Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
-Original Message- From: Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net Sent: Nov 2, 2009 2:36 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 At 01:41 AM 11/2/2009 -0200, you wrote: Sue you can still download Eudora 7 from the site www.eudora.com. And if you have your serial number you can make it a paid copy. Marcio Yes, I'm using 7.1.0.9, paid copy. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Me too... Not to send this e-mail. For this one I am using Earthlink Web Mail. Works fine. Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Yes it does. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote: I haven't really searched, but does T'Bird have the colored labels? I use that feature in Eudora quite often. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I have installed Eudora 7 (paid) on Windows 7 without any problems. Installing on my D drive in the D:\eudora directory and the attachments in the D:\eudora\attach sub directory. It is very configurable and just works. The main reason I installed it on my D drive is that has a lot more space and the C drive is a SSD. I have been using Eudora since the 80's when it first came out. believe my first version was something like 2.2 or so. Whenever I get a new main computer, I always install Eudora in the same directory name and then don't execute the program, I copy the whole sub directory and below to the new computers Eudora directory and all is well. Never a problem and I won't change until they pry the email from my cold dead fingers. GGG Rich PS: I support clients with Outlook as that is what pays for my toys.. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
On Nov 1, 2009, at 1:20 AM, Marcio wrote: I have asked and I repeat... what is a better alternative today? Or at least comparable?... And mind you I do use web mail too... Can't say because our EFBs have not articulated any serious reasons for sticking with Eudora. I resisted switching away from my Claris Emailer to such an extent that I kept an old OS 9 configuration running for over 5 years just so I could keep my Emailer. I found the transition to Apple Mail to be fairly painless and now very much appreciate the newer email features that I get from a more modern program. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
At 01:46 PM 11/1/2009 -0500, you wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 1:20 AM, Marcio wrote: I have asked and I repeat... what is a better alternative today? Or at least comparable?... And mind you I do use web mail too... Can't say because our EFBs have not articulated any serious reasons for sticking with Eudora. The biggest reason for my sticking with it is that it does what I want an email program to do. Why should I switch? I'm certainly not interested in pink backgrounds with yellow writing (stationeries) and animated smilies! I'd like to know what others think an email program _should do_ that Eudora doesn't. Long ago I switched from IE to (first) Mozilla and then Firefox. Initially it was because of all the pop-ups that couldn't be controlled within IE, and I saw no reason to install a pop-up blocker in IE when one was built in to Firefox. I switched from Norton AV to AVG because I ended up with all kinds of problems with Norton. I'll never put it on another machine I am associated with. AVG has never given me any problems and the price is good. :) I also run Avast on another machine, mainly because I wanted to compare AVG and Avast, and am happy with that also. I see no reason to switch either of those. I do have Thunderbird installed on a machine, mainly so that I can guide others with its use. It appears to be a fine program too, although it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of real Eudora. I haven't really searched, but does T'Bird have the colored labels? I use that feature in Eudora quite often. I also like the 'trainable' junk feature--much simpler than setting up filters, and it works very well. If Eudora quits working, I guess I'll have no choice but to switch. Until then, I see no good reason to do it. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Sue you pretty well sum it up. I don't use the colored labels, but It is just something that works and works well. Tom you keep trying to convince us that Apple is the way to go. Well Eudora is one of those programs that just seems to work without a lot of bugs, reboots or p[roblems, kind of like that Mac OS you keep touting. Stewart At 04:16 PM 11/1/2009, you wrote: The biggest reason for my sticking with it is that it does what I want an email program to do. Why should I switch? I'm certainly not interested in pink backgrounds with yellow writing (stationeries) and animated smilies! I'd like to know what others think an email program _should do_ that Eudora doesn't. Long ago I switched from IE to (first) Mozilla and then Firefox. Initially it was because of all the pop-ups that couldn't be controlled within IE, and I saw no reason to install a pop-up blocker in IE when one was built in to Firefox. I switched from Norton AV to AVG because I ended up with all kinds of problems with Norton. I'll never put it on another machine I am associated with. AVG has never given me any problems and the price is good. :) I also run Avast on another machine, mainly because I wanted to compare AVG and Avast, and am happy with that also. I see no reason to switch either of those. I do have Thunderbird installed on a machine, mainly so that I can guide others with its use. It appears to be a fine program too, although it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of real Eudora. I haven't really searched, but does T'Bird have the colored labels? I use that feature in Eudora quite often. I also like the 'trainable' junk feature--much simpler than setting up filters, and it works very well. If Eudora quits working, I guess I'll have no choice but to switch. Until then, I see no good reason to do it. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: The biggest reason for my sticking with it is that it does what I want an email program to do. Why should I switch? I'm certainly not interested in pink backgrounds with yellow writing (stationeries) and animated smilies! Pogue's got your number (replace XP with Eudora)... Yes, Windows XP remains a stalwart, reliable, brisk operating system. At the same time, sticking with XP forever isn’t a slam-dunk, either. You miss out on better security, better looks, better search and a huge number of convenience features. And over time, more and more cool products and services will require more recent software. http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/pogue-answers-reader-questions-on-windows-7/#more-1529 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom you keep trying to convince us that Apple is the way to go. Incorrect. I am just comparing Eudora to the email client I use daily, the one I know best. Don't forget that Eudora runs on Macs too. You could convince me to switch, but you are not doing a very good job of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: I do have Thunderbird installed on a machine, mainly so that I can guide others with its use. It appears to be a fine program too, although it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of real Eudora. I haven't really searched, but does T'Bird have the colored labels? I use that feature in Eudora quite often. I also like the 'trainable' junk feature--much simpler than setting up filters, and it works very well. I don't know if TBird does but my Apple Mail does. Does Eudora have smart folders or just filters? With filters an email can only reside in one place. With smart folders I can sort the same email into multiple categories. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Let us know when that time is. It has not come yet. Stewart At 05:01 PM 11/1/2009, you wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: The biggest reason for my sticking with it is that it does what I want an email program to do. Why should I switch? I'm certainly not interested in pink backgrounds with yellow writing (stationeries) and animated smilies! Pogue's got your number (replace XP with Eudora)... Yes, Windows XP remains a stalwart, reliable, brisk operating system. At the same time, sticking with XP forever isn't a slam-dunk, either. You miss out on better security, better looks, better search and a huge number of convenience features. And over time, more and more cool products and services will require more recent software. http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/pogue-answers-reader-questions-on-windows-7/#more-1529 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
My job is not convince you. My job is just to tell you enough that you will do it on your own. If I am not that good of persuader than my job is done. Enjoy. Stewart At 05:07 PM 11/1/2009, you wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom you keep trying to convince us that Apple is the way to go. Incorrect. I am just comparing Eudora to the email client I use daily, the one I know best. Don't forget that Eudora runs on Macs too. You could convince me to switch, but you are not doing a very good job of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I used Eudora for some time on my mac, am I remembering correctly that it was mac only at one point? On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 4:07 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom you keep trying to convince us that Apple is the way to go. Incorrect. I am just comparing Eudora to the email client I use daily, the one I know best. Don't forget that Eudora runs on Macs too. You could convince me to switch, but you are not doing a very good job of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I have been using Eudora on a PC since my first real Internet connection, and that was before Windows 95. Eudora 1.1? I remember having to download Netscape. Configure the DNS servers etc. plus my dial up connection. Stewart At 05:42 PM 11/1/2009, you wrote: I used Eudora for some time on my mac, am I remembering correctly that it was mac only at one point? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
At 05:42 PM 11/1/2009, you wrote: I used Eudora for some time on my mac, am I remembering correctly that it was mac only at one point? Probably. PowerPoint was first Mac only until M$ bought the company. M$ first developed Excel for the Mac (calling it MultiPlan). M$ first developed Word for the Mac. Etc. Etc. Etc. Much is just a poor copy of Mac. But why get the original when you can have a cheap copy? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Au Contraire monime. A little bit of rewriting history? 1986 ATT IBM computer had MS Word. DOS version. Dad worked for ATT and they got all MS products at a deep discount have a whole shelf full of them. Multiplan was multi platform. Used it on a different computer. Stewart At 06:40 PM 11/1/2009, you wrote: Probably. PowerPoint was first Mac only until M$ bought the company. M$ first developed Excel for the Mac (calling it MultiPlan). M$ first developed Word for the Mac. Etc. Etc. Etc. Much is just a poor copy of Mac. But why get the original when you can have a cheap copy? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
On Nov 1, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: 1986 ATT IBM computer had MS Word. DOS version. Word for MS-DOS used the word Word in its title, but that program was nothing like what anyone would associate with M$ Word... in Word for MS-DOS, a file would be saved with the sequence Escape-T- S: pressing Escape called up the menu box, T accessed the set of options for Transfer and S was for Save... etc. Multiplan was multi platform. Eventually it was. Neither of these predecessors got any significant sales until they retooled to copy what was already on the Mac. Of course with WFBs thinking the Zune is equivalent to the iPod Touch, so there is no telling what kind of wild claims may be made. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Not sure how the zune is to a WFB, but to regular people it is better hardware and geared more towards those who enjoy finding new music more often then not. As an app platform? Not the way to go. On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 7:20 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Of course with WFBs thinking the Zune is equivalent to the iPod Touch, so there is no telling what kind of wild claims may be made. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
What you forgot to add was the GUI versions of Word, Excel etc. I used Multiplan on my C64. Mac came out before Windows I will give you that. But do not attempt to rewrite history. many programs were out before the Mac came about. With the new Graphical interface it did require programming changes and yes MS did have to develop these programs for the Mac because there was no Windows. So of course MS took those programs that they had been developing for a long time and used the knowledge they had gained writing GUI versions of Word etc. and made them for the MS Windows version. That is what is called a smart developer. The old company I worked for developed programs using Accucobol. With the advent of Windows Machines (Mid 90's) they had to develop new programs that would operate under a new GUI. They had to change programming languages etc. You remember your version of history I will remember the real version of history. Stewart At 08:20 PM 11/1/2009, you wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: 1986 ATT IBM computer had MS Word. DOS version. Word for MS-DOS used the word Word in its title, but that program was nothing like what anyone would associate with M$ Word... in Word for MS-DOS, a file would be saved with the sequence Escape-T- S: pressing Escape called up the menu box, T accessed the set of options for Transfer and S was for Save... etc. Multiplan was multi platform. Eventually it was. Neither of these predecessors got any significant sales until they retooled to copy what was already on the Mac. Of course with WFBs thinking the Zune is equivalent to the iPod Touch, so there is no telling what kind of wild claims may be made. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Sue you can still download Eudora 7 from the site www.eudora.com. And if you have your serial number you can make it a paid copy. Marcio -Original Message- From: Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net Sent: Nov 1, 2009 8:16 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 At 01:46 PM 11/1/2009 -0500, you wrote: On Nov 1, 2009, at 1:20 AM, Marcio wrote: I have asked and I repeat... what is a better alternative today? Or at least comparable?... And mind you I do use web mail too... Can't say because our EFBs have not articulated any serious reasons for sticking with Eudora. The biggest reason for my sticking with it is that it does what I want an email program to do. Why should I switch? I'm certainly not interested in pink backgrounds with yellow writing (stationeries) and animated smilies! I'd like to know what others think an email program _should do_ that Eudora doesn't. Long ago I switched from IE to (first) Mozilla and then Firefox. Initially it was because of all the pop-ups that couldn't be controlled within IE, and I saw no reason to install a pop-up blocker in IE when one was built in to Firefox. I switched from Norton AV to AVG because I ended up with all kinds of problems with Norton. I'll never put it on another machine I am associated with. AVG has never given me any problems and the price is good. :) I also run Avast on another machine, mainly because I wanted to compare AVG and Avast, and am happy with that also. I see no reason to switch either of those. I do have Thunderbird installed on a machine, mainly so that I can guide others with its use. It appears to be a fine program too, although it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of real Eudora. I haven't really searched, but does T'Bird have the colored labels? I use that feature in Eudora quite often. I also like the 'trainable' junk feature--much simpler than setting up filters, and it works very well. If Eudora quits working, I guess I'll have no choice but to switch. Until then, I see no good reason to do it. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Is Eudora for Mac the same as for PC? Have you really used it? Marcio -Original Message- From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com Sent: Nov 1, 2009 9:07 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 On Nov 1, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Tom you keep trying to convince us that Apple is the way to go. Incorrect. I am just comparing Eudora to the email client I use daily, the one I know best. Don't forget that Eudora runs on Macs too. You could convince me to switch, but you are not doing a very good job of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Right. The correct answer to everything in this whole thread is that local email clients are yesterday's news. Well, for anyone with broadband anyway. Once browsers became capable of running email as quickly as any other local client, there suddenly weren't too many good reasons not to do it that way. Cloud storage of emails is a slightly different subject, but it's tough to deny it's safer than local storage these days. I just recently upgraded to Win7. Total downtime to move my mail: zero. As soon as I had a browser, I had email. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:58 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: a web account anyway. I keep everything I can on the cloud, I have no need to keep email local. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Yes, but they do what Eudora does?... Marcio -Original Message- From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: Oct 31, 2009 8:27 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 Right. The correct answer to everything in this whole thread is that local email clients are yesterday's news. Well, for anyone with broadband anyway. Once browsers became capable of running email as quickly as any other local client, there suddenly weren't too many good reasons not to do it that way. Cloud storage of emails is a slightly different subject, but it's tough to deny it's safer than local storage these days. I just recently upgraded to Win7. Total downtime to move my mail: zero. As soon as I had a browser, I had email. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 12:58 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: a web account anyway. I keep everything I can on the cloud, I have no need to keep email local. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Yes, but web mail does what Eudora does? Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Oct 31, 2009 12:12 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 I used it for years, switched to Thunderbird and then Outlook and now because of crappy dsl I stick to web mail. On Oct 30, 2009 8:55 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Did you ever used it? What you would replace it with? Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Oct 30, 2009 6:45 PM To: COMPUTER... On Oct 30, 2009 1:43 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I am trying Eudora 8m Beta 7 from ... Marcio * ** List info, subsc... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The basic concept is sending and receiving email. And yes, nowadays AJAX browser clients can do that as well as any local client like Eudora. Now, when you start talking about specific services such as gmail, it's almost a different subject, because it does some things Eudora can't do easily - like store all your stuff in the cloud. OTOH, gmail still won't detach and delete attachments. Cloud storage itself is a different subject. Recently a court ordered Google to pull the plug on a gmail account (apparently only because the guy ignored his spam), and this means the account holder suddenly has no/limited access to his stored emails (depending on his offline settings). Of course, if you're using IMAP and Eudora and the same thing happened to you, you would be in the same situation. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Yes, but web mail does what Eudora does? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I sometimes end up in places and areas with no Internet connection (HORRORS? Yes Virginia there are still places like that) In that case I do not need the net because I have my email messages and can look one up if I need to. Cloud storage might be good and secure (?) But it is dependent on having a connection. Not real bright. Stewart At 08:10 AM 10/31/2009, you wrote: The basic concept is sending and receiving email. And yes, nowadays AJAX browser clients can do that as well as any local client like Eudora. Now, when you start talking about specific services such as gmail, it's almost a different subject, because it does some things Eudora can't do easily - like store all your stuff in the cloud. OTOH, gmail still won't detach and delete attachments. Cloud storage itself is a different subject. Recently a court ordered Google to pull the plug on a gmail account (apparently only because the guy ignored his spam), and this means the account holder suddenly has no/limited access to his stored emails (depending on his offline settings). Of course, if you're using IMAP and Eudora and the same thing happened to you, you would be in the same situation. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It's not about being bright. Why is it devolved to not likes/dislikes but right and stupid. I don't need my email when I can't connect, ever..never in fact. So it works perfectly for me. The few emails I want to keep for whatever reason I forward to another cloud email so they are on two...the things I REALLY want to keep I keep local as text and printed in a file. On Oct 31, 2009 7:55 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: I sometimes end up in places and areas with no Internet connection (HORRORS? Yes Virginia there are still places like that) In that case I do not need the net because I have my email messages and can look one up if I need to. Cloud storage might be good and secure (?) But it is dependent on having a connection. Not real bright. Stewart At 08:10 AM 10/31/2009, you wrote: The basic concept is sending and receiving email. And yes,... Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
At 09:43 AM 10/31/2009 -0500, you wrote: I sometimes end up in places and areas with no Internet connection (HORRORS? Yes Virginia there are still places like that) In that case I do not need the net because I have my email messages and can look one up if I need to. Cloud storage might be good and secure (?) But it is dependent on having a connection. Not real bright. I use a flash drive and a little program called EZ Back it Up to back up certain files daily. Initially, I added all of my mailbox files. It runs on a scheduler, or can be run manually. It overwrites changed files only. I have certain Eudora mailboxes included in this automatic backup. I'm lucky to get a 14,400 dialup connection at my summer house (no cable or DSL there). Web sites take forever to load. It is faster for me to download the mail, go offline to read/reply, and go back online to send. Also I'm not tying up the phone line this way. It's nice to have choices to suit one's purpose! Unless I lose the flash drive, I'm OK. :) Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I don't keep anything on flash I don't fully expect to lose. On Oct 31, 2009 8:56 AM, Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote: At 09:43 AM 10/31/2009 -0500, you wrote: I sometimes end up in places and areas with no Internet... I use a flash drive and a little program called EZ Back it Up to back up certain files daily. Initially, I added all of my mailbox files. It runs on a scheduler, or can be run manually. It overwrites changed files only. I have certain Eudora mailboxes included in this automatic backup. I'm lucky to get a 14,400 dialup connection at my summer house (no cable or DSL there). Web sites take forever to load. It is faster for me to download the mail, go offline to read/reply, and go back online to send. Also I'm not tying up the phone line this way. It's nice to have choices to suit one's purpose! Unless I lose the flash drive, I'm OK. :) Sue * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 08:59 AM 10/31/2009 -0700, you wrote: I don't keep anything on flash I don't fully expect to lose. Define lose. You fear the data disappearing, or you physically lose the flash drive? Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Either, both. I've had each happen multiple times. On Oct 31, 2009 9:26 AM, Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net wrote: At 08:59 AM 10/31/2009 -0700, you wrote: I don't keep anything on flash I don't fully expect to ... Define lose. You fear the data disappearing, or you physically lose the flash drive? Sue * ** List info, sub... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:59 AM, mike wrote: I don't keep anything on flash I don't fully expect to lose. OMG, sometimes Mike is right. Although today's flash drives are less fragile than those of old, they will from time to time lose all their contents. While all media will eventually fail, the unacceptable thing about flash drives is the ease with which this can happen. A little bit of static electricity or pulling the unit out of the USB socket at the wrong moment and your data is toast. You should never keep your only copy on a flash drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Tony B wrote: Right. The correct answer to everything in this whole thread is that local email clients are yesterday's news. OMG, sometimes Tony is right. Well maybe just semi-right. I don't see the problem being the local client, it is downloading the email. Gmail running in your browser is technically a local client. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 12:41 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Webmail requires lots of up time and connectivity to read and then save what is needed. Eudora simply connects and then disconnects. Maybe this is just a Mac thing, but my email client does not have to be online when I'm reading and responding to email. While it is online it synchs a local copy of my emails from the primary copy stored in the cloud. I can read these emails and respond offline. Next time I am online it will again sync up with the cloud. This seems to me to be the best of all worlds. I have 3 computers where I typically get my email and while traveling I use webmail. I can sit down at any of these 3 computers and always find my email identically arranged. I have rule sets on my main office computer, which I usually leave on all the time. It sorts incoming mail into folders and I can access them so arranged from any other computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Tony B wrote: Now, when you start talking about specific services such as gmail, it's almost a different subject, because it does some things Eudora can't do easily - like store all your stuff in the cloud. OTOH, gmail still won't detach and delete attachments. This program is reported to work with GMail... http://www.broobles.com/imapsize/index.php IMAPSize (free application) allows you to to delete all or selected attachments, without downloading them. The original message is marked as deleted (but still kept in the mailbox for your peace of mind) and a new one is created without attachments. The message text is left intact. This new message is created without any header modification which means that it preserves the original date, sender, etc. Optionally, IMAPSize can add the list of deleted attachments to the remaining message body. You can also delete attachments from multiple messages at once. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Marcio wrote: Yes, but web mail does what Eudora does? What is it that only Eudora does that keeps its fans so devoted? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I was a huge Eudora fan in a different era. It did nothing but email, but it did it very well, very intuitively. Certainly in the PC software all time hall of fame. Remember, often the alternative was Outlook. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:39 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: What is it that only Eudora does that keeps its fans so devoted? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Neither does mine and I do a lot of what you are talking about. My main computer is my desktop at home. My work computer is my Dell laptop. Both of them run Eudora and do the sorting I need. The desktop at home only downloads when I want and I do it periodically. Otherwise I read my email on my work or home laptop. Stewart At 12:20 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: Maybe this is just a Mac thing, but my email client does not have to be online when I'm reading and responding to email. While it is online it synchs a local copy of my emails from the primary copy stored in the cloud. I can read these emails and respond offline. Next time I am online it will again sync up with the cloud. This seems to me to be the best of all worlds. I have 3 computers where I typically get my email and while traveling I use webmail. I can sit down at any of these 3 computers and always find my email identically arranged. I have rule sets on my main office computer, which I usually leave on all the time. It sorts incoming mail into folders and I can access them so arranged from any other computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Rules setting (for filters etc.) are very easy. Never changes always know where to find it. Rules are easily edited also. We have mentioned the fact about the attachments. It does not try and be your contact manager, your calendar keeper or anything else, it is simply your email manager. Those are just some of the things I can think of off the top of my head. Stewart At 12:39 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Marcio wrote: Yes, but web mail does what Eudora does? What is it that only Eudora does that keeps its fans so devoted? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well Thunderbird does everything you mention, so it isn't about what they can do, just that some are very used to how Eudora does it. On Oct 31, 2009 12:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Rules setting (for filters etc.) are very easy. Never changes always know where to find it. Rules are easily edited also. We have mentioned the fact about the attachments. It does not try and be your contact manager, your calendar keeper or anything else, it is simply your email manager. Those are just some of the things I can think of off the top of my head. Stewart At 12:39 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Marcio wrote: Yes, but... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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OK two more. Eudora allows you to install it wherever you want. It also allows you to specify where you want attachments saved. Plus each mailfolder, address book, filters etc. are saved in separate files that are easily moved. Stewart At 02:27 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: Well Thunderbird does everything you mention, so it isn't about what they can do, just that some are very used to how Eudora does it. On Oct 31, 2009 12:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Rules setting (for filters etc.) are very easy. Never changes always know where to find it. Rules are easily edited also. We have mentioned the fact about the attachments. It does not try and be your contact manager, your calendar keeper or anything else, it is simply your email manager. Those are just some of the things I can think of off the top of my head. Stewart At 12:39 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Marcio wrote: Yes, but... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If you're arguing Eudora vs. Outlook I think you're preaching to the choir. But none of these are good arguments against say, gmail via the web interface. *) No installation required *) You can save attachments on all your machines, a year from now if you want *) No need to keep track of mailfolders, addressbooks, or filters - it's all stored on _their_ servers. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: OK two more. Eudora allows you to install it wherever you want. It also allows you to specify where you want attachments saved. Plus each mailfolder, address book, filters etc. are saved in separate files that are easily moved. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It's not that you can install Eudora anywhere, you can do that with Thunderbird, it is that you can move the install folder after its installed. I manually moved the mbox files in tbird after a new install from the old install, they just aren't in the same place as Eudora but in the user data folder. Attachments can be wherever you like in Thunderbird, not sure where the fud started that the could not. On Oct 31, 2009 1:12 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: OK two more. Eudora allows you to install it wherever you want. It also allows you to specify where you want attachments saved. Plus each mailfolder, address book, filters etc. are saved in separate files that are easily moved. Stewart At 02:27 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: Well Thunderbird does everything you mention, so it isn't about what they can do, just that so... * ** List info, subscri... * ** List info, subscrip... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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True but read your last sentence Their servers. I do not trust their serves, I trust my servers better.' Call me Anal. Monk is my mentor. Stewart At 03:50 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: If you're arguing Eudora vs. Outlook I think you're preaching to the choir. But none of these are good arguments against say, gmail via the web interface. *) No installation required *) You can save attachments on all your machines, a year from now if you want *) No need to keep track of mailfolders, addressbooks, or filters - it's all stored on _their_ servers. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The times I tried installing Tbird I could not do that. Tbird manually installed itself into my documents and settings folder and I would have to dig down deep to get at its contents. I put Eudora into it's own folder on D: on my home setup or on C;\eudora. No searching for it. I will keep what I know for the time being. Stewart At 03:53 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: It's not that you can install Eudora anywhere, you can do that with Thunderbird, it is that you can move the install folder after its installed. I manually moved the mbox files in tbird after a new install from the old install, they just aren't in the same place as Eudora but in the user data folder. Attachments can be wherever you like in Thunderbird, not sure where the fud started that the could not. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If Eudora works for you that's great. I however do tire of the few who would complain that Vista broke Eudora etc and not realize that sometimes ten year old programs aren't going to keep working on new systems. If Eudora keeps humming along good times. On Oct 31, 2009 2:07 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: The times I tried installing Tbird I could not do that. Tbird manually installed itself into my documents and settings folder and I would have to dig down deep to get at its contents. I put Eudora into it's own folder on D: on my home setup or on C;\eudora. No searching for it. I will keep what I know for the time being. Stewart At 03:53 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: It's not that you can install Eudora anywhere, you can do... * ** List info, subscriptio... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I do not trust their serves, I trust my servers better.' Access it via any IMAP client and the files will reside in both places -- twice as safe! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The times I tried installing Tbird I could not do that. Not fair to blame TBird for that! I have installed it many times for many clients on both Macs and Windows. Never a problem. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom if they have changed it great. When I tried installing it, it did not allow itself to be installed in a customer specified location or have attachments saved in a customer specified location. I know you have a habit of gritching in situations like that and so do I. Stewart At 04:30 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: On Oct 31, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The times I tried installing Tbird I could not do that. Not fair to blame TBird for that! I have installed it many times for many clients on both Macs and Windows. Never a problem. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Thank you for clarifying it, I might just try it again. And yes it was one of the earlier ones. I have a tendency not to try it after a couple of times if my own programs work and don't need to be fixed. I am using WIN 7 and no problems with Eudora 7. Stewart At 07:14 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: Must have been a very early version or beta, I know very very few programs that don't let themselves be installed where you want. As far as attachments go, I also never used a version of tbird that didn't let me put them wherever I wanted. Either way both these issues don't exist and haven't for a few versions. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'd stick with Eudora too then...if it isn't broke don't fix it. Now you know you have an alternative if you need it. On Oct 31, 2009 5:37 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Thank you for clarifying it, I might just try it again. And yes it was one of the earlier ones. I have a tendency not to try it after a couple of times if my own programs work and don't need to be fixed. I am using WIN 7 and no problems with Eudora 7. Stewart At 07:14 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: Must have been a very early version or beta, I know very v... Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Oz... ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a me... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: We have mentioned the fact about the attachments. What's wrong with the following (other than changing old habits)? Q: Where are my Apple Mail attachments stored? A: They are stored on the mail server and also cached on your computer with messages in your Inbox (INBOX.imapmbox). This is different from Eudora, which stores attachments in yourAttachments folder, separate from the messages. Apple Mail’s Inbox is stored in your home directory, in this location: LibraryMailIMAPusername @yourmailserverINBOX.imapmbox (where username is your username and yourmailserver is your mail server’s hostname, such as po14.mit.edu). If you’ve created subfolders on the IMAP mail server, their .imapmbox files can be found in the INBOX folder, in the same location as your INBOX.imapmbox file. Q: How can I download my Apple Mail attachments to save them indefinitely on my computer? A: You can save a single attachment by dragging its icon from the message to the desktop or to another location. If you’d like to saveattachments from more than one message at a time, select the messages and then go to FileSave Attachments, select a download location, and choose Save. Q: How can I delete attachments without deleting the messages themselves? A: Select the messages in question, then go to MessageRemoveattachments. This will create a duplicate copy of the message without attachments. The original message, including attachments, will be marked for deletion or moved to the trash mailbox, depending on your settings. Once you purge your messages or empty your trash, the attachments are not recoverable, unless you have backups of your cached .imapmbox files. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Oct 31, 2009, at 7:44 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: When I tried installing it, it did not allow itself to be installed in a customer specified location or have attachments saved in a customer specified location. When using Windows I never install software in or alter the standard locations of directories. Too many times have I discovered that some idiot programmer has ignored the preference settings and is using a hard-coded path. It is simply not worth the grief. Ditto for OS X. In OS 9 I used to move stuff with abandon. I miss that. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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What was the best part of Eudora Rev.? Marcio -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net Sent: Oct 31, 2009 2:23 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 As far as I am concerned the best parts of Eudora they stripped out of it when it went 8 and I am still using 7. Stewart At 10:51 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote: I have used Eudora for years and years. So far I have not crossed anything like it. When I do I guess I will change. In my opinion Mozilla could keep it as it was without any need to improve. Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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These kinds of things make me love Eudora more... Marcio -Original Message- From: Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net Sent: Oct 31, 2009 1:53 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 At 09:43 AM 10/31/2009 -0500, you wrote: I sometimes end up in places and areas with no Internet connection (HORRORS? Yes Virginia there are still places like that) In that case I do not need the net because I have my email messages and can look one up if I need to. Cloud storage might be good and secure (?) But it is dependent on having a connection. Not real bright. I use a flash drive and a little program called EZ Back it Up to back up certain files daily. Initially, I added all of my mailbox files. It runs on a scheduler, or can be run manually. It overwrites changed files only. I have certain Eudora mailboxes included in this automatic backup. I'm lucky to get a 14,400 dialup connection at my summer house (no cable or DSL there). Web sites take forever to load. It is faster for me to download the mail, go offline to read/reply, and go back online to send. Also I'm not tying up the phone line this way. It's nice to have choices to suit one's purpose! Unless I lose the flash drive, I'm OK. :) Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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At 01:56 PM 10/31/2009 -0400, you wrote: I was a huge Eudora fan in a different era. It did nothing but email, but it did it very well, very intuitively. Certainly in the PC software all time hall of fame. Remember, often the alternative was Outlook. What else do you want your email to do? I have apps for specific things. One big problem I find in trying to teach new computer students is that IE appears to do all online functions, yet does nothing as well as the separate apps. Because I use Firefox, and have my bookmarks in the cloud, I put all of genealogy bookmarks in Firefox at the Senior Center so they stay synched with mine at home. I heard one man telling another one day that you have to use Firefox for those genealogy web sites. Most of them just can't grasp the concept that a browser is an app, and email is also an app (unless you're using webmail). Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You are all convincing me to keep my Eudora 7 Marcio -Original Message- From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com Sent: Oct 31, 2009 3:09 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 On Oct 31, 2009, at 11:59 AM, mike wrote: I don't keep anything on flash I don't fully expect to lose. OMG, sometimes Mike is right. Although today's flash drives are less fragile than those of old, they will from time to time lose all their contents. While all media will eventually fail, the unacceptable thing about flash drives is the ease with which this can happen. A little bit of static electricity or pulling the unit out of the USB socket at the wrong moment and your data is toast. You should never keep your only copy on a flash drive. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have asked and I repeat... what is a better alternative today? Or at least comparable?... And mind you I do use web mail too... Marcio -Original Message- From: Tony B ton...@gmail.com Sent: Oct 31, 2009 3:56 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 I was a huge Eudora fan in a different era. It did nothing but email, but it did it very well, very intuitively. Certainly in the PC software all time hall of fame. Remember, often the alternative was Outlook. On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 1:39 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: What is it that only Eudora does that keeps its fans so devoted? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Try it... you still can download Eudora 7. Marcio -Original Message- From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com Sent: Oct 31, 2009 3:39 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Marcio wrote: Yes, but web mail does what Eudora does? What is it that only Eudora does that keeps its fans so devoted? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have tried Tbird... not the same. Marcio -Original Message- From: tjpa t...@tjpa.com Sent: Oct 31, 2009 7:30 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 On Oct 31, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: The times I tried installing Tbird I could not do that. Not fair to blame TBird for that! I have installed it many times for many clients on both Macs and Windows. Never a problem. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I have mail boxes for e-mails that can be accessed very easily. I can enter a name and Eudora will give me all e-mails that contain that name... I can use filters that work and are easy to set. And so on... Marcio -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net Sent: Oct 31, 2009 5:04 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 Rules setting (for filters etc.) are very easy. Never changes always know where to find it. Rules are easily edited also. We have mentioned the fact about the attachments. It does not try and be your contact manager, your calendar keeper or anything else, it is simply your email manager. Those are just some of the things I can think of off the top of my head. Stewart At 12:39 PM 10/31/2009, you wrote: On Oct 31, 2009, at 8:47 AM, Marcio wrote: Yes, but web mail does what Eudora does? What is it that only Eudora does that keeps its fans so devoted? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I am trying Eudora 8m Beta 7 from Mozzila. It looks very good. Is this your impression too? Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It has this is as much Eudora as the modern ATT is the old ATT. Stewart At 03:45 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote: My feeling is someone should let Eudora die. On Oct 30, 2009 1:43 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I am trying Eudora 8m Beta 7 from Mozzila. It looks very good. Is this your impression too? Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
On Oct 30, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Sue Cubic wrote: You could also try Thunderbird with the Penelope extension, which is closer to the old Eudora than the newer Eudora8. The current download of Eudora8 includes the Penelope extension. Note that this is still a beta. Maybe you should wait for a final release version? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I saw a lot of similarities with my old Eudora. Marcio -Original Message- From: Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net Sent: Oct 30, 2009 8:28 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 It has this is as much Eudora as the modern ATT is the old ATT. Stewart At 03:45 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote: My feeling is someone should let Eudora die. On Oct 30, 2009 1:43 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I am trying Eudora 8m Beta 7 from Mozzila. It looks very good. Is this your impression too? Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I have used Eudora for years and years. So far I have not crossed anything like it. When I do I guess I will change. In my opinion Mozilla could keep it as it was without any need to improve. Marcio -Original Message- From: Sue Cubic scu...@earthlink.net Sent: Oct 30, 2009 8:56 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 At 01:45 PM 10/30/2009 -0700, you wrote: My feeling is someone should let Eudora die. Hush! We all know they're not developing or changing it anymore, but as long as it works, there are die-hard fans. It is a GOOD email program. Personally I don't want all the html junk that comes with most email programs. Eudora has great controls that no other email program has ever equaled, the main one being that attachments are detached from the emails so you don't have to keep a ton of mail in order to save attachments. On Oct 30, 2009 1:43 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I am trying Eudora 8m Beta 7 from Mozzila. It looks very good. Is this your impression too? If you really want to try using Eudora, go get Eudora 7.1.0.9--the last version of real Eudora. Download it and ask here for a key to upgrade it to the paid version. (Eudora is not for sale anymore). The keys are given for free now. You could also try Thunderbird with the Penelope extension, which is closer to the old Eudora than the newer Eudora8. Sue * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Did you ever used it? What you would replace it with? Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Oct 30, 2009 6:45 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7 My feeling is someone should let Eudora die. On Oct 30, 2009 1:43 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I am trying Eudora 8m Beta 7 from Mozzila. It looks very good. Is this your impression too? Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
I used it for years, switched to Thunderbird and then Outlook and now because of crappy dsl I stick to web mail. On Oct 30, 2009 8:55 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Did you ever used it? What you would replace it with? Marcio -Original Message- From: mike xha...@gmail.com Sent: Oct 30, 2009 6:45 PM To: COMPUTER... On Oct 30, 2009 1:43 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I am trying Eudora 8m Beta 7 from ... Marcio * ** List info, subsc... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
As far as I am concerned the best parts of Eudora they stripped out of it when it went 8 and I am still using 7. Stewart At 10:51 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote: I have used Eudora for years and years. So far I have not crossed anything like it. When I do I guess I will change. In my opinion Mozilla could keep it as it was without any need to improve. Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
That sounds counter productive. Webmail requires lots of up time and connectivity to read and then save what is needed. Eudora simply connects and then disconnects. Back in the day I used to have it dial and connect download mail and disconnect. Do you have such large attachments and such that it takes a lot of time to download your mail? Otherwise like Is id sounds counter productive. Stewart At 11:12 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote: I used it for years, switched to Thunderbird and then Outlook and now because of crappy dsl I stick to web mail. On Oct 30, 2009 8:55 PM, Marcio m...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Did you ever used it? What you would replace it with? Marcio * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Eudora 8, Beta 7
Uptime isn't the problem, it is speed of downloading the email. I found when I went from cable to horrid dsl, it took longer to start an email client, have it connect and download all the msgs then it did to just use gmail. To top that off my dsl provider doesn't offer email so I would need a web account anyway. I keep everything I can on the cloud, I have no need to keep email local. On Oct 30, 2009 9:43 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: That sounds counter productive. Webmail requires lots of up time and connectivity to read and then save what is needed. Eudora simply connects and then disconnects. Back in the day I used to have it dial and connect download mail and disconnect. Do you have such large attachments and such that it takes a lot of time to download your mail? Otherwise like Is id sounds counter productive. Stewart At 11:12 PM 10/30/2009, you wrote: I used it for years, switched to Thunderbird and then Ou... * ** List info, subscriptio... * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
