 09:31 PM 8/29/2008, you wrote: 250gb/mo is at least realistic. The local phone company (Frontiernet) is talking about 5gb/mo. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Comcast Internet Cap
Following up on the national security angle, please read... Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the US nytimes.com/2008/08/30/business/30pipes.html Since passage of the Patriot Act, many companies based outside of the United States have been reluctant to store client information in the U.S. Internet technologists say that the global data network that was once a competitive advantage for the United States is now increasingly outside the control of American companies. They decided not to invest in lower-cost optical fiber lines, which have rapidly become a commodity business. That lack of investment mirrors a pattern that has taken place elsewhere in the high-technology industry, from semiconductors to personal computers. To repeat... They decided not to invest in lower-cost optical fiber lines... ...lack of investment mirrors a pattern that has taken place elsewhere... The era of the American Internet is ending. As I see it, the same people who scoffed at global warming, are now well on the way to making the US an Internet backwater. The US's information economy will soon be melting away. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Those true believers don't call it global warming anymore, it's climate change...as to cover anything from a bit of rain to hurricanes to cooling or warming.. As I see it, the same people who scoffed at global warming, are now well on the way to making the US an Internet backwater. The US's information economy will soon be melting away. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Comcast Internet Cap
Tom that is very interesting but it also brings up a major question. Why is this? It is not just the Patriot Act. It is a lot of stuff that is causing this what is it? Stewart At 01:29 PM 8/30/2008, you wrote: Following up on the national security angle, please read... Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the US nytimes.com/2008/08/30/business/30pipes.html Since passage of the Patriot Act, many companies based outside of the United States have been reluctant to store client information in the U.S. Internet technologists say that the global data network that was once a competitive advantage for the United States is now increasingly outside the control of American companies. They decided not to invest in lower-cost optical fiber lines, which have rapidly become a commodity business. That lack of investment mirrors a pattern that has taken place elsewhere in the high-technology industry, from semiconductors to personal computers. To repeat... They decided not to invest in lower-cost optical fiber lines... ...lack of investment mirrors a pattern that has taken place elsewhere... The era of the American Internet is ending. As I see it, the same people who scoffed at global warming, are now well on the way to making the US an Internet backwater. The US's information economy will soon be melting away. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Scientifically speaking Climate Change is the correct term. The Climate has never stayed stable and has always fluctuated (Can anyone say Ice Age?) The scientific quandary is why the Climate changes. Are we accelerating the change? From what I have heard over time the Climate has been warming since the 1800's and what we are seeing is an acceleration of that change. Reality is what we don't know is what is going to hurt us. Stewart At 01:48 PM 8/30/2008, you wrote: Those true believers don't call it global warming anymore, it's climate change...as to cover anything from a bit of rain to hurricanes to cooling or warming.. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Why is this? It is not just the Patriot Act. It is a lot of stuff that is causing this what is it? The Patriot Act, just like torture by any other name, was just plain stupid. There is also the matter of 8 years of unrestrained greed, the Administration not doing its job to protect the nation, selling us out for short term gain. The Senator who told us the Internet was just a bunch of tubes has now been indited. Step one on a long road we need to follow. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Following up on the national security angle, please read... Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the US nytimes.com/2008/08/30/business/30pipes.html Oh no! The CIA will have to start outsourcing their spies! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Comcast Internet Cap
Comcast (the sole reason I have still got dialup=yeeech! is that I don't wanna ever deal with them) is dummer'n snot ...instead of cutting them off, why not just make them agree to a surcharge for overages ...that way they donna pissa offa no goons and make 'coupl'a bucks to boot !! -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Comcast Internet Cap Tom that is very interesting but it also brings up a major question. Why is this? It is not just the Patriot Act. It is a lot of stuff that is causing this what is it? Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Comcast Internet Cap
Saw this article at Marketwatch about Comcast setting new Internet usage limits: http://tinyurl.com/6fmgh2 Text Follows Below Signature Richard P. MARKETWATCH FIRST TAKE Comcast sets usage cap for Internet users Commentary: Company gets low marks for disclosure to customers By MarketWatch Last update: 3:06 p.m. EDT Aug. 29, 2008 SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Comcast Corp. is up to its old tricks, as it seeks to rid its network of customers who use peer-to-peer networks that clog up bandwidth. Last month, Comcast was ordered by the Federal Communications Commission to disclose its current and future network management practices and to stop blocking Internet traffic by the end of the year. The company had been blocking users of peer-to-peer networks by delaying their accessing to certain Web sites such as BitTorrent and others. See full story. The cable giant quietly posted a new policy on its Web site, telling customers it has updated its Acceptable Use Policy. Comcast CMCSA) told customers that starting on Oct. 1 it will set a new monthly usage threshold for customers, of 250 gigabytes a month of data usage, for all Comcast residential customers. See Comcast's disclosure here. But Comcast did not issue a press release or send direct announcements to consumers. In the interest of full disclosure, I am a Comcast customer, and I did not receive any kind of e-mail notification of this news, which would be a more direct and timely manner of disclosure The company says on its Web site that it is taking several steps to notify customers, including running banners on Comcast.net and it will include an insert, or a billing stuffer in their next bill. In my opinion, Comcast's headline on Comcast.net, saying it has updated its Acceptable Use Policy, is not exactly a headline many consumers will see. Granted, the cap of 250 gigabytes covers a huge amount of data. Comcast says consumers would have to send 50 million e-mails, or download 62,500 songs of 4 megabytes each, or download 125 standard movies at 2 gigabytes each, or upload 25,000 high-resolution photos of 10 megabytes each. What is the penalty if a consumer surpasses the monthly cap of 250 gigabytes? Comcast said 99% of its customers will not exceed the bandwidth limitations. However, if one exceeds the limit, they may receive a call from Comcast to notify them of excessive use. If they surpass the limitation two times within a six-month period, their service is subject to termination. Comcast is clearly trying to get rid of those unwanted customers who use its network to download fat files of movies, videos and music, some of which are probably pirated. But its indirect disclosures are likely to lead to more ire among consumers toward a company that is already challenged in the customer service department. -- Therese Poletti * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Comcast Internet Cap
250gb/mo is at least realistic. The local phone company (Frontiernet) is talking about 5gb/mo. On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Saw this article at Marketwatch about Comcast setting new Internet usage limits: customers it has updated its Acceptable Use Policy. Comcast CMCSA) told customers that starting on Oct. 1 it will set a new monthly usage threshold for customers, of 250 gigabytes a month of data usage, for all Comcast residential customers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
