Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
Kinda makes my original point, don't ya think? Nope. Makes mine. When an authority in the field gives a first person account that contradicts one of your previous assertions and you immediately respond by attacking the credentials of that authority it is a bad sign. When the contortions

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-25 Thread Jeff Wright
Umm, no, the original point was that Congress should not be trusted with anything to do with technology, since its record over the past decade or so is a sad and sorry tale. Did you forget that part already? I never realized that Gore fetishists could be so kinky with the mythos. I never

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-25 Thread Tom Piwowar
Umm, no, the original point was that Congress should not be trusted with anything to do with technology, since its record over the past decade or so is a sad and sorry tale. Did you forget that part already? I started this thread so you telling me what the original point was is a bit odd. No?

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-24 Thread Jeff Wright
I have to wonder if the politician's name in question was, say, Newt, and he gave to some *other* party that you'd be so quick to rush to his defense. Cerf's piece was a political contribution to the Gore campaign at the time, nothing more. His partisan contribution pattern put his assertions

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-24 Thread Jeff Wright
Good link, I hadn't seen that before. Kinda makes my original point, don't ya think? -Original Message- Read and weap (but heavens no politics!). The Best and Worst Internet Laws Date: Apr 20, 2007 By Eric Goldman. Over the past dozen years, the

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-24 Thread Michael Lewis
Jeff Wright sez: Kinda makes my original point, don't ya think? Nope. -- Michael Lewis Off Balance Productions [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.offbalance.com * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == *

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
I am kinda getting tired of this who invented the internet crap. Yes! STOP! STOP! STOP! Any conclusive demonstration of the facts could cause adverse results. Reality go away. Out! Out! Out! Leave us alone in our land of fantasy. How's about talking about computers and much more related

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
Since whan is putting your money where your mouth is an indication of insincerity? Would you denounce a doctor who gave money to the Red Cross? CERF, VINTON ANNANDALE,VA 22003 WORLD COM 9/7/2000 $5,000 Assn of State Dem Chairs/Dollrs for Dems

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-23 Thread David K. Watson
I'd also like to dispute the snide implication by Jeff that Vint Cerf is a partisan shill and so shouldn't be listened to, as evidenced by Cerf's contributions to various Dems. In the list Jeff gave, the Cerf's contributions to Dems started in the Clinton administration, AFTER Gore was

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-23 Thread Tom Piwowar
Read and weap (but heavens no politics!). The Best and Worst Internet Laws Date: Apr 20, 2007 By Eric Goldman. Over the past dozen years, the lure of regulating the Internet has proven irresistible to legislators. For example, in the 109th Congress, almost 1,100

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-22 Thread Michael Lewis
Art Clemons sez: Jeff Wright: Do you actually think Gore had the faintest idea of what was yet to come in 1989? His bill was for a top-down researcher's network using supercomputers, something that is the exact opposite of the Internet today. It was an appropriation that was eventually in

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-22 Thread Jeff Wright
Exactly. I choose to listen to Vint Cerf, undisputed as one of the Founding Fathers of the Internet who said of Al Gore while defending him from that false I invented the Internet meme: False? Not really. While the invented part was nothing more than a fish-in-the-barrel response from

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator? [Was: Email Security Contradictions

2007-04-22 Thread Tom Piwowar
Blinded by ideology, Jeff ranted... No one is denying that Gore put through funding that, in retrospect, was well timed, but Gore saying the I took the initiative in creating the Internet is like George Westinghouse saying that he took the initiative in creating Emiril Lagasse. Al Gore and the

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-22 Thread Rich Schinnell
I am kinda getting tired of this who invented the internet crap. How's about talking about computers and much more related subjects rather than peeing in the wind about political differences? * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND

Re: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-22 Thread Michael Lewis
Jeff Wright sez: Exactly. I choose to listen to Vint Cerf, undisputed as one of the Founding Fathers of the Internet who said of Al Gore while defending him from that false I invented the Internet meme: Do you mean this Vint Cerf? I'm sure it's just a coincidence that he wrote an op-ed

[CGUYS] Why are we inside? was: [CGUYS] Savvy Senator?

2007-04-22 Thread mike
I'm building cabinets...just put 900 sqft of laminate in...now working on kitchen cabinets. I think I'd rather be outside.. Mike * == QUICK LIST-COMMAND REFERENCE - Put the following commands in == * == the body of an