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It's this one. Any thoughts? It's not what I'd pick for any mission. Basically consumer junk. Sorry, just my educated opinion. For too many reasons than I can explain in a few paragraphs. My advice would be to check out some bicycle websites and actually get an appreciation of the subject. Research is good. Schwinn hasn't been anything other than Chinese trash for a while, sorry. There are still good manufacturers in the USA but they are going to be a lot more expensive. See Waterford, for example. They are what used to be Chicago Schwinn's Paramount division. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I totally depends on what you expect and what you want to use it for. I've been out of the loop on the details of what is going on in the bike world for a few years, but I can safely say that this bike is a basic entry level bike. If you want a bike to get your feet wet in the mountain bike realm, that bike might be OK for you. If you become any kind of enthusiast, you'll want to get something much better in short order. Jeff Miles wrote: Speaking of bicycles, I just won a Cabela's sweepstakes of a $1000 gift card. I was thinking about buying the top of the line Schwinn they have on their site. It's this one. Any thoughts? http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp;jsessionid=DDQX2PC1WNHVXLAQBBJSCO3MCAEFIIWE?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A_DAV=MainCatcat602008-cat603441id=0067007518293anavCount=13podId=0067007parentId=cat603441masterpathid=navAction=pushcatalogCode=OGrid=parentType=indexindexId=cat601233hasJS=true_requestid=109972 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Enjoy you can probably buy a rifle sling for it and a nice rifle to carry along while riding. :-) Stewart At 12:47 AM 8/13/2009, you wrote: Speaking of bicycles, I just won a Cabela's sweepstakes of a $1000 gift card. I was thinking about buying the top of the line Schwinn they have on their site. It's this one. Any thoughts? http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/product/standard-item.jsp;jsessionid=DDQX2PC1WNHVXLAQBBJSCO3MCAEFIIWE?_DARGS=/cabelas/en/common/catalog/item-link.jsp_A_DAV=MainCatcat602008-cat603441id=0067007518293anavCount=13podId=0067007parentId=cat603441masterpathid=navAction=pushcatalogCode=OGrid=parentType=indexindexId=cat601233hasJS=true_requestid=109972 Jeff M On Aug 12, 2009, at 8:40 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: As a technology geek, I see no difference between a .45 (SAA, M1911A1, New Service, take your pick), a bicycle (PX-10, Heron, Schwinn, take your pick) or a computer (PC, Amiga, MAC, take your pick). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I live in a small town with a full cross-section of people. It wouldn't do any good to say one car is better than another, any more than to say a chainsaw or a computer or a bicycle or motorcycle or a rifle is better than another. It's important to keep in mind what's appropriate for each person, each job, and playtime. With tech and otherwise, sometimes high-tech works better than low, sometimes vice versa. But it makes a huge difference when people obtain the information and skills to use each appropriately, and to not use any of those when appropriate too. So, we agree again, don't we. I'm a very good shot too, but now it's with a slingshot, accurate at 50 yards, even with bad vision. Since it's illegal to shoot woodpeckers that are hammering on my house, I aim for their tails with dried peas, cherry tomatoes or screaming monkeys. Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com escribió: Of course, in those rural environs, guns were perfectly legal to own and to carry around. The parents would have gotten a visit from the sheriff if I had been in your place. Guaranteed. When I was growing up my Dad, who was an infantryman in WWII, taught all of his children gun safety. Which is a major factor in my decision not to keep or bear firearms in what I consider inappropriate places. I do enjoy shooting at the range, both high power rifle and various handguns. I consider it a skill worth practicing. Now that my eyesight is declining I'm not what you might call competitive, but I do understand the various platforms and their advantages and disadvantages. Of course I also understand other technologies in the same terms. It is all in the intent and skill of the user, including an appreciation of the legal and social concerns. Assuming I am equally adept at detail stripping an M1911A1 as I am at the same task with a computer or a bicycle, which I am, and assuming that most people can't do these things, which they can't, my familiarity suggests that the only difference is the purpose that the technology serves. As a technology geek, I see no difference between a .45 (SAA, M1911A1, New Service, take your pick), a bicycle (PX-10, Heron, Schwinn, take your pick) or a computer (PC, Amiga, MAC, take your pick). If this list is about technology, as opposed to just computers, it might be more productive to discuss this in more specific terms. Rather than demonizing or extolling a particular category. For example, I might say that I found my Heron to be excellent for bicycle touring, but the added weight of the Macbook Pro and the M1911A1 led me to prefer the netbook and the Colt 1908. You could call me evil, but so far this discussion hasn't focused on appropriate technology or personal responsibility, although Betty did touch on those topics. A desperate attempt to get this back on topic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I wouldn't either if is was even close to the truth. The wild west that Hollywood portrayed is a myth. Probably more people died in the business union battles then in the wild west. While we love our guns, we're actually a pretty tame crowd. There is the hunting bunch, but they're out numbered by the fishing bunch. And contrary to popular belief, they actually use poles and not dynamite. They also spend a lot of time climbing mountains, skiing, boating and laying around on beaches. Oh, and those would be clean beaches. As much as I'm not a MS fan, I have to wonder if there's a reason Bill Gates stayed here. Apple hasn't moved either. I'm sure there are cheaper places in the world, even in the country. So why stay in the wild west? BTW, I call DC that because I got sick of people thinking I lived there when I said I lived in Washington. I shouldn't have to say Washington State. Who says they live in Ohio State, or Illinois state, or Tennessee State? And yes, those of us who live here tend to get a little peeved at that presumption. The people who live in the nation's capital live in the District of Columbia. Jeff M On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:17 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:21 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? Think about arriving in a town where everybody is armed to the teeth. What do you think about such a place? The word lawless comes to mind. Far from civilization. Perhaps you are in one of the tribal territories of Pakistan? Afghanistan? A town in the middle of the Amazon? The Wind West? Certainly not a place where one would want to raise a family. The gun nuts want to turn the clock back on civilization. Take us back to a time when life was short, brutal, and ugly. No I won't go along with that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No, she's not. When you don't have a gun those shooting at you have a 1000 percent chance of winning the confrontation then you do, unless you're name is David and are really good with a sling. Why do people not get this? Where would we be today after WWII if it weren't for massive amounts of guns? As barbaric as they may be, guns and the like have almost always won out and created the life you live today. Without guns would we have had the space program, computers, tv dinners? Jeff M On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:19 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Shoot back? SHOOT BACK? If you're in a shooting match, regardless of the source of the guns or the justice of your cause, your chances of death or serious injury just went up by several thousand per cent. Empowering citizens to shoot back at the bad guys might be justifiable if there were NO cops, NO law, and NO courts. [Actually, we have cops, law, and courts; we're luckier in that respect than they are in many countries in the world today.] But with a shoot back when warranted policy, you're postulating a situation in which amateur, untrained citizens are charge of individualized law enforcement, using lethal force. This is, to put it mildly, a risk management nightmare. But you are being logical. That doe not have much currency in this debate. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I forgot to add something. Some of you are spending way to much time in front of your computers. Take some time and look at the animal kingdom. The best defense and offense almost always wins out. If we humans were ruthless at our defense and offense we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. Jeff M On Aug 11, 2009, at 10:19 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Shoot back? SHOOT BACK? If you're in a shooting match, regardless of the source of the guns or the justice of your cause, your chances of death or serious injury just went up by several thousand per cent. Empowering citizens to shoot back at the bad guys might be justifiable if there were NO cops, NO law, and NO courts. [Actually, we have cops, law, and courts; we're luckier in that respect than they are in many countries in the world today.] But with a shoot back when warranted policy, you're postulating a situation in which amateur, untrained citizens are charge of individualized law enforcement, using lethal force. This is, to put it mildly, a risk management nightmare. But you are being logical. That doe not have much currency in this debate. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Washington, DC was established long before Washington the state came along and was admitted to the union - from the Oregon territory. You'll need to keep adding the state to Washington, or change its name, Jeff. Stop whining. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- BTW, I call DC that because I got sick of people thinking I lived there when I said I lived in Washington. I shouldn't have to say Washington State. Who says they live in Ohio State, or Illinois state, or Tennessee State? And yes, those of us who live here tend to get a little peeved at that presumption. The people who live in the nation's capital live in the District of Columbia. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This thread ignores that most gun murders are committed by family members and acquaintances. Others die in the cross-fire. I don't deny the second amendment, but toting guns mostly just generates false security. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Think about arriving in a town where everybody is armed to the teeth. What do you think about such a place? The word lawless comes to mind. Far from civilization. Perhaps you are in one of the tribal territories of Pakistan? Afghanistan? A town in the middle of the Amazon? The Wind West? Certainly not a place where one would want to raise a family. The gun nuts want to turn the clock back on civilization. Take us back to a time when life was short, brutal, and ugly. No I won't go along with that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I use a Colt 45 to cook my TV dinners, Jeff. Adds that wild west flavor! What guns do you use to start computer programs? Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Why do people not get this? Where would we be today after WWII if it weren't for massive amounts of guns? As barbaric as they may be, guns and the like have almost always won out and created the life you live today. Without guns would we have had the space program, computers, tv dinners? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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But gun control only takes guns away from the victims. It doesn't take guns away from the criminals. Fact of life. Au contraire. Gun control makes it harder to buy guns, legally or illegally. That decreases the number of guns available to both criminals and victims. So they use knives and bombs instead, not guns. If we had guns when we were held up, and tried to use them, we would be dead. We were approached by two armed men, one from the side and one behind us. There's no way we could have gotten our guns out before being shot. We were unarmed and cooperative. We didn't get shot. I'm proficient with both rifles and guns. Took a 3-month course from the military at a local armory in Philly. I have no interest in hunting [except when necessary, but not as a sport] or carrying a loaded weapon. I studied Akido and traditional Karate instead. Gave away the rifles. I have two hunting slingshots [and slingshot monkey and pig]. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Fred Holmesf...@his.com wrote: But gun control only takes guns away from the victims. It doesn't take guns away from the criminals. Fact of life. Not completely true. Many guns are in the hands of criminals because they were stolen from folks who had legally, or even illegally, purchased or otherwise obtained them. I dunno the percentage, but a whole bunch of guns used by criminals are stolen. One more little thought. If there were no gun control whatsoever, you could bet your bottom dollar that virtually every criminally minded person would have a gun. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have a question. If guns are such a menace, why do we require cops to carry them? And please don't use the excuse they're trained to use them. I'm thinking of the 49 shots at the guy in New York where only 17 hit. And he was cornered in a porch. Wasn't that an innocent man who asked an off-duty cop to get off his stoop as he often did to others, then was shot dead after hitting the cop who refused to leave? The victim had his fists, not a gun, and was shot by the cops anyway. What about the black off-duty NYC cop who was shot by a white cop in May? I have friends who are cops and never use their guns. Instead they walk their beats in Philly and know the people in the neighborhoods. Good relations, not guns are their weapons of choice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Richard P.richs...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, but I can't resist... So would this mean that they would have wrist fights instead of fist fights??? We could work our way back up the skeleton, eliminating potential weapons of the human body until we get to the root of the real problem. Whatever. Guns=gunfights. I fail to see how any thinking person can claim that if everyone were armed that there would be virtually no more crime and that a huge proliferation of guns in the hands of almost everyone walking around would not result in a lot more shootings that we are now seeing. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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During the Virginia Tech shootings, the guy reloaded several times. Imagine being one of those still alive, standing next to your slain friends waiting for your killer to reload his guns to move on to you. We can trade anecdotes all day long, stats speak for themselves. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:57 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: . If we had guns when we were held up, and tried to use them, we would be dead. We were approached by two armed men, one from the side and one behind us. There's no way we could have gotten our guns out before being shot. We were unarmed and cooperative. We didn't get shot. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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They don't carry guns? On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:21 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I have friends who are cops and never use their guns. Instead they walk their beats in Philly and know the people in the neighborhoods. Good relations, not guns are their weapons of choice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:21 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: During the Virginia Tech shootings, the guy reloaded several times. Imagine being one of those still alive, standing next to your slain friends waiting for your killer to reload his guns to move on to you. We can trade anecdotes all day long, stats speak for themselves. Then clearly we need to require college students not only to have to have a computer, but also at least one gun, and to take it to each and every class they attend. Imagine the scenario at Kent State had all those students been armed. They could have retaliated, and instead of a few being killed, there could have perhaps been dozens, students as well as members of the Guard. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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We used to have neighbors who took out their guns and shot each other when they had family feuds. Most of them ended up in the ER with treatable wounds. A couple were killed. Doesn't make us feel safe to have any neighbors like that whether we have our own guns/rifles ourselves. Stray bullets can hit anything or anybody. Another neighbor used a marker in the neighbor's yard behind his house for target practice. There's a bar down the road where gunfights and deaths were common, and widely known, until it closed last year. That's what happens when firearms laws are so lax that stupid people have too many guns. Probably bought them in Virginia. Probably got to VA in stolen and/or unlicensed cars. This thread ignores that most gun murders are committed by family members and acquaintances. Others die in the cross-fire. I don't deny the second amendment, but toting guns mostly just generates false security. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Think about arriving in a town where everybody is armed to the teeth. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Speaking as a university professor of about 35 years, I don't want students in my classes to have guns. There have been several instances of disturbed students who have obtained a gun and threatened me and other faculty with being shot. We call the FBI who come quickly. So far none of the faculty in my department have been shot or killed by a student. On the other hand, my students study engineering and they tell me that engineering students don't go to Cancun during spring break for wet T-shirt contests. I haven't yet figured out the correlation between gun threats and Cancun. mike wrote: During the Virginia Tech shootings, the guy reloaded several times. Imagine being one of those still alive, standing next to your slain friends waiting for your killer to reload his guns to move on to you. We can trade anecdotes all day long, stats speak for themselves. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, b_s-wilkb1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: We used to have neighbors who took out their guns and shot each other when they had family feuds. It is my understanding that the venerable institution of using firearms to settle scores was pretty much a rural thing that, over time, migrated to urban environments. Of course, in those rural environs, guns were perfectly legal to own and to carry around. Everybody had at least one. Apparently, the adage that everyone being armed makes for a safer environment didn't hold true back then, and still doesn't today in the inner city. Stray bullets can hit anything or anybody. I had a stay bullet smack into a tree recently about 15 or so yards from where I was standing. I live out in the country. I had heard the shooting, which is legal where I live, and knew where it was originating from. I got pretty angry about the near miss, and immediately drove to the area where the shooting was taking place and discovered about five teenage boys in a front yard with a couple of rifles. No adults anywhere in sight. They swore to me that they had been shooting in a different direction, and pointed to a hill that sloped up toward the front of the house of one of the boys. I guess I was supposed to believe that they had chosen the house as a background for their shooting experience that day. I told them that the report of the rifle, which I heard a split second after the bullet hit the tree, had been noticeably louder than any other of the shots they had been firing. That fact told me that the rifle had been pointed in my direction when the shot was fired that hit the tree. I admonished them and they took it without talking back. They are lucky I didn't call the sheriff. I was fairly sure that their parents knew nothing of their exploits that day. Haven't heard any more shooting from there since. Maybe they are having fun these days with simulated shooting on their computers. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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They don't carry guns? Of course the cops carry guns. Many don't have to shoot them, ever. They know the neighborhoods, and the residents. They use diplomacy. It often works. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Of course, in those rural environs, guns were perfectly legal to own and to carry around. The parents would have gotten a visit from the sheriff if I had been in your place. Guaranteed. When I was growing up my Dad, who was an infantryman in WWII, taught all of his children gun safety. Which is a major factor in my decision not to keep or bear firearms in what I consider inappropriate places. I do enjoy shooting at the range, both high power rifle and various handguns. I consider it a skill worth practicing. Now that my eyesight is declining I'm not what you might call competitive, but I do understand the various platforms and their advantages and disadvantages. Of course I also understand other technologies in the same terms. It is all in the intent and skill of the user, including an appreciation of the legal and social concerns. Assuming I am equally adept at detail stripping an M1911A1 as I am at the same task with a computer or a bicycle, which I am, and assuming that most people can't do these things, which they can't, my familiarity suggests that the only difference is the purpose that the technology serves. As a technology geek, I see no difference between a .45 (SAA, M1911A1, New Service, take your pick), a bicycle (PX-10, Heron, Schwinn, take your pick) or a computer (PC, Amiga, MAC, take your pick). If this list is about technology, as opposed to just computers, it might be more productive to discuss this in more specific terms. Rather than demonizing or extolling a particular category. For example, I might say that I found my Heron to be excellent for bicycle touring, but the added weight of the Macbook Pro and the M1911A1 led me to prefer the netbook and the Colt 1908. You could call me evil, but so far this discussion hasn't focused on appropriate technology or personal responsibility, although Betty did touch on those topics. A desperate attempt to get this back on topic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Thank you Mike, Perfect example. Plus I have to ask Tom, while I might not arm a child, did you see anyone mess with him? If you had a gun strapped in a holster like police do, how many people are going to mess with you? Jeff M On Aug 9, 2009, at 10:03 AM, mike wrote: About a week ago I was in a quicktrip getting gas and a drink before work..it was probably 11.30 at night. In front of me was a guy who clearly was a biker, had the whole outfit on including what looked like a nice 9mm at his side. I felt decidedly safer with him there...who is going to rob the quickie mart while he's around? On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:49 AM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: Tom, the gun is not a computer gadget, and a bus is not a car. Also, was that kid the only one who was safe on that bus? Third, were you safer on that bus or walking down the street? Fourth, what kinda gun do you carry? Last, does the computerized aiming mechanism with facial recognition and wifi or wimax database updates from the FBI and Interpol databases run on PC or MAC or is it, as I suspect you are also concealing, a Linux device?? Did you take the same bus to VA to get it at a gun show? If I like what you report, I'll take 2, of course, if the price is right!! -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Have you ever ridden a bus and had a 14 year old get on with a pistol tucked in his belt? That moment has a lot to do with my opinion on guns. I got off at the next stop and walked the rest of the way home. Are people routinely shot down in the streets of your town? Are people afraid to go out of their houses at night? Do stray shots shatter the windows of your homes while you cower behind the couch? Do you really think that is a good way to live? Do you really think being able to shoot back is going to improve the situation? The more lead we have flying the more innocent people will be killed. Why can't I carry a loaded gun into the Capitol? Pass that law first. Quit the hypocrisy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Wasn't this the argument against the use of calculators? I've been using one for years and still know 2+2=5. On Aug 9, 2009, at 12:34 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:00 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: There is an iphone app that tells you where the speed traps are...populated by users I believe. There is also a marker app that when you dump your car in one of those IKEA like parking lots, you drop a marker from the ipod app. When you come out of the IKEA maze fifteen hours later, GPS and the marker app guide you to your car. Would also be handy for old ladies who wander the parking lots of grocery stores and michaels. I theorize that the more people use such devices instead of their brains, wits and common sense, the more reliant one becomes on those devices and the less useful the brain becomes. Also, would those old ladies, or men, even know how to use an iPhone? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. On Aug 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: About a week ago I was in a quicktrip getting gas and a drink before work..it was probably 11.30 at night. In front of me was a guy who clearly was a biker, had the whole outfit on including what looked like a nice 9mm at his side. I felt decidedly safer with him there...who is going to rob the quickie mart while he's around? He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A long list of nothing to do? I have one of those. It drives me nuts trying to get it completed. Jeff M On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: At 03:34 PM 8/9/2009 -0400, you wrote: I theorize that the more people use such devices instead of their brains, wits and common sense, the more reliant one becomes on those devices and the less useful the brain becomes. Also, would those old ladies, or men, even know how to use an iPhone? Some of us do. :) But I firmly agree that it's easy to become reliant on gadgets. I've become dependent on lists. If I don't have a to-do list anymore, I think I have nothing to do--so I play! It's a very lazy way of living. But don't get in my way when I have a long list! Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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So it's not just the fanatical right who use scare tactics to kill health care reform, it's also the fanatical left who want to scare me out of owning a gun. Being a liberal I can at least shoot strait and don't aim at friends. I also don't shoot quail from cars, or wolves from helicopters. Jeff M On Aug 9, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: Since I got a DVR from Verizon Fios, I have recorded watched old episodes of Maverick. Everyone (except some females) carry guns on that program and use them profusely. Seems to work for them, so why not for us today? Maybe every walk down a sidewalk -- better said, for today, a drive in my car -- ought to have a gun exchange. Of course I will win since I am the good guy, and besides I need to go to work tomorrow unlike the delinquents who fire at me as on the TV show. Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote: Thank you Mike, Perfect example. Plus I have to ask Tom, while I might not arm a child, did you see anyone mess with him? If you had a gun strapped in a holster like police do, how many people are going to mess with you? Boy, I wasn't going to get into this, but now I cannot help it. If most adults, perhaps even adolescents, were to walk around armed with guns, knives, brass knuckles, whatever, and this is presuming that at some future time this could become the case, would associated deaths and injuries be more or less likely to occur than now, and why? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote: I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. So, do you typically go around feeling unsafe and fearful? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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In most any state it is illegal to fire a gun from a car unless you are handicapped. (Then it is definitely illegal to shot at humans.) Hunting from helicopters is reserved for those states that have a big population of animals that need controlling. (although Wisconsin has not done that yet with their over abundant deer population.) Stewart At 05:05 AM 8/11/2009, you wrote: So it's not just the fanatical right who use scare tactics to kill health care reform, it's also the fanatical left who want to scare me out of owning a gun. Being a liberal I can at least shoot strait and don't aim at friends. I also don't shoot quail from cars, or wolves from helicopters. Jeff M Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:55 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Boy, I wasn't going to get into this, but now I cannot help it.\ End of August is always silly season around here. If most adults, perhaps even adolescents, were to walk around armed with guns, knives, brass knuckles, whatever, and this is presuming that at some future time this could become the case, would associated deaths and injuries be more or less likely to occur than now, and why? Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. To say the opposite would require you to take a pro-Apple stand to say that popularity has nothing to do with bad things happening. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Do you apply real logic to ANY argument you make or is it always this weird apple logic? On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:36 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:55 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Boy, I wasn't going to get into this, but now I cannot help it.\ End of August is always silly season around here. If most adults, perhaps even adolescents, were to walk around armed with guns, knives, brass knuckles, whatever, and this is presuming that at some future time this could become the case, would associated deaths and injuries be more or less likely to occur than now, and why? Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. To say the opposite would require you to take a pro-Apple stand to say that popularity has nothing to do with bad things happening. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:36 AM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. Microsoft logic or not, I would agree. Just about every human is already armed with fists, yet fists rarely stop fist fights from happening, and in fact, they cause them to happen. I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Fists cause them to happen? Does this even make sense? On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:21 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: Microsoft logic or not, I would agree. Just about every human is already armed with fists, yet fists rarely stop fist fights from happening, and in fact, they cause them to happen. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well, yes. But what are you going to do when you're caught in the crossfire when Biker Dude, Bus Driver Dude, and Grandma get in a shootout with Armed Robbery Dude, when he tries to relieve them of their wallets? Which is a stupid thing to do; all the advice I've ever heard [from safety and law-enforcement sources] is to just hand over your wallet to your attacker, on the theory that it's better to lose your money than your life. [They also recommend that you carry a dummy wallet for just such occasions, when visiting questionable neighborhoods.] I don't buy the whole intimidation via citizens-carrying-guns thing. Street criminals are not noted for intelligence, sobriety, and forethought. Will the mugger check you out all that carefully--to see whether or not you have got a gun in a shoulder holster, or in your waistband under your jacket, for example--before demanding your wallet at gun-point? Once he jumps out from behind the dumpster and points a gun at you, it's too late for your firearm to do you any good. If you try to draw it, you're dead. If Stupid Street Criminal discovers that you are armed, and he's got a gun pointed at you, do you think he's just going to take your money and leave you standing there, to shoot HIM as he walks away? He's probably just smart enough to imagine what could happen if he did THAT. Of course, you, as Mr. Lawful Citizen, would then be on the hook for second-degree murder, which would have decidedly unpleasant consequences; but I wouldn't count on Stupid Street Criminal to think of that if he's got a gun pointed at you. And you'd better hope that gun-carrying Biker Dude, Bus Driver Dude, and Grandma are sane, sober, anger-controlled, and at the top of their psychological game 100% of the time. Likewise all the other citizens who are going about their daily business armed, as though they were living on the western frontier in 1880, or in many places in the world today [such as Somalia] that do not have the rule of law. [BTW, in such places, a firearm is not a guarantee of safety. If Armed Robbery Dude, Evil Guerilla Dude, or Army Death Squad Dude even SUSPECT that you are armed, they will shoot first and ask questions later.] --Constance Warner On Aug 11, 2009, at 2:55 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. On Aug 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: About a week ago I was in a quicktrip getting gas and a drink before work..it was probably 11.30 at night. In front of me was a guy who clearly was a biker, had the whole outfit on including what looked like a nice 9mm at his side. I felt decidedly safer with him there...who is going to rob the quickie mart while he's around? He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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...bring on the wearable information system with wifi, bluetooth, ham radio, fm, skype, smoke signals, semifour, code talking, telegraphy, fax, and, of course, a built in 9mm berretta!! -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:37 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 11, 2009, at 7:55 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Boy, I wasn't going to get into this, but now I cannot help it.\ End of August is always silly season around here. If most adults, perhaps even adolescents, were to walk around armed with guns, knives, brass knuckles, whatever, and this is presuming that at some future time this could become the case, would associated deaths and injuries be more or less likely to occur than now, and why? Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. To say the opposite would require you to take a pro-Apple stand to say that popularity has nothing to do with bad things happening. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Little murders (1967) Jules Feiffer ...the primer on all this!! -Original Message- From: phartz...@gmail.com [mailto:phartz...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote: I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. So, do you typically go around feeling unsafe and fearful? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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WHAT actual stats? Gathered by whom? --Constance Warner On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Mike wrote: All the very logical sounding arguments fall away when measured against actual stats. But the sure sound good. Sent from my iPod On Aug 11, 2009, at 9:39 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: Well, yes. But what are you going to do when you're caught in the crossfire when Biker Dude, Bus Driver Dude, and Grandma get in a shootout with Armed Robbery Dude, when he tries to relieve them of their wallets? Which is a stupid thing to do; all the advice I've ever heard [from safety and law-enforcement sources] is to just hand over your wallet to your attacker, on the theory that it's better to lose your money than your life. [They also recommend that you carry a dummy wallet for just such occasions, when visiting questionable neighborhoods.] I don't buy the whole intimidation via citizens-carrying-guns thing. Street criminals are not noted for intelligence, sobriety, and forethought. Will the mugger check you out all that carefully--to see whether or not you have got a gun in a shoulder holster, or in your waistband under your jacket, for example-- before demanding your wallet at gun-point? Once he jumps out from behind the dumpster and points a gun at you, it's too late for your firearm to do you any good. If you try to draw it, you're dead. If Stupid Street Criminal discovers that you are armed, and he's got a gun pointed at you, do you think he's just going to take your money and leave you standing there, to shoot HIM as he walks away? He's probably just smart enough to imagine what could happen if he did THAT. Of course, you, as Mr. Lawful Citizen, would then be on the hook for second-degree murder, which would have decidedly unpleasant consequences; but I wouldn't count on Stupid Street Criminal to think of that if he's got a gun pointed at you. And you'd better hope that gun-carrying Biker Dude, Bus Driver Dude, and Grandma are sane, sober, anger-controlled, and at the top of their psychological game 100% of the time. Likewise all the other citizens who are going about their daily business armed, as though they were living on the western frontier in 1880, or in many places in the world today [such as Somalia] that do not have the rule of law. [BTW, in such places, a firearm is not a guarantee of safety. If Armed Robbery Dude, Evil Guerilla Dude, or Army Death Squad Dude even SUSPECT that you are armed, they will shoot first and ask questions later.] --Constance Warner On Aug 11, 2009, at 2:55 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. On Aug 9, 2009, at 1:57 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: About a week ago I was in a quicktrip getting gas and a drink before work..it was probably 11.30 at night. In front of me was a guy who clearly was a biker, had the whole outfit on including what looked like a nice 9mm at his side. I felt decidedly safer with him there...who is going to rob the quickie mart while he's around? He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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.tjp augering for a nationwide gun law? -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Bill Wajert wrote: Let's be very clear about one thing. Gun Bans only affect law abiding citizens. Criminals could care less and do not purchase guns legally, even if they could. Not true at all. They buy guns by the dozen, legally (because it is so easy in VA) and then sell them in DC (illegally). Why should they bother to do something illegally when it is so easy to do in legally? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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We should license good citizens to carry guns so that they could shoot back when warranted. You can't take guns away from the criminals. It just won't happen. You can't take drugs away from those who want them. They get them anyway from the black (street) market. There are a lot more unintended consequences than the simplistic argument below would indicate. If you don't allow the good citizen to carry a gun, he won't, and the criminals will know that their victims will always be unarmed. Knowing that, the criminals commit more crime. I stay out of places with strict gun control as much as I possibly can. The crime rate (risk of getting attacked) is much higher in those places. Fred Holmes At 12:21 PM 8/11/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:36 AM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. Microsoft logic or not, I would agree. Just about every human is already armed with fists, yet fists rarely stop fist fights from happening, and in fact, they cause them to happen. I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:31 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: Fists cause them to happen? Does this even make sense? Maybe not to you, but if no one had fists, there would be no fist fights. If everyone carries guns, there will be gunfights. Simple. I checked this out using my digital FutureScan 2100. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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But gun control only takes guns away from the victims. It doesn't take guns away from the criminals. Fact of life. At 02:34 PM 8/11/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe not to you, but if no one had fists, there would be no fist fights. If everyone carries guns, there will be gunfights. Simple. I checked this out using my digital FutureScan 2100. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Sorry, but I can't resist... So would this mean that they would have wrist fights instead of fist fights??? We could work our way back up the skeleton, eliminating potential weapons of the human body until we get to the root of the real problem. Richard P. Fists cause them to happen? Does this even make sense? Maybe not to you, but if no one had fists, there would be no fist fights. If everyone carries guns, there will be gunfights. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Shoot back? SHOOT BACK? If you're in a shooting match, regardless of the source of the guns or the justice of your cause, your chances of death or serious injury just went up by several thousand per cent. Empowering citizens to shoot back at the bad guys might be justifiable if there were NO cops, NO law, and NO courts. [Actually, we have cops, law, and courts; we're luckier in that respect than they are in many countries in the world today.] But with a shoot back when warranted policy, you're postulating a situation in which amateur, untrained citizens are charge of individualized law enforcement, using lethal force. This is, to put it mildly, a risk management nightmare. I don't know what places with strict gun control you are staying out of. Most parts of Washington, D.C., are safe, in part because there are so many cops--and so many different kinds of cops. They're EVERYWHERE. They even watch out for minor transgressions (like using a tripod without a permit), which is annoying; but at least they're there. And I haven't noticed much gun crime in Montgomery County lately, either, so you could always come here to shop, dine, and enjoy our parks. [In the one exception to this rule--the 2002 snipers--guns carried by honest citizens would not have helped. You can look up the details, if you want to verify this.] --Constance Warner On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:50 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: We should license good citizens to carry guns so that they could shoot back when warranted. You can't take guns away from the criminals. It just won't happen. You can't take drugs away from those who want them. They get them anyway from the black (street) market. There are a lot more unintended consequences than the simplistic argument below would indicate. If you don't allow the good citizen to carry a gun, he won't, and the criminals will know that their victims will always be unarmed. Knowing that, the criminals commit more crime. I stay out of places with strict gun control as much as I possibly can. The crime rate (risk of getting attacked) is much higher in those places. Fred Holmes At 12:21 PM 8/11/2009, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:36 AM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Using Microsoft popularity-malware logic suggests that the more people who are walking around with weapons the more often those weapons will be used. Microsoft logic or not, I would agree. Just about every human is already armed with fists, yet fists rarely stop fist fights from happening, and in fact, they cause them to happen. I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have a question. If guns are such a menace, why do we require cops to carry them? And please don't use the excuse they're trained to use them. I'm thinking of the 49 shots at the guy in New York where only 17 hit. And he was cornered in a porch. Jeff M On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:18 AM, TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Constance Warner wrote: I'm afraid that my co-worker had kind of unrealistic mental pictures of just how this kind of scene would play out in real life, and how useful--and practical--a firearm would be. His rescue fantasies probably wouldn't rescue anybody and would be more likely to get himself and maybe others killed. That seems to be a consistent con/neocon affliction. They attack countries believing the populace will rush them with flowers. They manage the economy believing the money will never run out. They manage healthcare believing that illness and old age are things that only happen to other people. They manage guns with a Walter Mitty view of life. I just BlindSearched walter mitty and was most impressed with Google. There was spam in the Yahoo column. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Quoting phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com: I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? And I would say that any jurisdiction that allows gun-toting citizens should take down all the metal detectors around their state houses and court houses. If I can go into a Microsoft store packing, why not the court house? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You just contradicted yourself. They do it legally and then do it illegally? By this I refer to buy and sell. He's either a criminal or he's not. There's no half legal. And this coming from someone scared to death about even talking about coping things on the list. Jeff M On Aug 10, 2009, at 3:20 PM, TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Bill Wajert wrote: Let's be very clear about one thing. Gun Bans only affect law abiding citizens. Criminals could care less and do not purchase guns legally, even if they could. Not true at all. They buy guns by the dozen, legally (because it is so easy in VA) and then sell them in DC (illegally). Why should they bother to do something illegally when it is so easy to do in legally? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The potential for a citizen to shoot back is a _very big deterrent_. Crime rates go down. Trained citizens will do very well shooting back. Takes a lot of training. Some will do it. Cops, law and courts are all too late. The bad guy has already taken your money and maybe your life. Don't license untrained individuals (I presume that's what you mean by amateurs). But don't require a person to be a paid police officer in order to carry a gun. Fred Holmes At 04:38 PM 8/11/2009, Constance Warner wrote: Shoot back? SHOOT BACK? If you're in a shooting match, regardless of the source of the guns or the justice of your cause, your chances of death or serious injury just went up by several thousand per cent. Empowering citizens to shoot back at the bad guys might be justifiable if there were NO cops, NO law, and NO courts. [Actually, we have cops, law, and courts; we're luckier in that respect than they are in many countries in the world today.] But with a shoot back when warranted policy, you're postulating a situation in which amateur, untrained citizens are charge of individualized law enforcement, using lethal force. This is, to put it mildly, a risk management nightmare. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Cops aren't there to protect you, they are there to clean up the mess after. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Fred Holmes f...@his.com wrote: The potential for a citizen to shoot back is a _very big deterrent_. Crime rates go down. Trained citizens will do very well shooting back. Takes a lot of training. Some will do it. Cops, law and courts are all too late. The bad guy has already taken your money and maybe your life. Don't license untrained individuals (I presume that's what you mean by amateurs). But don't require a person to be a paid police officer in order to carry a gun. Fred Holmes At 04:38 PM 8/11/2009, Constance Warner wrote: Shoot back? SHOOT BACK? If you're in a shooting match, regardless of the source of the guns or the justice of your cause, your chances of death or serious injury just went up by several thousand per cent. Empowering citizens to shoot back at the bad guys might be justifiable if there were NO cops, NO law, and NO courts. [Actually, we have cops, law, and courts; we're luckier in that respect than they are in many countries in the world today.] But with a shoot back when warranted policy, you're postulating a situation in which amateur, untrained citizens are charge of individualized law enforcement, using lethal force. This is, to put it mildly, a risk management nightmare. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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This is what amazes me. There are people out there who think by banning guns criminals will start abiding by the law. They are called criminals for a reason. But what I've seen in the 46 years on the planet is a desire to criminalize everything and make criminals out of almost everyone. Look at US jail stats if you question this. Jeff M On Aug 10, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Is that for booze or guns or both? Guns. Booze is more heavily regulated in VA than guns. VA has preemption, which means that state law trumps local ordinances. That means you can carry say a handgun on your belt as long as it is visible, even in say downtown Arlington or a Crystal City mall. You might get a few questions from the police, but they can't arrest you for doing it. Is there any law about carrying a gun while sloshed? There are pretty stringent laws about drunk in public, I imagine if you were carrying a gun under those circumstances you'd get arrested PDQ. VA is a remarkably safe place compared to DC, and not a lot of people practice open carry. The folks that do carry normally have concealed weapons permits, which are not impossible to get but do require thorough background checks and some considerable hours of approved training. Since DC v. Heller, it's legal to keep (but not to bear) firearms in DC. But the requirements to do so are extensive and complex, most people don't want to jump through the hoops to do it. Much less have their name on a short police list. Do I trust the government? No. Am I going to piss off the government? No. Do the criminals care about any of this? No. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Nope, but then again, I don't live in DC. On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:57 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 2:55 AM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote: I've known and feel safer around biker dudes then I ever do around 14 year olds. So Tom's example was an apt one. However, if I had a gun, grandma sitting next to me had a gun and the bus driver had a gun, I'd feel more safe. So, do you typically go around feeling unsafe and fearful? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And, DC is code for? Tell you what: you carry your gun, grandma carries her gun, the legislator next door carries his gun, and we all go into DC and show people what real is real. Got my gun. Happiness is... --- On Tue, 8/11/09, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: From: Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Computer gadgets in cars To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009, 8:17 PM Nope, but then again, I don't live in DC. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Direct Current? Stewart At 07:46 PM 8/11/2009, you wrote: And, DC is code for? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Blob fights? On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:20 PM, Richard P. wrote: Sorry, but I can't resist... So would this mean that they would have wrist fights instead of fist fights??? We could work our way back up the skeleton, eliminating potential weapons of the human body until we get to the root of the real problem. Richard P. Fists cause them to happen? Does this even make sense? Maybe not to you, but if no one had fists, there would be no fist fights. If everyone carries guns, there will be gunfights. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 11, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Constance Warner wrote: Shoot back? SHOOT BACK? If you're in a shooting match, regardless of the source of the guns or the justice of your cause, your chances of death or serious injury just went up by several thousand per cent. Empowering citizens to shoot back at the bad guys might be justifiable if there were NO cops, NO law, and NO courts. [Actually, we have cops, law, and courts; we're luckier in that respect than they are in many countries in the world today.] But with a shoot back when warranted policy, you're postulating a situation in which amateur, untrained citizens are charge of individualized law enforcement, using lethal force. This is, to put it mildly, a risk management nightmare. But you are being logical. That doe not have much currency in this debate. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:21 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I would have to think that if it came to pass where it was legal for just about everybody to be walking around with loaded guns, that big switch blades, machetes, blackjacks, brass knucks and all sorts of other weapons of destruction would also be legal. After all, guns are more lethal and dangerous than those others, so if guns become okay to pack around, why not less lethal devices? Otherwise, only allowing legal gun toting would be nothing but a sop to the gun lobby and enthusiasts. Why not let the individual choose their own WMD? Who would want government making such decisions for you? Think about arriving in a town where everybody is armed to the teeth. What do you think about such a place? The word lawless comes to mind. Far from civilization. Perhaps you are in one of the tribal territories of Pakistan? Afghanistan? A town in the middle of the Amazon? The Wind West? Certainly not a place where one would want to raise a family. The gun nuts want to turn the clock back on civilization. Take us back to a time when life was short, brutal, and ugly. No I won't go along with that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Even better, I watch old episodes of the rifleman...he sometimes goes a whole show just carrying the gun and doesn't even use it! On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.comwrote: Since I got a DVR from Verizon Fios, I have recorded watched old episodes of Maverick. Everyone (except some females) carry guns on that program and use them profusely. Seems to work for them, so why not for us today? Maybe every walk down a sidewalk -- better said, for today, a drive in my car -- ought to have a gun exchange. Of course I will win since I am the good guy, and besides I need to go to work tomorrow unlike the delinquents who fire at me as on the TV show. Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I am having a vision of Eric swinging a U-lock and armed with a Topeak (or possibly Park) Multi bicycle tool at me when I ask When is FIOS ever coming to my condo?. Scary. Very Scary... On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 05:36:38PM -0400, Eric S. Sande wrote: He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? Open carry is legal in VA. Being a biker is not illegal. I wouldn't call myself a biker, I ride a bike but I'd call myself a cyclist as opposed to the motorized variety. I probably don't look as threatening as a full out Harley dude, but I figure I might get some attention when kitted out. I don't carry, it's illegal in DC. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 05:36:38PM -0400, Eric S. Sande wrote: Open carry is legal in VA. Is that for booze or guns or both? Is there any law about carrying a gun while sloshed? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Constance Warner wrote: I'm afraid that my co-worker had kind of unrealistic mental pictures of just how this kind of scene would play out in real life, and how useful--and practical--a firearm would be. His rescue fantasies probably wouldn't rescue anybody and would be more likely to get himself and maybe others killed. That seems to be a consistent con/neocon affliction. They attack countries believing the populace will rush them with flowers. They manage the economy believing the money will never run out. They manage healthcare believing that illness and old age are things that only happen to other people. They manage guns with a Walter Mitty view of life. I just BlindSearched walter mitty and was most impressed with Google. There was spam in the Yahoo column. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Frienda mine is'n old cop (had a 6 shooter) and he went through from academy to retirement and never shot at a suspect or was shot himself ...good career!! ...and others in his squad were involved in shootings or got tagged, so... I don't know where, but I have the idea statistics show most cops are of the former ilk, never have to use the weapon during their career... It ain't like tv, eh? -Original Message- From: mike [mailto:xha...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:31 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars Even better, I watch old episodes of the rifleman...he sometimes goes a whole show just carrying the gun and doesn't even use it! On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Robert Carroll carrollcompu...@gmail.comwrote: Since I got a DVR from Verizon Fios, I have recorded watched old episodes of Maverick. Everyone (except some females) carry guns on that program and use them profusely. Seems to work for them, so why not for us today? Maybe every walk down a sidewalk -- better said, for today, a drive in my car -- ought to have a gun exchange. Of course I will win since I am the good guy, and besides I need to go to work tomorrow unlike the delinquents who fire at me as on the TV show. Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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We live just beyond the county seat city limits and FIOS came there but not here ...we'll surely get FIOS in our card before we ever get it at our house, can't even get dsl, only cable... and I was so proud of having never been a cable customer, but got only 2 channels with a converter and 30' tower, so I knuckled under ...lazy me!! -Original Message- From: Paul Cannon [mailto:pecan...@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars I am having a vision of Eric swinging a U-lock and armed with a Topeak (or possibly Park) Multi bicycle tool at me when I ask When is FIOS ever coming to my condo?. Scary. Very Scary... On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 05:36:38PM -0400, Eric S. Sande wrote: He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? Open carry is legal in VA. Being a biker is not illegal. I wouldn't call myself a biker, I ride a bike but I'd call myself a cyclist as opposed to the motorized variety. I probably don't look as threatening as a full out Harley dude, but I figure I might get some attention when kitted out. I don't carry, it's illegal in DC. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The big O is a neocon now? On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:18 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: They manage the economy believing the money will never run out. They manage healthcare believing that illness and old age are things that only happen to other people. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Let's be very clear about one thing. Gun Bans only affect law abiding citizens. Criminals could care less and do not purchase guns legally, even if they could. Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars From: TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:03:43 -0400 On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Have you ever ridden a bus and had a 14 year old get on with a pistol tucked in his belt? That moment has a lot to do with my opinion on guns. I got off at the next stop and walked the rest of the way home. Are people routinely shot down in the streets of your town? Are people afraid to go out of their houses at night? Do stray shots shatter the windows of your homes while you cower behind the couch? Do you really think that is a good way to live? Do you really think being able to shoot back is going to improve the situation? The more lead we have flying the more innocent people will be killed. Why can't I carry a loaded gun into the Capitol? Pass that law first. Quit the hypocrisy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Bill Wajert wrote: Let's be very clear about one thing. Gun Bans only affect law abiding citizens. Criminals could care less and do not purchase guns legally, even if they could. Not true at all. They buy guns by the dozen, legally (because it is so easy in VA) and then sell them in DC (illegally). Why should they bother to do something illegally when it is so easy to do in legally? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Not true at all. They buy guns by the dozen, legally (because it is so easy in VA) and then sell them in DC (illegally). Why should they bother to do something illegally when it is so easy to do in legally? I thought we weren't going to have this discussion? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I am having a vision of Eric swinging a U-lock and armed with a Topeak (or possibly Park) Multi bicycle tool at me when I ask When is FIOS ever coming to my condo?. Au contraire, I am an extremely peaceful person. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I thought we weren't going to have this discussion? So did I. Silly me, I took Tom at his word. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:22 AM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: We live just beyond the county seat city limits and FIOS came there but not here ...we'll surely get FIOS in our card before we ever get it at our house, can't even get dsl, only cable... and I was so proud of having never been a cable customer, but got only 2 channels with a converter and 30' tower, so I knuckled under ...lazy me!! You already have a tower. Don't you have a friend in town with FIOS? Robert Cringely of PBS had a friend broadband on the next mountain from his home, http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/02/08/1912256. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Is that for booze or guns or both? Guns. Booze is more heavily regulated in VA than guns. VA has preemption, which means that state law trumps local ordinances. That means you can carry say a handgun on your belt as long as it is visible, even in say downtown Arlington or a Crystal City mall. You might get a few questions from the police, but they can't arrest you for doing it. Is there any law about carrying a gun while sloshed? There are pretty stringent laws about drunk in public, I imagine if you were carrying a gun under those circumstances you'd get arrested PDQ. VA is a remarkably safe place compared to DC, and not a lot of people practice open carry. The folks that do carry normally have concealed weapons permits, which are not impossible to get but do require thorough background checks and some considerable hours of approved training. Since DC v. Heller, it's legal to keep (but not to bear) firearms in DC. But the requirements to do so are extensive and complex, most people don't want to jump through the hoops to do it. Much less have their name on a short police list. Do I trust the government? No. Am I going to piss off the government? No. Do the criminals care about any of this? No. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'm not sure about the bus thing. Maybe. As for people being routinely shot down in the streets of my town, yes. We have a gang war going on here. So personally, I'd feel safer being armed. Will being able to shoot back improve the situation? Yes! The more innocent people who don't shoot back and defend themselves, the more innocent people who will be killed. You don't win a war by laying down your guns. And by the way, I'm a liberal who voted for Obama. I just happen to be a liberal from the Northwest. Jeff M On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:03 AM, TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Have you ever ridden a bus and had a 14 year old get on with a pistol tucked in his belt? That moment has a lot to do with my opinion on guns. I got off at the next stop and walked the rest of the way home. Are people routinely shot down in the streets of your town? Are people afraid to go out of their houses at night? Do stray shots shatter the windows of your homes while you cower behind the couch? Do you really think that is a good way to live? Do you really think being able to shoot back is going to improve the situation? The more lead we have flying the more innocent people will be killed. Why can't I carry a loaded gun into the Capitol? Pass that law first. Quit the hypocrisy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Jeff M On Aug 8, 2009, at 4:37 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:51 AM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Today the radical right announced a move to allow gun carry in DC. This would allow the driver to fire off a few warning rounds to discourage you from blocking their right of way. No word on where gun racks would be allowed in cars. I wonder if guns should be allowed at town hall meetings? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Have you ever ridden a bus and had a 14 year old get on with a pistol tucked in his belt? That moment has a lot to do with my opinion on guns. I got off at the next stop and walked the rest of the way home. Are people routinely shot down in the streets of your town? Are people afraid to go out of their houses at night? Do stray shots shatter the windows of your homes while you cower behind the couch? Do you really think that is a good way to live? Do you really think being able to shoot back is going to improve the situation? The more lead we have flying the more innocent people will be killed. Why can't I carry a loaded gun into the Capitol? Pass that law first. Quit the hypocrisy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I thought yours sounded like Andy Rooney. My GPS, so far, the most useful has been to get me lost!! -Original Message- From: b_s-wilk [mailto:b1sun...@yahoo.es] Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:33 PM To: rleesimon Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars Is it Robert/Bob/Lee? Your posts are fun, entertaining, and also have good information, but Andy Rooney? Sometimes, maybe. One of the many reasons I don't have GPS is that I _like_ to get lost and find my own way to a destination. GPS is good for people who need to get somewhere for business or appointments. For personal use--eh! I'm not afraid to get lost, even though we've taken wrong turns in rough places during riots. And I wouldn't have found that delightful little store that had the sign, Magic. One flight up. OTOH, we might not have taken the mountain road with miles and miles of dizzying switchbacks with GPS, or I wouldn't have arrived so late at the electronics recycle place in Baltimore using GPS either. Old saying: It's not the destination, it's the journey. GPS takes all the fun out of travel. You miss a lot of things that you only see when you take a side trip or a wrong turn. Betty rleesimon escribió: I have a lesser known brand GPS unit for the US ...it has free map upgrades online. I upgraded them. I put the unit in my car when I first got it and purposely passed my street asking it to take me home. It told me to turn around. Since then it has sit in a drawer. While in Europe recently, I got a free GPS furnished with the rental car. I used it a lot. It sometimes took me through woods marked for use by forestry personnel only. I liked the routes through the woods best of all. It didn't speak road names for turns which made me hear it say turn around or recalculating more than a few times. I purchased the western European maps for my own unit which speaks street names. We'll see if it is better than the name brand one from the rental company next time. My attempt to sound like Andy Rooney is purposeful, I wonder about anyone else?? -Original Message- From: b_s-wilk [mailto:b1sun...@yahoo.es] Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars I don't use GPS. I use a compass and map--not while I'm driving, usually. They don't talk, however some GPS units do, so you don't have to look at them. I have E-Z Pass as well as a bar code decal for the Susquehanna bridge on US 40. The E-Z Pass instructions show the pass attached to the windshield behind the rear-view mirror. The decal is glued to the left rear window. Since the decal toll is much cheaper than E-Z pass, I keep the pass in its mylar envelope unless I need it. Then I simply place it on the dashboard to the far left, leaning on the window. After that I put it away, fiddling with the pass and the bag while I'm driving. Too bad it can't be turned off [actually, blocked] without using the envelope. And I talk on the phone while I drive, using the speaker phone or head set. Neither blocks the view of the windshield. My phone has voice dialing--which I never use. This is another black or white debate -- meaning that either all electronic devices such as GPS units or cell phones should be banned, or there should be no laws regarding their use in cars. The thread was not initially whether or not to allow the use of GPS or other devices in cars. It was whether or not to allow a digital device, or devices, to be affixed to windshields, particularly when done so in a manner that is illegal, such as right at eye level and interfering with the field of view of the operator. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom, the gun is not a computer gadget, and a bus is not a car. Also, was that kid the only one who was safe on that bus? Third, were you safer on that bus or walking down the street? Fourth, what kinda gun do you carry? Last, does the computerized aiming mechanism with facial recognition and wifi or wimax database updates from the FBI and Interpol databases run on PC or MAC or is it, as I suspect you are also concealing, a Linux device?? Did you take the same bus to VA to get it at a gun show? If I like what you report, I'll take 2, of course, if the price is right!! -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Have you ever ridden a bus and had a 14 year old get on with a pistol tucked in his belt? That moment has a lot to do with my opinion on guns. I got off at the next stop and walked the rest of the way home. Are people routinely shot down in the streets of your town? Are people afraid to go out of their houses at night? Do stray shots shatter the windows of your homes while you cower behind the couch? Do you really think that is a good way to live? Do you really think being able to shoot back is going to improve the situation? The more lead we have flying the more innocent people will be killed. Why can't I carry a loaded gun into the Capitol? Pass that law first. Quit the hypocrisy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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About a week ago I was in a quicktrip getting gas and a drink before work..it was probably 11.30 at night. In front of me was a guy who clearly was a biker, had the whole outfit on including what looked like a nice 9mm at his side. I felt decidedly safer with him there...who is going to rob the quickie mart while he's around? On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 9:49 AM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: Tom, the gun is not a computer gadget, and a bus is not a car. Also, was that kid the only one who was safe on that bus? Third, were you safer on that bus or walking down the street? Fourth, what kinda gun do you carry? Last, does the computerized aiming mechanism with facial recognition and wifi or wimax database updates from the FBI and Interpol databases run on PC or MAC or is it, as I suspect you are also concealing, a Linux device?? Did you take the same bus to VA to get it at a gun show? If I like what you report, I'll take 2, of course, if the price is right!! -Original Message- From: TPiwowar [mailto:t...@tjpa.com] Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Computer gadgets in cars On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:57 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Have you ever ridden a bus and had a 14 year old get on with a pistol tucked in his belt? That moment has a lot to do with my opinion on guns. I got off at the next stop and walked the rest of the way home. Are people routinely shot down in the streets of your town? Are people afraid to go out of their houses at night? Do stray shots shatter the windows of your homes while you cower behind the couch? Do you really think that is a good way to live? Do you really think being able to shoot back is going to improve the situation? The more lead we have flying the more innocent people will be killed. Why can't I carry a loaded gun into the Capitol? Pass that law first. Quit the hypocrisy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There is an iphone app that tells you where the speed traps are...populated by users I believe. There is also a marker app that when you dump your car in one of those IKEA like parking lots, you drop a marker from the ipod app. When you come out of the IKEA maze fifteen hours later, GPS and the marker app guide you to your car. Would also be handy for old ladies who wander the parking lots of grocery stores and michaels. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:56 AM, rleesimon rleesi...@gmail.com wrote: An intelligent additional feature for the GPS would be 2 different timer functions: 1. You go out for a ride and you tell it you hafta be home for dinner at 5pm and it will tell you, based on how far away you go, when you hafta turn around to make it home in time. 2. You get the traffic thing, and you tell it where you wanna go and when you hafta be there and it tells you by the load and time left how soon or late you're gonna be. And, a parking one: 3. Also, they could link the thing to one of those websites that does the parking lot thing and tell you where to park and if they're full or not before you get there and adjust your route accordingly so you don't waste time goin'round the block. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 3:00 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote: There is an iphone app that tells you where the speed traps are...populated by users I believe. There is also a marker app that when you dump your car in one of those IKEA like parking lots, you drop a marker from the ipod app. When you come out of the IKEA maze fifteen hours later, GPS and the marker app guide you to your car. Would also be handy for old ladies who wander the parking lots of grocery stores and michaels. I theorize that the more people use such devices instead of their brains, wits and common sense, the more reliant one becomes on those devices and the less useful the brain becomes. Also, would those old ladies, or men, even know how to use an iPhone? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Are we not splitting hairs here? Can a bus not have a gun rack? Did you ever get into a situation where you needed a 7mm Allen wrench? It happens once in a blue moon. But you were glad to have it, when you needed it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 03:34 PM 8/9/2009 -0400, you wrote: I theorize that the more people use such devices instead of their brains, wits and common sense, the more reliant one becomes on those devices and the less useful the brain becomes. Also, would those old ladies, or men, even know how to use an iPhone? Some of us do. :) But I firmly agree that it's easy to become reliant on gadgets. I've become dependent on lists. If I don't have a to-do list anymore, I think I have nothing to do--so I play! It's a very lazy way of living. But don't get in my way when I have a long list! Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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To true. Everyone should know that gun racks go by the back window if you live out west, like in Idaho. Down in the south east most trucks probably don't have back windows anymore. The floor board is also probably rusted out and the bed of the truck is filled with a cabin. Jeff M On Aug 8, 2009, at 11:30 AM, TPiwowar wrote: On Aug 8, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: If you lived down south you would know Gun Racks go in the back window of your pick up truck along with a fishing rod or two. But then where do I hang the Stars and Bars? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Safer then if I was around you. I know he doesn't want to take away any of my rights. On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 1:57 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: About a week ago I was in a quicktrip getting gas and a drink before work..it was probably 11.30 at night. In front of me was a guy who clearly was a biker, had the whole outfit on including what looked like a nice 9mm at his side. I felt decidedly safer with him there...who is going to rob the quickie mart while he's around? He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Sue Cubicscu...@earthlink.net wrote: Some of us do. :) But I firmly agree that it's easy to become reliant on gadgets. I've become dependent on lists. If I don't have a to-do list anymore, I think I have nothing to do--so I play! It's a very lazy way of living. But don't get in my way when I have a long list! I recall a discussion on this list recently about cars operated by computers that would drive themselves. Digital sensing devices would instantly respond to unanticipated events, saving all from harm. Then the Washington area Metro system has a catastrophic wreck apparently because the computer driven system failed and the capacity for human intervention was woefully insufficient given the speed that the train was traveling coupled with the extremely limited potential for the operator to see the train ahead of her. Indeed, so reliant and confident was Metro in their computerized system that the speed at which trains are supposed totravel on that curved section of track where the collision occurred meant that the operator could never have stopped the train in time under any circumstances. By the time the operator caught the first glimpse of the train ahead it was already too late. Too much reliance on gadgetry, and because of that. there was no safety net built in. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? Open carry is legal in VA. Being a biker is not illegal. I wouldn't call myself a biker, I ride a bike but I'd call myself a cyclist as opposed to the motorized variety. I probably don't look as threatening as a full out Harley dude, but I figure I might get some attention when kitted out. I don't carry, it's illegal in DC. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And, a parking one: 3. Also, they could link the thing to one of those websites that does the parking lot thing and tell you where to park and if they're full or not before you get there and adjust your route accordingly so you don't waste time goin'round the block. Now THAT is a feature I could use! Is there an iPhone/iTouch app for that? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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How many and where? All depends but they usually just keep them in the cabinets. Or under their seats. Stewart At 01:35 PM 8/9/2009, you wrote: On Aug 9, 2009, at 12:49 PM, rleesimon wrote: a bus is not a car Are we not splitting hairs here? Can a bus not have a gun rack? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Since I got a DVR from Verizon Fios, I have recorded watched old episodes of Maverick. Everyone (except some females) carry guns on that program and use them profusely. Seems to work for them, so why not for us today? Maybe every walk down a sidewalk -- better said, for today, a drive in my car -- ought to have a gun exchange. Of course I will win since I am the good guy, and besides I need to go to work tomorrow unlike the delinquents who fire at me as on the TV show. Jeff Miles wrote: I've always wondered why gun toting was disallowed in the first place. If I was a petty thief, the last person I'd try to mug is a gun toting person. On the other hand I have to think of the general common sense of the population. What happens when a person carries both a cell phone and a gun and the cell phone rings? Jeff M * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Or you could get caught in the crossfire when Biker Dude and Armed Robbery Dude shoot it out. (Getting caught in the crossfire doesn't happen much in the movies, but--in fact--a lot of the shooting victims in this area aren't even the gunman's intended target. They just happen to get in the way of a bullet intended for someone else, or fired off to intimidate the neighborhood.) So what do you do when Armed Robbery Dude, Gas Station Owner Dude, and Biker Dude shoot it out, and you're right there paying for your gas? The gun rights fan I knew at work thought he could pull out his own piece and defend himself. Fat chance; by the time he found his firearm (under the seat or in the glove compartment) or even drew it from his shoulder holster, the battle would be over, and Co-Worker Dude might be a casualty, especially if he didn't have the sense to hit the dirt immediately. And if Co-Worker Dude did survive and got into the battle himself, he would then become a target for just about any of the parties---who would assume, not unnaturally, that Co- Worker Dude was after THEM. I'm afraid that my co-worker had kind of unrealistic mental pictures of just how this kind of scene would play out in real life, and how useful--and practical--a firearm would be. His rescue fantasies probably wouldn't rescue anybody and would be more likely to get himself and maybe others killed. Considerations of the practicality of firearm use in sticky situations didn't shake his faith in guns, however. He thought, for example, that people could arm themselves to keep from being killed by the Washington area snipers in 2002. --Constance Warner About a week ago I was in a quicktrip getting gas and a drink before work..it was probably 11.30 at night. In front of me was a guy who clearly was a biker, had the whole outfit on including what looked like a nice 9mm at his side. I felt decidedly safer with him there...who is going to rob the quickie mart while he's around? He will. And then he'll rob you. Biker dude still makes you feel safe? ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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How about little facts like areas with high gun control have higher crimes committed with said weapon and areas with concealed carry laws have less crime? I know silly little facts bug you leftists...get in the way of getting rid of that pesky constitution. On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:51 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 8, 2009, at 1:13 AM, Eric S. Sande wrote: If you want to debate the Second Amendment, I suggest that there are more appropriate forums. By order of the Supreme: Misinterpretations of the second amendment are off topic. Auto safety is marginally on topic. Autos festooned with technology is definitely on topic. Where to mount your gun rack is marginally on topic. Your right to shoot at peds and other varmints is off topic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Where to mount your gun rack is marginally on topic. You know where you can mount it. :-) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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How about little facts... Forget it, mike, this is not about facts. It is about what Tom believes. Don't get me wrong, I actually respect Tom when he is in Dr Piwowar mode. When he is in Mr Hyde mode there is no reasoning with him. Save the evidence, there is no indication that Mr Hyde can be reasoned with. The gun discussion is not repeat NOT something that we need to bring up on this list. It is totally off topic unless we agree that it has relevance, which it does not. We all have different opinions, and it would be far from my usual compliant acquiescence to agree to this discussion. Mr Hyde brought this up, it is up to Dr Piwowar to shut it down. Tom is the list owner and supposedly moderator. I'll say what I have to say regardless, but this troll is akin to race-baiting, if you ask me. Egregious. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:51 AM, t.piwowart...@tjpa.com wrote: Today the radical right announced a move to allow gun carry in DC. This would allow the driver to fire off a few warning rounds to discourage you from blocking their right of way. No word on where gun racks would be allowed in cars. I wonder if guns should be allowed at town hall meetings? Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom you must lead a sheltered life. If you lived down south you would know Gun Racks go in the back window of your pick up truck along with a fishing rod or two. Plus the required empty beer cans in the bed. Stewart At 11:51 PM 8/7/2009, you wrote: On Aug 7, 2009, at 2:12 AM, Constance Warner wrote: The fact that people engage in a lot of other risky behavior in cars, with or without computerized components, is no argument in favor of allowing windshield-mounted GPS units. They're a distraction, however slight, and the difference between getting across the street safely and getting turned into something like Prego spaghetti sauce on the hood of a car can be just a fraction of a second. Today the radical right announced a move to allow gun carry in DC. This would allow the driver to fire off a few warning rounds to discourage you from blocking their right of way. No word on where gun racks would be allowed in cars. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 2:50 AM, mike wrote: How about little facts like areas with high gun control have higher crimes committed with said weapon and areas with concealed carry laws have less crime? I know silly little facts bug you leftists...get in the way of getting rid of that pesky constitution. You mean like areas that are immediately adjacent to states where felons can buy guns by the dozen and then drive over here? Why can't I walk into the Capitol with a Leatherman toolkit attached to my belt? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Because if you were asked to use it you would have to admit you have no idea how. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:15 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Aug 8, 2009, at 2:50 AM, mike wrote: Why can't I walk into the Capitol with a Leatherman toolkit attached to my belt? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: If you lived down south you would know Gun Racks go in the back window of your pick up truck along with a fishing rod or two. But then where do I hang the Stars and Bars? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Aug 8, 2009, at 4:08 AM, Eric S. Sande wrote: The gun discussion is not repeat NOT something that we need to bring up on this list. It is totally off topic unless we agree that it has relevance, which it does not. Deal. This OT topic is dead. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You dummy that is attached to the big ol CB antenna mounted to the bed of the PU. Or as a decal on the back window. Stewart At 01:30 PM 8/8/2009, you wrote: On Aug 8, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: If you lived down south you would know Gun Racks go in the back window of your pick up truck along with a fishing rod or two. But then where do I hang the Stars and Bars? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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As a pedestrian in the Washington, D.C. area, I'm in favor of anything that will improve my odds of survival, even by just a few percentage points. If windshield-mounted GPS units and similar devices make it more likely for pedestrians to get mowed down by vehicles, then I think that the windshield-mounted devices should be illegal. I'm aware that this might be less convenient for drivers, who might have to do something radical: plan their route before they get in the car. Once upon a time, this was SOP, and we used primitive devices called road maps and map books to do it. I have a hard time feeling sorry for people who think that it's a hardship not having a GPS stuck right in their field of vision on the windshield. The fact that people engage in a lot of other risky behavior in cars, with or without computerized components, is no argument in favor of allowing windshield-mounted GPS units. They're a distraction, however slight, and the difference between getting across the street safely and getting turned into something like Prego spaghetti sauce on the hood of a car can be just a fraction of a second. --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
