Re: [CGUYS] Printing pains and computer-induced sleep disorder (CISD)
You can get a discount on a domain through GoDaddy any number of sites. Watch the geekbrief podcast they have three different discounts. http://geekbriefwp.podshow.com/sponsorship-information I'm sure if you look around you might find a better one but there are plenty of discounts out there. On 10/6/07, Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, I saw your post mentiong this and checked it out. Appeared to be significantly more expensive that Go Daddy, so that's where I did go. Did you get some special rate as a non-profit organization? Randall - Original Message - From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Printing pains and computer-induced sleep disorder (CISD) I have had good luck with Driectnic for registering and also hosting a web site. Stewart At 07:15 PM 10/6/2007, you wrote: Well, was up more than half the night trying to negotiate GoDaddy, for getting first Domain and also website, wordtracker sites for websites, and finally, fiddling with trying to print out business cards on old HP LaserJet printer (bought in 94, still kicking!). Why would a sane person do all this? Well, in order to have business cards to take for networking purposes to the Greenfestival in D.C. today and tomorrow. And, of course, if one is going to update business cards (old ones are so old they don't even have email address) then, of course, one would like to have their blog and website on them, which, of course, means first getting the blog up (sort of did that a few days ago) and a website up and domain name registered, right? And, of course, having learned, from recent seminars on websites business (including one at CPUG meeting a month ago) about the importance of key words, certainly have to fool around with these key word sites, right? And, just when you think you've figured out a solution for how to get some business cards together on very short notice (without spending much moola) by learning how to print them yourself, of course the printer or something or many things involved decide not to cooperate, and even play a bad joke, by making it almost appear at one point that its actually working. But, alas, on more careful inspection, the wording on the cards is all off, enough to ruin the whole deal, like having your phone number show up on another card. Curiously, does work with plain paper or printing one card at time, but printing 10 at a time on the cardstock just leads to these fatal misalignments. So, this far in to my sad tale (or rant, take your pick), here's maybe my main question: Any ideas WHY the printer gods are punishing me thus, however subtly? Could it be an outdated printer driver? Tried to update it, at the end of all of this, but can't even tell if this actually occurred. But I digress from the kicker to this tale of self-inflicted woeAs a result of being up half the night fiddling with all of this and a good part of the remainder of the night just not being able to sleep (so what the hell, get up at 5, after maybe 2 hrs sleep, and fiddle some more, right?!), I ended up blowing off the Greenfestival entirely, which was the very impetus for all this last minute urgency and scrambling! So much for the best laid plans of a misguided man! But, as they say, there's always tomorrow, and maybe by then I'll have a card or two, say, to hand to Ralph Nader after his closing talk. And at least I like irony. Where's Nader been, anyway, when it comes to all the problems with high tech so many of us seem to be increasingly having (not even counting this experience as part of that)? Maybe he'll surprise and announce that he's joining the fray we call Presidential elections. At least it would add some real entertainment, to go along with a weekend full of green. In fact, Nader once ran as a Green, now he's speaking to the Greenies; no doubt about the problems caused by all those who are consumed by green of another sort. And, while being green when it comes to things like computers and printing cards or creating websites is not generally a desirable thing to be, when it comes to becoming the world's most consequential person, being green doesn't seem to be all that bad a thing; maybe even a good thing, actually, by some accounts. But, of course, green or not, anyone wanting to seriously play the Presidential game sure needs a lot of the green stuff. Agreed? There will be, as they say, a second chance tomorrow - so long as I don't repeat the whole thing tonight, toiling into the wee hours again, trying to print cards that line up right, figure out how to do this or that in setting up a website, figuring out what happened to GoDaddy's wonderful-sounding promises of free blogging, etc. So going to have to do the hardest thing of all related to computers (at least for me) - turn
[CGUYS] Printing pains and computer-induced sleep disorder (CISD)
Well, was up more than half the night trying to negotiate GoDaddy, for getting first Domain and also website, wordtracker sites for websites, and finally, fiddling with trying to print out business cards on old HP LaserJet printer (bought in 94, still kicking!). Why would a sane person do all this? Well, in order to have business cards to take for networking purposes to the Greenfestival in D.C. today and tomorrow. And, of course, if one is going to update business cards (old ones are so old they don't even have email address) then, of course, one would like to have their blog and website on them, which, of course, means first getting the blog up (sort of did that a few days ago) and a website up and domain name registered, right? And, of course, having learned, from recent seminars on websites business (including one at CPUG meeting a month ago) about the importance of key words, certainly have to fool around with these key word sites, right? And, just when you think you've figured out a solution for how to get some business cards together on very short notice (without spending much moola) by learning how to print them yourself, of course the printer or something or many things involved decide not to cooperate, and even play a bad joke, by making it almost appear at one point that its actually working. But, alas, on more careful inspection, the wording on the cards is all off, enough to ruin the whole deal, like having your phone number show up on another card. Curiously, does work with plain paper or printing one card at time, but printing 10 at a time on the cardstock just leads to these fatal misalignments. So, this far in to my sad tale (or rant, take your pick), here's maybe my main question: Any ideas WHY the printer gods are punishing me thus, however subtly? Could it be an outdated printer driver? Tried to update it, at the end of all of this, but can't even tell if this actually occurred. But I digress from the kicker to this tale of self-inflicted woeAs a result of being up half the night fiddling with all of this and a good part of the remainder of the night just not being able to sleep (so what the hell, get up at 5, after maybe 2 hrs sleep, and fiddle some more, right?!), I ended up blowing off the Greenfestival entirely, which was the very impetus for all this last minute urgency and scrambling! So much for the best laid plans of a misguided man! But, as they say, there's always tomorrow, and maybe by then I'll have a card or two, say, to hand to Ralph Nader after his closing talk. And at least I like irony. Where's Nader been, anyway, when it comes to all the problems with high tech so many of us seem to be increasingly having (not even counting this experience as part of that)? Maybe he'll surprise and announce that he's joining the fray we call Presidential elections. At least it would add some real entertainment, to go along with a weekend full of green. In fact, Nader once ran as a Green, now he's speaking to the Greenies; no doubt about the problems caused by all those who are consumed by green of another sort. And, while being green when it comes to things like computers and printing cards or creating websites is not generally a desirable thing to be, when it comes to becoming the world's most consequential person, being green doesn't seem to be all that bad a thing; maybe even a good thing, actually, by some accounts. But, of course, green or not, anyone wanting to seriously play the Presidential game sure needs a lot of the green stuff. Agreed? There will be, as they say, a second chance tomorrow - so long as I don't repeat the whole thing tonight, toiling into the wee hours again, trying to print cards that line up right, figure out how to do this or that in setting up a website, figuring out what happened to GoDaddy's wonderful-sounding promises of free blogging, etc. So going to have to do the hardest thing of all related to computers (at least for me) - turn the damn thing off and keep it off at some reasonable hour!! :) Why, oh why, can't someone invent a timed lock for a computer, like a bank lock, or a lock which someone at a remote location has control over? We don't ask alcoholics to hang around in bars for hours a day, then also be their own bartenders or bouncers, do we?! As far as Go Daddy, so far my experience with them has been more like, Yo, Your Mamma! Hopefully, this will just be a bad, passing first impression someday. You go, daddy; I'm either going to sleep or going to go bananas. Now maybe if I can crash as easily tonight as many computers seem so able to do! Randy * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command:
Re: [CGUYS] Printing pains and computer-induced sleep disorder (CISD)
I have had good luck with Driectnic for registering and also hosting a web site. Stewart At 07:15 PM 10/6/2007, you wrote: Well, was up more than half the night trying to negotiate GoDaddy, for getting first Domain and also website, wordtracker sites for websites, and finally, fiddling with trying to print out business cards on old HP LaserJet printer (bought in 94, still kicking!). Why would a sane person do all this? Well, in order to have business cards to take for networking purposes to the Greenfestival in D.C. today and tomorrow. And, of course, if one is going to update business cards (old ones are so old they don't even have email address) then, of course, one would like to have their blog and website on them, which, of course, means first getting the blog up (sort of did that a few days ago) and a website up and domain name registered, right? And, of course, having learned, from recent seminars on websites business (including one at CPUG meeting a month ago) about the importance of key words, certainly have to fool around with these key word sites, right? And, just when you think you've figured out a solution for how to get some business cards together on very short notice (without spending much moola) by learning how to print them yourself, of course the printer or something or many things involved decide not to cooperate, and even play a bad joke, by making it almost appear at one point that its actually working. But, alas, on more careful inspection, the wording on the cards is all off, enough to ruin the whole deal, like having your phone number show up on another card. Curiously, does work with plain paper or printing one card at time, but printing 10 at a time on the cardstock just leads to these fatal misalignments. So, this far in to my sad tale (or rant, take your pick), here's maybe my main question: Any ideas WHY the printer gods are punishing me thus, however subtly? Could it be an outdated printer driver? Tried to update it, at the end of all of this, but can't even tell if this actually occurred. But I digress from the kicker to this tale of self-inflicted woeAs a result of being up half the night fiddling with all of this and a good part of the remainder of the night just not being able to sleep (so what the hell, get up at 5, after maybe 2 hrs sleep, and fiddle some more, right?!), I ended up blowing off the Greenfestival entirely, which was the very impetus for all this last minute urgency and scrambling! So much for the best laid plans of a misguided man! But, as they say, there's always tomorrow, and maybe by then I'll have a card or two, say, to hand to Ralph Nader after his closing talk. And at least I like irony. Where's Nader been, anyway, when it comes to all the problems with high tech so many of us seem to be increasingly having (not even counting this experience as part of that)? Maybe he'll surprise and announce that he's joining the fray we call Presidential elections. At least it would add some real entertainment, to go along with a weekend full of green. In fact, Nader once ran as a Green, now he's speaking to the Greenies; no doubt about the problems caused by all those who are consumed by green of another sort. And, while being green when it comes to things like computers and printing cards or creating websites is not generally a desirable thing to be, when it comes to becoming the world's most consequential person, being green doesn't seem to be all that bad a thing; maybe even a good thing, actually, by some accounts. But, of course, green or not, anyone wanting to seriously play the Presidential game sure needs a lot of the green stuff. Agreed? There will be, as they say, a second chance tomorrow - so long as I don't repeat the whole thing tonight, toiling into the wee hours again, trying to print cards that line up right, figure out how to do this or that in setting up a website, figuring out what happened to GoDaddy's wonderful-sounding promises of free blogging, etc. So going to have to do the hardest thing of all related to computers (at least for me) - turn the damn thing off and keep it off at some reasonable hour!! :) Why, oh why, can't someone invent a timed lock for a computer, like a bank lock, or a lock which someone at a remote location has control over? We don't ask alcoholics to hang around in bars for hours a day, then also be their own bartenders or bouncers, do we?! As far as Go Daddy, so far my experience with them has been more like, Yo, Your Mamma! Hopefully, this will just be a bad, passing first impression someday. You go, daddy; I'm either going to sleep or going to go bananas. Now maybe if I can crash as easily tonight as many computers seem so able to do! Randy * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of
Re: [CGUYS] Printing pains and computer-induced sleep disorder (CISD)
what your problem with godaddy? if you can't figure out how to get them to take your money, what is your problem? If you can't get there in 30 min, have your kid do it. you say they are bad, but what is wrong with them? At 08:15 PM 10/6/2007, you wrote: Well, was up more than half the night trying to negotiate GoDaddy, for getting first Domain and also website, wordtracker sites for websites, and finally, fiddling with trying to print out business cards on old HP LaserJet printer (bought in 94, still kicking!). Why would a sane person do all this? Well, in order to have business cards to take for networking purposes to the Greenfestival in D.C. today and tomorrow. And, of course, if one is going to update business cards (old ones are so old they don't even have email address) then, of course, one would like to have their blog and website on them, which, of course, means first getting the blog up (sort of did that a few days ago) and a website up and domain name registered, right? And, of course, having learned, from recent seminars on websites business (including one at CPUG meeting a month ago) about the importance of key words, certainly have to fool around with these key word sites, right? And, just when you think you've figured out a solution for how to get some business cards together on very short notice (without spending much moola) by learning how to print them yourself, of course the printer or something or many things involved decide not to cooperate, and even play a bad joke, by making it almost appear at one point that its actually working. But, alas, on more careful inspection, the wording on the cards is all off, enough to ruin the whole deal, like having your phone number show up on another card. Curiously, does work with plain paper or printing one card at time, but printing 10 at a time on the cardstock just leads to these fatal misalignments. So, this far in to my sad tale (or rant, take your pick), here's maybe my main question: Any ideas WHY the printer gods are punishing me thus, however subtly? Could it be an outdated printer driver? Tried to update it, at the end of all of this, but can't even tell if this actually occurred. But I digress from the kicker to this tale of self-inflicted woeAs a result of being up half the night fiddling with all of this and a good part of the remainder of the night just not being able to sleep (so what the hell, get up at 5, after maybe 2 hrs sleep, and fiddle some more, right?!), I ended up blowing off the Greenfestival entirely, which was the very impetus for all this last minute urgency and scrambling! So much for the best laid plans of a misguided man! But, as they say, there's always tomorrow, and maybe by then I'll have a card or two, say, to hand to Ralph Nader after his closing talk. And at least I like irony. Where's Nader been, anyway, when it comes to all the problems with high tech so many of us seem to be increasingly having (not even counting this experience as part of that)? Maybe he'll surprise and announce that he's joining the fray we call Presidential elections. At least it would add some real entertainment, to go along with a weekend full of green. In fact, Nader once ran as a Green, now he's speaking to the Greenies; no doubt about the problems caused by all those who are consumed by green of another sort. And, while being green when it comes to things like computers and printing cards or creating websites is not generally a desirable thing to be, when it comes to becoming the world's most consequential person, being green doesn't seem to be all that bad a thing; maybe even a good thing, actually, by some accounts. But, of course, green or not, anyone wanting to seriously play the Presidential game sure needs a lot of the green stuff. Agreed? There will be, as they say, a second chance tomorrow - so long as I don't repeat the whole thing tonight, toiling into the wee hours again, trying to print cards that line up right, figure out how to do this or that in setting up a website, figuring out what happened to GoDaddy's wonderful-sounding promises of free blogging, etc. So going to have to do the hardest thing of all related to computers (at least for me) - turn the damn thing off and keep it off at some reasonable hour!! :) Why, oh why, can't someone invent a timed lock for a computer, like a bank lock, or a lock which someone at a remote location has control over? We don't ask alcoholics to hang around in bars for hours a day, then also be their own bartenders or bouncers, do we?! As far as Go Daddy, so far my experience with them has been more like, Yo, Your Mamma! Hopefully, this will just be a bad, passing first impression someday. You go, daddy; I'm either going to sleep or going to go bananas. Now maybe if I can crash as easily tonight as many computers seem so able to do! Randy
Re: [CGUYS] Printing pains and computer-induced sleep disorder (CISD)
Oh, I don't know; probably just seemed more difficult to construct a website (more so than the only other site I've created, which was on a network and probably more user friendly in some ways). Also, don't see a way to blog or to host the forums they mention. Thought these might be like message boards, like I was able to set up on this other one, which can't be used for some of the purposes I want as it has a specific purpose. If I had a kid, I would have left them fool with all of this while I got some winks. Or so I would like to believe. Randall - Original Message - From: gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Printing pains and computer-induced sleep disorder (CISD) what your problem with godaddy? if you can't figure out how to get them to take your money, what is your problem? If you can't get there in 30 min, have your kid do it. you say they are bad, but what is wrong with them? At 08:15 PM 10/6/2007, you wrote: Well, was up more than half the night trying to negotiate GoDaddy, for getting first Domain and also website, wordtracker sites for websites, and finally, fiddling with trying to print out business cards on old HP LaserJet printer (bought in 94, still kicking!). Why would a sane person do all this? Well, in order to have business cards to take for networking purposes to the Greenfestival in D.C. today and tomorrow. And, of course, if one is going to update business cards (old ones are so old they don't even have email address) then, of course, one would like to have their blog and website on them, which, of course, means first getting the blog up (sort of did that a few days ago) and a website up and domain name registered, right? And, of course, having learned, from recent seminars on websites business (including one at CPUG meeting a month ago) about the importance of key words, certainly have to fool around with these key word sites, right? And, just when you think you've figured out a solution for how to get some business cards together on very short notice (without spending much moola) by learning how to print them yourself, of course the printer or something or many things involved decide not to cooperate, and even play a bad joke, by making it almost appear at one point that its actually working. But, alas, on more careful inspection, the wording on the cards is all off, enough to ruin the whole deal, like having your phone number show up on another card. Curiously, does work with plain paper or printing one card at time, but printing 10 at a time on the cardstock just leads to these fatal misalignments. So, this far in to my sad tale (or rant, take your pick), here's maybe my main question: Any ideas WHY the printer gods are punishing me thus, however subtly? Could it be an outdated printer driver? Tried to update it, at the end of all of this, but can't even tell if this actually occurred. But I digress from the kicker to this tale of self-inflicted woeAs a result of being up half the night fiddling with all of this and a good part of the remainder of the night just not being able to sleep (so what the hell, get up at 5, after maybe 2 hrs sleep, and fiddle some more, right?!), I ended up blowing off the Greenfestival entirely, which was the very impetus for all this last minute urgency and scrambling! So much for the best laid plans of a misguided man! But, as they say, there's always tomorrow, and maybe by then I'll have a card or two, say, to hand to Ralph Nader after his closing talk. And at least I like irony. Where's Nader been, anyway, when it comes to all the problems with high tech so many of us seem to be increasingly having (not even counting this experience as part of that)? Maybe he'll surprise and announce that he's joining the fray we call Presidential elections. At least it would add some real entertainment, to go along with a weekend full of green. In fact, Nader once ran as a Green, now he's speaking to the Greenies; no doubt about the problems caused by all those who are consumed by green of another sort. And, while being green when it comes to things like computers and printing cards or creating websites is not generally a desirable thing to be, when it comes to becoming the world's most consequential person, being green doesn't seem to be all that bad a thing; maybe even a good thing, actually, by some accounts. But, of course, green or not, anyone wanting to seriously play the Presidential game sure needs a lot of the green stuff. Agreed? There will be, as they say, a second chance tomorrow - so long as I don't repeat the whole thing tonight, toiling into the wee hours again, trying to print cards that line up right, figure out how to do this or that in setting up a website, figuring out what happened to GoDaddy's wonderful-sounding promises of free blogging
Re: [CGUYS] Printing pains and computer-induced sleep disorder (CISD)
Not that I know of. It was $15 a year which is pretty standard. Rates went up this year. (We reupped before the increase.) Part of the benefit of registering with them is you get web space. Stewart At 08:39 PM 10/6/2007, you wrote: Thanks, I saw your post mentiong this and checked it out. Appeared to be significantly more expensive that Go Daddy, so that's where I did go. Did you get some special rate as a non-profit organization? Randall - Original Message - From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Printing pains and computer-induced sleep disorder (CISD) I have had good luck with Driectnic for registering and also hosting a web site. Stewart At 07:15 PM 10/6/2007, you wrote: Well, was up more than half the night trying to negotiate GoDaddy, for getting first Domain and also website, wordtracker sites for websites, and finally, fiddling with trying to print out business cards on old HP LaserJet printer (bought in 94, still kicking!). Why would a sane person do all this? Well, in order to have business cards to take for networking purposes to the Greenfestival in D.C. today and tomorrow. And, of course, if one is going to update business cards (old ones are so old they don't even have email address) then, of course, one would like to have their blog and website on them, which, of course, means first getting the blog up (sort of did that a few days ago) and a website up and domain name registered, right? And, of course, having learned, from recent seminars on websites business (including one at CPUG meeting a month ago) about the importance of key words, certainly have to fool around with these key word sites, right? And, just when you think you've figured out a solution for how to get some business cards together on very short notice (without spending much moola) by learning how to print them yourself, of course the printer or something or many things involved decide not to cooperate, and even play a bad joke, by making it almost appear at one point that its actually working. But, alas, on more careful inspection, the wording on the cards is all off, enough to ruin the whole deal, like having your phone number show up on another card. Curiously, does work with plain paper or printing one card at time, but printing 10 at a time on the cardstock just leads to these fatal misalignments. So, this far in to my sad tale (or rant, take your pick), here's maybe my main question: Any ideas WHY the printer gods are punishing me thus, however subtly? Could it be an outdated printer driver? Tried to update it, at the end of all of this, but can't even tell if this actually occurred. But I digress from the kicker to this tale of self-inflicted woeAs a result of being up half the night fiddling with all of this and a good part of the remainder of the night just not being able to sleep (so what the hell, get up at 5, after maybe 2 hrs sleep, and fiddle some more, right?!), I ended up blowing off the Greenfestival entirely, which was the very impetus for all this last minute urgency and scrambling! So much for the best laid plans of a misguided man! But, as they say, there's always tomorrow, and maybe by then I'll have a card or two, say, to hand to Ralph Nader after his closing talk. And at least I like irony. Where's Nader been, anyway, when it comes to all the problems with high tech so many of us seem to be increasingly having (not even counting this experience as part of that)? Maybe he'll surprise and announce that he's joining the fray we call Presidential elections. At least it would add some real entertainment, to go along with a weekend full of green. In fact, Nader once ran as a Green, now he's speaking to the Greenies; no doubt about the problems caused by all those who are consumed by green of another sort. And, while being green when it comes to things like computers and printing cards or creating websites is not generally a desirable thing to be, when it comes to becoming the world's most consequential person, being green doesn't seem to be all that bad a thing; maybe even a good thing, actually, by some accounts. But, of course, green or not, anyone wanting to seriously play the Presidential game sure needs a lot of the green stuff. Agreed? There will be, as they say, a second chance tomorrow - so long as I don't repeat the whole thing tonight, toiling into the wee hours again, trying to print cards that line up right, figure out how to do this or that in setting up a website, figuring out what happened to GoDaddy's wonderful-sounding promises of free blogging, etc. So going to have to do the hardest thing of all related to computers (at least for me) - turn the damn thing off and keep it off at some reasonable hour!! :) Why, oh why, can't someone invent a timed lock
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From: Randy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Computer Guys Announcements and Discussion List COMPUTERGUYS-L@listserv.aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Printing pains and computer-induced sleep disorder (CISD) The deal I got from GoDaddy is webhosting (though just got it for one month, to see) with ability to have unlimited websites (which I find appealing, as have several, very different types of websites and audiences in mind, though I noticed that you still have the same total disk space, if that will end up mattering) for only about $7. Plus, this includes getting one domain name for $2 instead of the usual $7or so. Plus think its supposed to include blogging capability. BTW, are you or any of your colleagues that you know of getting into things like internet radio or podcasting? Reminded of this because GoDaddy offers some of this as well. You know, virtual sermons or services or stuff like that. Wonder if any preaching or praying going on in Second Life - could be the next frontier for religious expansion - virtual religion. :) Randall - Original Message - From: Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Printing pains and computer-induced sleep disorder (CISD) Not that I know of. It was $15 a year which is pretty standard. Rates went up this year. (We reupped before the increase.) Part of the benefit of registering with them is you get web space. Stewart * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an email send 'em to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] == * Join the list: SUBSCRIBE COMPUTERGUYS-L Your Name * Too much mail? Try Daily Digests command: SET COMPUTERGUYS-L DIGEST * Tired of the List? Unsubscribe command: SIGNOFF COMPUTERGUYS-L * New address? From OLD address send: CHANGE COMPUTERGUYS-L YourNewAddress * Need more help? Send mail to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * List archive at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/ * RSS at www.mail-archive.com/computerguys-l@listserv.aol.com/maillist.xml * Messages bearing the header X-No-Archive: yes will not be archived
