Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
You can find lists of flaws in every released OS out there by year or quarter. Mac OS X is not immune to flaws including security ones. I find it very interesting that when all three OS's are put on equal footing inside an enclosed space If we let you define the marketspace you will certainly

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
Recently been playing with Ubuntu. One thing that really surprised me (which shows how wide eyed naive I am) is how with the Ubuntu boot disk my supposedly secured files in XP are wide open. I can take an external hard drive and copy them over - no problem! And from there you can even poke

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-23 Thread mike
Well at least as far as patching goes, quite a lot more fixes for os x then any other...course I'm sure most windows users would trade the low patch rate for less scanning... On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer to look at the user experience. How

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
Well at least as far as patching goes, quite a lot more fixes for os x then any other... You should stop getting your information about Apple from MS. I'm patching my XP far more than my OS X. * ** List info, subscription

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-23 Thread mike
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=758 Suppose you could be right..it may just be security patches that apple has far more of. On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well at least as far as patching goes, quite a lot more fixes for os x then any other... You

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-23 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
I want software from the company that patches things rapidly and doesn't worry about how lots of patches going out will look. MS is pretty slow sometimes. Sitting on things that should go out quickly. On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 6:56 PM, mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
Suppose you could be right..it may just be security patches that apple has far more of. Five this year. So fewer than one a month. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy,

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-23 Thread mike
No argument here. On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 4:13 PM, John Duncan Yoyo [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I want software from the company that patches things rapidly and doesn't worry about how lots of patches going out will look. MS is pretty slow sometimes. Sitting on things that should go out

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-23 Thread mike
Really? Only five security holes patched? Well that is a good number.. On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose you could be right..it may just be security patches that apple has far more of. Five this year. So fewer than one a month.

[CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-22 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recently been playing with Ubuntu. One thing that really surprised me (which shows how wide eyed naive I am) is how with the Ubuntu boot disk my supposedly secured files in XP are wide open. I can take an external hard drive and copy them over - no problem! I was both pleased and displeased

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-22 Thread mike
You can find lists of flaws in every released OS out there by year or quarter. Mac OS X is not immune to flaws including security ones. I find it very interesting that when all three OS's are put on equal footing inside an enclosed space, and security experts are told they can win gobs of cash

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-22 Thread Brian Jones
Linux and OSX are daughters of Unix. Unix was not designed with security as a priority... it was designed for speed and efficiency to run on a Digital Equipment Corporation PDP computer that happened to be sitting around without any operating system on it. In graduate school, our instructor

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-22 Thread John DeCarlo
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Linux and OSX are daughters of Unix. Unix was not designed with security as a priority... Well, Very true about Linux. OTOH, OS X is built on Berkeley Unix, which was designed with security in mind. For years and years,

Re: [CGUYS] Linux - it's not just for breakfast anymore

2008-08-22 Thread mike
Openbsd is considered the real security branch, freebsd which is what darwin is, is more open and has more support. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:11 PM, John DeCarlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Brian Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux and OSX are daughters of