Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-11 Thread db
The reason that all the rest of the world who have universal health care has a 5% admin overhead and our non-universal health care has an admin overhead of 18-25% is exactly demonstrated by your experience with your wife's prescription. Most doctors in the US have more billing staff than they

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-11 Thread b_s-wilk
The reason that all the rest of the world who have universal health care has a 5% admin overhead and our non-universal health care has an admin overhead of 18-25% is exactly demonstrated by your experience with your wife's prescription... No matter how the world's varied universal health

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
Once again, you and I are the government, so are you confessing? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Sep 9, 2009, at 4:59 PM, mike wrote: Government is nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
Yeah, you pretty much got it. If we are going to allow you to legally run a protection racket we are going to bring it into reality when it comes to profit. If this is beyond understanding let me put it another way. Any future kids you have you have to pay insurance for in case they might

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-10 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:24 PM, Steve at Verizonstevet...@verizon.net wrote: So you are in favor of nationalizing, not just the health insurance companies, but also life insurance and automobile insurance? Your logic would apply to them as well. What logic are you ascribing to me? All I

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-10 Thread Jeff Miles
And here's a bit of personal observation. When someone does something wrong and are called on it they sit quiet. When they think they've done nothing wrong they tend to get up and shout and argue. So for me at least, I guess that tells you what I think about those during the speech who

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-10 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 9, 2009, at 11:24 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: So you are in favor of nationalizing, not just the health insurance companies, but also life insurance and automobile insurance? Your logic would apply to them as well. Or if not nationalize, make them provide the same coverage to

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 12:10 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:41 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: It may seem counterintuitive, but the reason you have home owner's insurance is to benefit the mortgage carriers, not you; your car insurance is to keep others' insurance from going

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread b_s-wilk
There's no free market. Never has been. Get over it. Deal with the economy as it exists, not in some utopian, fear-inspired fantasy. Good health, quality education, a stable economy with manufacturing, and a clean environment are as important to our security as diplomacy and our military.

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
The problem in some areas is that they think people look act and think monolithic or homogeneous. I am not one who could really be called a liberal (Well if compared to a John Bircher maybe) I do not vote straight party tickets and normally do not vote Democratic (I vote based on Candidate)

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread Jeff Miles
Exactly. Insurance companies are nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some people want to defend these crooks when they have no vested interest is totally beyond me. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread mike
Government is nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some people want to defend these crooks when they do have a vested interest is totally beyond me. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Exactly. Insurance companies are nothing but a bunch of crooks.

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:59 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Government is nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some people want to defend these crooks when they do have a vested interest is totally beyond me. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread Steve at Verizon
John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:59 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Government is nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some people want to defend these crooks when they do have a vested interest is totally beyond me. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Jeff Miles

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Jeff Milesjmile...@charter.net wrote:        Exactly. Insurance companies are nothing but a bunch of crooks. And while some people want to defend these crooks when they have no vested interest is totally beyond me. Of course, an awful lot of those opposed to

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-09 Thread Steve at Verizon
So you are in favor of nationalizing, not just the health insurance companies, but also life insurance and automobile insurance? Your logic would apply to them as well. Or if not nationalize, make them provide the same coverage to everybody for the same cost. For life insurance you should pay

[CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-08 Thread b_s-wilk
Where do you come up with these figures? Have they been fed to you or are they just off the top of your head? You did get to the meat of the problem however. We might have great medical care here in us. But getting it and being able to have access to it is a totally different story.

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-08 Thread t.piwowar
On Sep 8, 2009, at 11:41 AM, b_s-wilk wrote: It may seem counterintuitive, but the reason you have home owner's insurance is to benefit the mortgage carriers, not you; your car insurance is to keep others' insurance from going up too high and for the public agencies that cover the ininsured

Re: [CGUYS] Insurance and National Security [was: Intensive care unit]

2009-09-08 Thread Jeff Wright
There's no free market. Never has been. Get over it. Deal with the economy as it exists, not in some utopian, fear-inspired fantasy. Good health, quality education, a stable economy with manufacturing, and a clean environment are as important to our security as diplomacy and our military. Who