Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
It should be understood that, in the electronics/electrical industry, the law is very clear: even if the only thing that happened to a device is that the package was opened or the tape ripped, it cannot be sold as new. And that includes ALL of the contents of the device. So it goes back to a service depot of some kind and is checked out by a technician and then re-packaged and sold as factory refurbished. And if, for instance, the case was damaged in transit but the guts are fine, those guts cannot be included in a new unit - at most, they have to be part of a refurbished piece. The reality is that failed components are never actually re-worked these days. If, for instance, the video board failed in a new computer, the board is discarded, a new board is installed, the unit is tested, and it is sold as refurbished. So the customer is getting a product that is new for practical purposes but refurbished for legal purposes. I suspect that, in most cases, the manufacturer is happy to break even on a refurbished unit, but that is better than writing it off as a loss. Of course, the above is a generalization, but it was true for 90% of the companies when I was a product manager in the industry. Mike Tom Piwowar wrote: I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new price for a used/refurbished camera. Yes, it does say refurbished by NIKON includes warranty but I don't think that justifies the price. Same thing is true for refurb Macs. You get a couple of hundred bucks off. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new price for a used/refurbished camera. Yes, it does say refurbished by NIKON includes warranty but I don't think that justifies the price. When new, the D70 body sold for $1,099 (the kit with 18-70mm AF-S lens was $1,299), so even though they're taking almost $200 off, I'd still pass. Given the choice between a new camera or a used/refurb'd camera, I'd go with the new. I'm not saying anything bad about the D70. I absolutely love mine, but I can't justify that cost ($900) for a used/refurb'd camera. Someone else referred to Ken Rockwell's website. He's got great reviews of the cameras and his recommendation is the D40. If you want to see examples of what the D40 can do, take a look at www.kenrockwell.com/ryan/index.htm - those are pictures of his first baby. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Meyer Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:59 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting The google products search on Nikon D70 turn up listings in the first half page for about $900 from numerous different stores. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Larry Sacks lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Larry Sacks lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 12:34 PM Tom makes an excellent point. Nearly all point and shoot digital cameras go to work once you press the shutter release button down to take the picture. You can defeat that somewhat by anticipating the shot. Of course, that works a lot easier with subjects that are going on a predictable course - like say cars on a track. With kids, pets, birds, etc, it becomes more of a challenge since just because they're going in one direction at the time, doesn't mean they'll continue on that path in the next millisecond. As someone else said, FPS does not necessarily equate to a better camera. FPS is if you just want to throw frames at an event - but that doesn't guarantee you'll actually get the shot you want. In my photography business (and for the work I do for paper), I rarely shoot in burst mode.Ken Rockwell's website (www.kenrockwell.com) is definitely a great place to go look for information. Ken is a into cameras and buys equipment as soon as it's available. While he's mostly looked at Nikons in the past, he's not a Nikon bigot. He's got lots of good, practical advice. The D70 and the D40 are both great cameras. I have a D70 and my brother has a D40. I've put about 25,000 (or so) shots through my D70. My brother recently got his D40 and I've used it too.The D70 you're looking at is almost definitely used as the D70 line was dropped in around 2005 or so. The D40 is newer and somewhat lighter.In your original email, you said the D40 was about $500 less.I'd go with the D40. You could probably use the savings (if you're okay with stimulating the economy and spending money you were thinking of spending) and get one of the D40 kits. Most come with an 18-55mm lens (either VR or non-VR) or the 18-55mm and the 55-200mm (also VR or non-VR). (VR is Nikon's Vibration Resistance technology - sort of an image stabilization but it's minimizes shake when taking pictures under certain circumstances. Just know that it works really nicely). OR... you could spend a bit more, get the D40 with the 18-55mm lens and then get Nikon's 18-200mm VR lens. That's a fantastic lens and it'll handle 99.999% of what you need to shoot. The only catch is the 18-200mm VR goes for about $679.95 (yeah, it's an expensive lens). Just out of curiosity, what store is selling the D70 and for how much? Larry P.S. Don't forget to get a UV filter for any and all lenses you get. Some camera shops will try to sell you something *really* expensive, but you don't need to spend all that much money on it. The UV filter is there to protect the lens from things that might strike the glass. It also does a dandy job on fingerprints (smudges like that are too close to the lens when they're on the filter, so they won't affect the shot. Smudges on the lens however, will). And it's far, far better and cheaper to have a $30 UV filter get broken than a $700 lens. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:34 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting gt;Camera newbie question.amp;nbsp; I hate shutter lag in digital cameras.amp;nbsp; gt;The frames per secondamp;nbsp; rate in the Nikon D70amp;nbsp; 3 fps whereas the gt;D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Note that shutter lag and frames per second are not related. Shutter lag depends on how quickly the camera sets up for the shot (focus, metering, etc
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new price for a used/refurbished camera. Yes, it does say refurbished by NIKON includes warranty but I don't think that justifies the price. When new, the D70 body sold for $1,099 (the kit with 18-70mm AF-S lens was $1,299), so even though they're taking almost $200 off, I'd still pass. That is, of course, up to you. It really depends on the company, but most reputable companies offer equipment indistinguishable from new under the refurb label. I have purchased half a dozen refurbished items, including a digital camera, and three of them were still in the otriginal packaging. (Including the camera). Someone clearly bought it and returned it wiithout ever opening it. But at that point it is used. I do agree that warrantees are important. It may well be worth paying $200 for a longer guaranteed replacement period of a year as opposed to 60 days. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
Perhaps I should have been more specific. I wasn't questioning the refurb status since the work was performed by Nikon as I'm sure Nikon is a good place to go to have one of their cameras refurbished. What I was questioning was the cost and to a lesser extent, the original need for the refurb work performed. Did the camera suffer from the BGLOD (Blinking Green Light of Death seen on some early D70s that Nikon repaired as a warranty item), was it abused - dropped in water, on concrete, etc, or was it sent in to merely have the CCD cleaned? The phrase refurbished can mean any one of a number of things and the vagueness of it leaves one to wonder (at least I usually do) what happened. Buying a camera someone returned in the original box with the original packaging is much different than buying a refurbished camera and I wasn't including that in my definition of used. By used, I meant a camera that has been used and possibly abused. I've pumped about 26,000 or so shots through my D70 and if I were to sell it, I don't think I'd ask or even hope I could get $900 (even if I sent it into Nikon to have them check it out and clean the CCD), but maybe I'm just setting my sights too low. By abused, I've seen some cameras that have been banged, dropped and generally mistreated that I would have a tough time considering getting even if they were refurbished. If they were and were priced at around $100, then I might consider it, but $900? I'd have a tough time at that price point. Now if the company doing the refurb work were to tell you what they did, what condition the camera was in (what was wrong with it, etc, etc) and maybe include some before pictures, then I might start to think about the $400 - $600 range. But $900? I'd still have a tough time going that high. As for the warranty, I'd be careful with a 3rd party warranty. I've seen some that are definitely good and others that really are just added profit for the company selling them. Nikon offers an extended warranty as do most reputable camera stores. I'm split on that. When the camera is down, that can be an issue. I've had my D70 since November 2004 and had to send it in for repair in 2007. It was completely out of warranty but Nikon repaired it for free and got it back to me within 4 days. To me, that spoke volumes of good things about Nikon. I did have a backup camera I was able to use - my old fully manual 35mm film SLR. If I didn't have a backup camera (and working for a paper, I kind of need a camera almost all the time), I'd have had to rent or find someone that would let me borrow their camera. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John DeCarlo Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:42 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new price for a used/refurbished camera. Yes, it does say refurbished by NIKON includes warranty but I don't think that justifies the price. When new, the D70 body sold for $1,099 (the kit with 18-70mm AF-S lens was $1,299), so even though they're taking almost $200 off, I'd still pass. That is, of course, up to you. It really depends on the company, but most reputable companies offer equipment indistinguishable from new under the refurb label. I have purchased half a dozen refurbished items, including a digital camera, and three of them were still in the otriginal packaging. (Including the camera). Someone clearly bought it and returned it wiithout ever opening it. But at that point it is used. I do agree that warrantees are important. It may well be worth paying $200 for a longer guaranteed replacement period of a year as opposed to 60 days. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
I had no idea you could still pay pretty close to new price for a used/refurbished camera. Yes, it does say refurbished by NIKON includes warranty but I don't think that justifies the price. Same thing is true for refurb Macs. You get a couple of hundred bucks off. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
I usually find it is best to buy refubs from the manufacturer and not the open market. I have gotten some really good deals from Epson and Kodak on refurb electronics. They usually give manufacturers warranty with them, and sometimes even throw in free shipping. Stewart At 06:39 PM 6/6/2008, you wrote: Same thing is true for refurb Macs. You get a couple of hundred bucks off. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
Camera newbie question.nbsp; I hate shutter lag in digital cameras.nbsp; The frames per secondnbsp; rate in the Nikon D70nbsp; 3 fps whereas the D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Note that shutter lag and frames per second are not related. Shutter lag depends on how quickly the camera sets up for the shot (focus, metering, etc.) while FPS depends on how well the camera disposes of the shot (size of internal buffer, transfer speed to memory card, etc.). Plus the kind of memory card you use will affect the FPS rating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
Tom makes an excellent point. Nearly all point and shoot digital cameras go to work once you press the shutter release button down to take the picture. You can defeat that somewhat by anticipating the shot. Of course, that works a lot easier with subjects that are going on a predictable course - like say cars on a track. With kids, pets, birds, etc, it becomes more of a challenge since just because they're going in one direction at the time, doesn't mean they'll continue on that path in the next millisecond. As someone else said, FPS does not necessarily equate to a better camera. FPS is if you just want to throw frames at an event - but that doesn't guarantee you'll actually get the shot you want. In my photography business (and for the work I do for paper), I rarely shoot in burst mode. Ken Rockwell's website (www.kenrockwell.com) is definitely a great place to go look for information. Ken is a into cameras and buys equipment as soon as it's available. While he's mostly looked at Nikons in the past, he's not a Nikon bigot. He's got lots of good, practical advice. The D70 and the D40 are both great cameras. I have a D70 and my brother has a D40. I've put about 25,000 (or so) shots through my D70. My brother recently got his D40 and I've used it too. The D70 you're looking at is almost definitely used as the D70 line was dropped in around 2005 or so. The D40 is newer and somewhat lighter. In your original email, you said the D40 was about $500 less. I'd go with the D40. You could probably use the savings (if you're okay with stimulating the economy and spending money you were thinking of spending) and get one of the D40 kits. Most come with an 18-55mm lens (either VR or non-VR) or the 18-55mm and the 55-200mm (also VR or non-VR). (VR is Nikon's Vibration Resistance technology - sort of an image stabilization but it's minimizes shake when taking pictures under certain circumstances. Just know that it works really nicely). OR... you could spend a bit more, get the D40 with the 18-55mm lens and then get Nikon's 18-200mm VR lens. That's a fantastic lens and it'll handle 99.999% of what you need to shoot. The only catch is the 18-200mm VR goes for about $679.95 (yeah, it's an expensive lens). Just out of curiosity, what store is selling the D70 and for how much? Larry P.S. Don't forget to get a UV filter for any and all lenses you get. Some camera shops will try to sell you something *really* expensive, but you don't need to spend all that much money on it. The UV filter is there to protect the lens from things that might strike the glass. It also does a dandy job on fingerprints (smudges like that are too close to the lens when they're on the filter, so they won't affect the shot. Smudges on the lens however, will). And it's far, far better and cheaper to have a $30 UV filter get broken than a $700 lens. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:34 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting Camera newbie question.nbsp; I hate shutter lag in digital cameras.nbsp; The frames per secondnbsp; rate in the Nikon D70nbsp; 3 fps whereas the D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Note that shutter lag and frames per second are not related. Shutter lag depends on how quickly the camera sets up for the shot (focus, metering, etc.) while FPS depends on how well the camera disposes of the shot (size of internal buffer, transfer speed to memory card, etc.). Plus the kind of memory card you use will affect the FPS rating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The google products search on Nikon D70 turn up listings in the first half page for about $900 from numerous different stores. Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Thu, 6/5/08, Larry Sacks lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Larry Sacks lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008, 12:34 PM Tom makes an excellent point. Nearly all point and shoot digital cameras go to work once you press the shutter release button down to take the picture. You can defeat that somewhat by anticipating the shot. Of course, that works a lot easier with subjects that are going on a predictable course - like say cars on a track. With kids, pets, birds, etc, it becomes more of a challenge since just because they're going in one direction at the time, doesn't mean they'll continue on that path in the next millisecond. As someone else said, FPS does not necessarily equate to a better camera. FPS is if you just want to throw frames at an event - but that doesn't guarantee you'll actually get the shot you want. In my photography business (and for the work I do for paper), I rarely shoot in burst mode.Ken Rockwell's website (www.kenrockwell.com) is definitely a great place to go look for information. Ken is a into cameras and buys equipment as soon as it's available. While he's mostly looked at Nikons in the past, he's not a Nikon bigot. He's got lots of good, practical advice. The D70 and the D40 are both great cameras. I have a D70 and my brother has a D40. I've put about 25,000 (or so) shots through my D70. My brother recently got his D40 and I've used it too.The D70 you're looking at is almost definitely used as the D70 line was dropped in around 2005 or so. The D40 is newer and somewhat lighter. In your original email, you said the D40 was about $500 less.I'd go with the D40. You could probably use the savings (if you're okay with stimulating the economy and spending money you were thinking of spending) and get one of the D40 kits. Most come with an 18-55mm lens (either VR or non-VR) or the 18-55mm and the 55-200mm (also VR or non-VR). (VR is Nikon's Vibration Resistance technology - sort of an image stabilization but it's minimizes shake when taking pictures under certain circumstances. Just know that it works really nicely). OR... you could spend a bit more, get the D40 with the 18-55mm lens and then get Nikon's 18-200mm VR lens. That's a fantastic lens and it'll handle 99.999% of what you need to shoot. The only catch is the 18-200mm VR goes for about $679.95 (yeah, it's an expensive lens).Just out of curiosity, what store is selling the D70 and for how much? Larry P.S. Don't forget to get a UV filter for any and all lenses you get. Some camera shops will try to sell you something *really* expensive, but you don't need to spend all that much money on it. The UV filter is there to protect the lens from things that might strike the glass. It also does a dandy job on fingerprints (smudges like that are too close to the lens when they're on the filter, so they won't affect the shot. Smudges on the lens however, will). And it's far, far better and cheaper to have a $30 UV filter get broken than a $700 lens. -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 7:34 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting gt;Camera newbie question.amp;nbsp; I hate shutter lag in digital cameras.amp;nbsp; gt;The frames per secondamp;nbsp; rate in the Nikon D70amp;nbsp; 3 fps whereas the gt;D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Note that shutter lag and frames per second are not related. Shutter lag depends on how quickly the camera sets up for the shot (focus, metering, etc.) while FPS depends on how well the camera disposes of the shot (size of internal buffer, transfer speed to memory card, etc.). Plus the kind of memory card you use will affect the FPS rating. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
* And it's far, far better and cheaper to have a $30 UV filter get broken than a $700 lens. * Hear, hear! I recently picked the pieces of my $30 UV filter out of my $800 Cannon zoom lens, and not a scratch on the lens itself! Something hard must have hit the camera bag in the trunk during a long trip, and the UV filter saved the lens! - Brian * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
Camera newbie question.nbsp; I hate shutter lag in digital cameras.nbsp; The frames per secondnbsp; rate in the Nikon D70nbsp; 3 fps whereas the D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Given that the D40 is about $500 less,nbsp; how adequate (e.g. for shooting pictures of one's children) is the D40'snbsp; shooting rate? -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Richard P. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Richard P. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [CGUYS] over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 1:32 PM I was referring to point-and-shoot digital cameras that have the lag. It's good to know that DSLR's don't have this issue, but until their price gets down to a more reasonable level, I'll have to wait. Thanks for the clarification. Richard P. gt; Are we talking DSLR's or point and shoot Digitals? gt; gt; With a DSLR, the shutter lag is practically non-existent. I shoot with gt; a Nikon D70 DSLR that I use for everything from sports, racing, gt; weddings, fires, etc. gt; gt; With a point-and-shoot digital, the shutter lag can be very frustrating. gt; I used one every now and then and have found you have to anticipate the gt; shot - get the focal point preset and wait for the action to come to gt; you. Of course it's easier for racing photography than for a football gt; game. :-) gt; gt; Larry gt; gt; gt; The digital shutter lag is something I was never able to overcome. By gt; the time the camera had figured out that it was taking a picture, the gt; moment was over. Now I use digital for primarily still/staged shots. If gt; I capture a moment in digital, it is more often accidental, as opposed gt; gt; to a mechanical shutter which one could anticipate and depend upon. gt; gt; Richard P. gt; gt; gt; gt; * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
Paul - Agonising over fps is what the marketing guys want you to do, right up there with obssesing about fake megapixel ratings. Get yourself to a store, try the D40, if you like it, buy it. The D70 is yesterday's great camera, not today's. Check this for more: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm DSLR shutter lag is negligible; however, only the high-end digital cameras come up to the response of mechanical cameras. If you make your rent money shooting, you will notice even infinitesimal lag; if not, probably not. There is no practical difference between 3fps and 2.5fps. Chad --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 8:24 PM Camera newbie question.nbsp; I hate shutter lag in digital cameras.nbsp; The frames per secondnbsp; rate in the Nikon D70nbsp; 3 fps whereas the D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Given that the D40 is about $500 less,nbsp; how adequate (e.g. for shooting pictures of one's children) is the D40'snbsp; shooting rate? -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Richard P. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: From: Richard P. lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [CGUYS] over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 1:32 PM I was referring to point-and-shoot digital cameras that have the lag. It's good to know that DSLR's don't have this issue, but until their price gets down to a more reasonable level, I'll have to wait. Thanks for the clarification. Richard P. gt; Are we talking DSLR's or point and shoot Digitals? gt; gt; With a DSLR, the shutter lag is practically non-existent. I shoot with gt; a Nikon D70 DSLR that I use for everything from sports, racing, gt; weddings, fires, etc. gt; gt; With a point-and-shoot digital, the shutter lag can be very frustrating. gt; I used one every now and then and have found you have to anticipate the gt; shot - get the focal point preset and wait for the action to come to gt; you. Of course it's easier for racing photography than for a football gt; game. :-) gt; gt; Larry gt; gt; gt; The digital shutter lag is something I was never able to overcome. By gt; the time the camera had figured out that it was taking a picture, the gt; moment was over. Now I use digital for primarily still/staged shots. If gt; I capture a moment in digital, it is more often accidental, as opposed gt; gt; to a mechanical shutter which one could anticipate and depend upon. gt; gt; Richard P. gt; gt; gt; gt; * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting
If you have a sport setting on your cheap digital camera it has a less of a lag. On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:10 PM, chad evans wyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul - Agonising over fps is what the marketing guys want you to do, right up there with obssesing about fake megapixel ratings. Get yourself to a store, try the D40, if you like it, buy it. The D70 is yesterday's great camera, not today's. Check this for more: http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/recommended-cameras.htm DSLR shutter lag is negligible; however, only the high-end digital cameras come up to the response of mechanical cameras. If you make your rent money shooting, you will notice even infinitesimal lag; if not, probably not. There is no practical difference between 3fps and 2.5fps. Chad --- On Wed, 6/4/08, Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Paul Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] DSLR question (was over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 8:24 PM Camera newbie question. I hate shutter lag in digital cameras. The frames per second rate in the Nikon D70 3 fps whereas the D40 specs claims 2.5 fps. Given that the D40 is about $500 less, how adequate (e.g. for shooting pictures of one's children) is the D40's shooting rate? -Paul Meyer Checkout One Laptop Per Child project laptop.org --- On Wed, 5/28/08, Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CGUYS] over shooting To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 1:32 PM I was referring to point-and-shoot digital cameras that have the lag. It's good to know that DSLR's don't have this issue, but until their price gets down to a more reasonable level, I'll have to wait. Thanks for the clarification. Richard P. Are we talking DSLR's or point and shoot Digitals? With a DSLR, the shutter lag is practically non-existent. I shoot with a Nikon D70 DSLR that I use for everything from sports, racing, weddings, fires, etc. With a point-and-shoot digital, the shutter lag can be very frustrating. I used one every now and then and have found you have to anticipate the shot - get the focal point preset and wait for the action to come to you. Of course it's easier for racing photography than for a football game. :-) Larry The digital shutter lag is something I was never able to overcome. By the time the camera had figured out that it was taking a picture, the moment was over. Now I use digital for primarily still/staged shots. If I capture a moment in digital, it is more often accidental, as opposed to a mechanical shutter which one could anticipate and depend upon. Richard P. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
