Re: [CGUYS] Crazy Adoption Rate for Snow Leopard
At 11:59 PM -0400 10/4/09, t.piwowar wrote: Are people out of their minds? This report says that 20% of Macs are now running Snow Leopard. That's insane. Apple has shipped its first updates to X.6.1 but there are still many reports of odd behavior. The one about fonts is a show stopper for me. Maybe it is the $25 price that got everyone moving. Has any one on the list upgraded to Snow Leopard? I'm waiting to install it until all my must-have apps are SL-ready. Looks like it will be Real Soon Now. -- Roger Lovettsville, VA * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Crazy Adoption Rate for Snow Leopard
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:59 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Are people out of their minds? This report says that 20% of Macs are now running Snow Leopard. That's insane. Apple has shipped its first updates to X.6.1 but there are still many reports of odd behavior. The one about fonts is a show stopper for me. Maybe it is the $25 price that got everyone moving. Has any one on the list upgraded to Snow Leopard? I have not. I will not do so until certain apps I need are compatible and until updates correct certain problems. Actually, I never install an initial release of anything. Besides being a dubious thing to do, I am also not so anxiety ridden as to be so overly anxious that I cannot wait a bit for improvements to be made and bugs to be ironed out. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Crazy Adoption Rate for Snow Leopard
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:59 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Are people out of their minds? This report says that 20% of Macs are now running Snow Leopard. That's insane. Apple has shipped its first updates to X.6.1 but there are still many reports of odd behavior. The one about fonts is a show stopper for me. Maybe it is the $25 price that got everyone moving. Has any one on the list upgraded to Snow Leopard? Eighteen percent of Mac users are running Snow Leopard just one month after its release, according to Web metrics firm Net Applications. That’s a remarkable upgrade rate for the latest iteration of OS X, especially considering Snow Leopard is Intel only. Overall, OS X now represents 5.12 percent of the worldwide OS market, up from 4.87 percent in August. While that might seem like a small increase, it’s up 37 percent from a year ago, and the platform is seeing a continuing a steady rise. In contrast, Windows has now fallen below 93 percent, though the release of Windows 7 will likely result in a temporary spike. Nonetheless, OS X is moving up, as is iPhone OS. http://theappleblog.com/2009/10/01/snow-leopards-leaps-in-market-share/ 3 I've been running Snow Leopard since the weekend of the release. No real problems but I skipped up from Tiger and it was starting to act up. Most annoying thing is that the print options in most programs seem to have changed and there is no option in the File Menu for making a selection - it now is all or nothing. We had to update one peice of software. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Crazy Adoption Rate for Snow Leopard
The day Snow Leopard came out, I looked at the compatibility list, didn't see any deal-breakers for me, and upgraded that day. Of course, I made very sure that my Time Machine was working and updated a clone of my hard drive just before upgrading just to be on the safe side. It was cheap, easy and safe for me to upgrade, so why not? Apparently, many users feel this way about it. I wasn't completely problem-free, but the problems were manageable enough that I didn't feel like I needed to revert, and all my issues seem to be fixed now. The main problem I had was with EyeTV which was listed as compatible but should have been listed as compatible with some issues. It would take so long to launch and get to the point of presenting a live TV window that for a while I thought it was hanging. Most users didn't have this problem, I was just unlucky. I eventually figured out that I needed to start the program a long time before I actually wanted it, and an update last week fixed the problem altogether. I really like Snow Leopard. To give just one example, I really like the control over Flash that I have in Safari on Snow Leopard. I can quit the Flash plugin process and not be bothered by annoying flash ads on any of my open pages. If I actually want flash content on a page, I just refresh the page. I don't regularly use layout or presentation software, so the font problem is not an issue for me, but it doesn't seem like a particularly big one for anyone. As I understand it, is only a problem with character spacing for Type 1 postscript fonts, and then essentially only for Keynote or QuarkXPress, and then only for documents created in Tiger or Leopard and moved to Snow Leopard. What other odd Snow Leopard behaviors have you been seeing or hearing about? On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:00 AM, COMPUTERGUYS-L automatic digest system wrote: From:t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com Subject: Crazy Adoption Rate for Snow Leopard Are people out of their minds? This report says that 20% of Macs are now running Snow Leopard. That's insane. Apple has shipped its first updates to X.6.1 but there are still many reports of odd behavior. The one about fonts is a show stopper for me. Maybe it is the $25 price that got everyone moving. Has any one on the list upgraded to Snow Leopard? Eighteen percent of Mac users are running Snow Leopard just one month after its release, according to Web metrics firm Net Applications. That‚s a remarkable upgrade rate for the latest iteration of OS X, especially considering Snow Leopard is Intel only. Overall, OS X now represents 5.12 percent of the worldwide OS market, up from 4.87 percent in August. While that might seem like a small increase, it‚s up 37 percent from a year ago, and the platform is seeing a continuing a steady rise. In contrast, Windows has now fallen below 93 percent, though the release of Windows 7 will likely result in a temporary spike. Nonetheless, OS X is moving up, as is iPhone OS. http://theappleblog.com/2009/10/01/snow-leopards-leaps-in-market- share/ * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Crazy Adoption Rate for Snow Leopard
Most annoying thing is that the print options in most programs seem to have changed and there is no option in the File Menu for making a selection - it now is all or nothing. We had to update one peice of software. I think that was a Leopard change, and only in some programs. In Preview, for example, the default mini dialog box shows the printer name, presets, and buttons for print, cancel, preview and PDF. When you click on the little triangle to the right of the printer name, the dialog expands to many more very useful details. Does that help? Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Crazy Adoption Rate for Snow Leopard
On Oct 5, 2009, at 2:43 PM, David K Watson wrote: I don't regularly use layout or presentation software, so the font problem is not an issue for me, but it doesn't seem like a particularly big one for anyone. As I understand it, is only a problem with character spacing for Type 1 postscript fonts, and then essentially only for Keynote or QuarkXPress, and then only for documents created in Tiger or Leopard and moved to Snow Leopard. The font problem is worse than you report. It messes up TrueType and OpenType fonts too. Some apologists for Apple say that you can just adjust the type specs to get spacing back to right, but these are hopeless programmers who know nothing about typography. The numbers that they say to randomly adjust have meaning, they are not random. A professional knows what these numbers should be. Apple has fundamentally broken the system by which type is specified. Clueless NeXTies have struck again. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Crazy Adoption Rate for Snow Leopard
The font problem is worse than you report. It messes up TrueType and OpenType fonts too. Some apologists for Apple say that you can just adjust the type specs to get spacing back to right, but these are hopeless programmers who know nothing about typography. The numbers that they say to randomly adjust have meaning, they are not random. A professional knows what these numbers should be. Apple has fundamentally broken the system by which type is specified. Clueless NeXTies have struck again. No matter how much it ruins your day, and mine, few people understand fonts or even need to be concerned. The death of print media has been announced prematurely. Font problems have been with us since monotype, no, since calligraphy, and persist in digital form, crashing apps, making layouts barely legible. Since it affects so few of us directly, the problems are fixed slowly, even though it has huge influence over any media that will be read--print or virtual. Hardly anyone notices except that things will be harder to read. Eh! Americans don't read much anyway, so they don't care. How long will it take to fix Snow Leopard? It's only been out a month. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Crazy Adoption Rate for Snow Leopard
On Oct 5, 2009, at 11:46 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: How long will it take to fix Snow Leopard? It's only been out a month. That's not the point. It was not broke and now it is. It represents the generally slovenly attitude towards computing that the NeXTies brought to Apple. The thing that makes M$ products so repulsive is that they are created by eighty-percenters. Apple used to be a company that would always sweat the details. They don't anymore. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Crazy Adoption Rate for Snow Leopard
Are people out of their minds? This report says that 20% of Macs are now running Snow Leopard. That's insane. Apple has shipped its first updates to X.6.1 but there are still many reports of odd behavior. The one about fonts is a show stopper for me. Maybe it is the $25 price that got everyone moving. Has any one on the list upgraded to Snow Leopard? Eighteen percent of Mac users are running Snow Leopard just one month after its release, according to Web metrics firm Net Applications. That’s a remarkable upgrade rate for the latest iteration of OS X, especially considering Snow Leopard is Intel only. Overall, OS X now represents 5.12 percent of the worldwide OS market, up from 4.87 percent in August. While that might seem like a small increase, it’s up 37 percent from a year ago, and the platform is seeing a continuing a steady rise. In contrast, Windows has now fallen below 93 percent, though the release of Windows 7 will likely result in a temporary spike. Nonetheless, OS X is moving up, as is iPhone OS. http://theappleblog.com/2009/10/01/snow-leopards-leaps-in-market-share/ 3 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
