Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile Sidekick Data Lost Forever
The quote from MS itself (which I found at sidekick.com) was most, if not all. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:44 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) said early Thursday that it has been able to recover the personal data lost on many of T-Mobile USA's Sidekick users. Many...that sounds like government math. It would be interesting to see what 'many' means in this context. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:26 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Mike Sloane wrote: [This is going to put a crimp in the efforts to convince people that computing in the cloud is a good idea. MS] UPDATE: Microsoft Says It Has Recovered Lost Sidekick Data http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091015-710685.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile Sidekick Data Lost Forever
On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Mike Sloane wrote: [This is going to put a crimp in the efforts to convince people that computing in the cloud is a good idea. MS] UPDATE: Microsoft Says It Has Recovered Lost Sidekick Data http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091015-710685.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile Sidekick Data Lost Forever
NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) said early Thursday that it has been able to recover the personal data lost on many of T-Mobile USA's Sidekick users. Many...that sounds like government math. It would be interesting to see what 'many' means in this context. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:26 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Mike Sloane wrote: [This is going to put a crimp in the efforts to convince people that computing in the cloud is a good idea. MS] UPDATE: Microsoft Says It Has Recovered Lost Sidekick Data http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091015-710685.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile Sidekick Data Lost Forever
Well, it's great that the data is being recovered, and likely will be mostly / entirely recovered, but it's been gone for about two weeks now, and is being recovered progressively. A two-week plus interruption in service is not a very good recommendation for the cloud. At 01:26 PM 10/15/2009, tjpa wrote: On Oct 12, 2009, at 5:46 PM, Mike Sloane wrote: [This is going to put a crimp in the efforts to convince people that computing in the cloud is a good idea. MS] UPDATE: Microsoft Says It Has Recovered Lost Sidekick Data http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091015-710685.html * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile Sidekick Data Lost Forever
On Oct 15, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Fred Holmes wrote: Well, it's great that the data is being recovered, and likely will be mostly / entirely recovered, but it's been gone for about two weeks now, and is being recovered progressively. A two-week plus interruption in service is not a very good recommendation for the cloud. Some bloggers have speculated that this outage was engineered to put the scare into us about cloud services. M$ is not ready to compete in this arena and anything to slow down acceptance would certainly be to M $'s benefit. Blaming the cloud for this disaster is very wrong. There is no reason to believe that M$'s major competitors are as bad as managing their infrastructure as M$ seems to be. M$ did not make proper backups. That is not a cloud problem, that is a facilities management problem. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile Sidekick Data Lost Forever
At 02:42 PM 10/15/2009, tjpa wrote: Blaming the cloud for this disaster is very wrong. There is no reason to believe that M$'s major competitors are as bad as managing their infrastructure as M$ seems to be. M$ did not make proper backups. That is not a cloud problem, that is a facilities management problem. Wherever the problem is, it's not in some facility that the customer can, himself, proof. So he doesn't know how reliable his data protection is. That isn't good for one's only copy of a dataset. Fred Hlmes * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile Sidekick Data Lost Forever
Some bloggers have speculated that this outage was engineered to put the scare into us about cloud services. M$ is not ready to compete in this arena and anything to slow down acceptance would certainly be to M $'s benefit. There's always a conspiracy theorist. MS probably can't produce its birth certificate, either. Blaming the cloud for this disaster is very wrong. There is no reason to believe that M$'s major competitors are as bad as managing their infrastructure as M$ seems to be. M$ did not make proper backups. That is not a cloud problem, that is a facilities management problem. Exactly. This was just horrendous mismanagement by MS. I would've liked to have been a fly on the wall at THAT meeting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile Sidekick Data Lost Forever
Even if they did produce it, there would still be wackos that denied it was real. While not taking any blame from MS, this was outsourced to a third party who did the deed. I'm thinking Google doesn't outsource it's could based stuff like picasa etc? Or does it? On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: Some bloggers have speculated that this outage was engineered to put the scare into us about cloud services. M$ is not ready to compete in this arena and anything to slow down acceptance would certainly be to M $'s benefit. There's always a conspiracy theorist. MS probably can't produce its birth certificate, either. Blaming the cloud for this disaster is very wrong. There is no reason to believe that M$'s major competitors are as bad as managing their infrastructure as M$ seems to be. M$ did not make proper backups. That is not a cloud problem, that is a facilities management problem. Exactly. This was just horrendous mismanagement by MS. I would've liked to have been a fly on the wall at THAT meeting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] T-Mobile Sidekick Data Lost Forever
[This is going to put a crimp in the efforts to convince people that computing in the cloud is a good idea. MS] Posted: Monday, 12 October 2009 9:47AM T-Mobile Sidekick Data Lost Forever NEW YORK (AP) -- Owners of Sidekick phones, made by a Microsoft subsidiary and sold by T-Mobile USA, may have lost all the personal data they stored on the phone, including contact numbers. The companies say the data is ``almost certainly'' gone after a failure of servers operated by Microsoft wiped out the data. The companies said they hoped to update customers on recovery efforts Monday. The phones have been troubled by data outages for more than a week. Some users attempted to restart their phones by removing the battery, which erases data on the device. Normally, the data is then restored from servers, but with the server data gone, the device is left empty. Because of that, customers are being advised not to let the battery completely run down either. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
well, would somebody be good enuf to repeat the info...please! With considerable effort, two easy-to-use online archives were set up for the List. Should we have not bothered? What is your aversion to using the archive? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
People aren't happy about AT$T's new pricing either. Text is practically free to send but because of it's increasing use, I think the telcos are raking in some extra cash. I've been fairly lucky as I have tmobile, but I got in under the unlimited text for 10 bux a month. I have no data plan with tmobile, but I get all my email forwarded to my phone nonetheless and I also get an obscene number of texts from twitter. Has anyone tried the new sprint 99 dollars for everything? Mike On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 9:55 AM, b_s-wilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
T-Mobile way out west in Northern California/Oregon is one of the poorer carriers. T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:56 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
I don't doubt at all, but in my case in AZ, I've had nothing but good luck for years with tmobile support. They are always helpful and the times I've needed/asked for a credit over an issue there isn't even a discussion, it's simply given. Now their coverage is horrid, but it works for me. Mike On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T-Mobile way out west in Northern California/Oregon is one of the poorer carriers. T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:56 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
In the US and Canada Cell phone coverage is at best a regional thing. As I remember it, Cell phone areas at first were sold off to regional carriers, and so as they have merged they have kept pretty much to regional type coverage. Plus many of the domestic cell phone companies are legacies of the old Baby Bells. (Verizon, ATT) so that we have good coverage in one area, and lousy coverage in another. Plus what many do not realize is that a percentage of the stores you deal with are not company stores. They are franchise stores operated by a franchise holder. (We have a Verizon store in town but it is not owned by Verizon so I cannot get deals or warranty work done here I must travel 25 miles to the Verizon owned store to do so.) So that may be some of the reason for good personal service in one are and lousy personal service in another. Canada does not have as big a problem as we do as they have less vendors covering their cell phones. (Rogers and Bell are the two biggest if I remember) Plus we pay more for our cell phone coverage because we get discounts on our phones. They subsidies their phones with higher rates. Plus our landline coverage is cheaper than it is in Europe. (They all have metered service!!!) It is easy to complain when you compare apples and plums. Stewart At 12:45 PM 7/25/2008, you wrote: I don't doubt at all, but in my case in AZ, I've had nothing but good luck for years with tmobile support. They are always helpful and the times I've needed/asked for a credit over an issue there isn't even a discussion, it's simply given. Now their coverage is horrid, but it works for me. Mike Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
anybody know about their coverage in SC, NC, MD, DC, VA? seems good from the maps. Well, i've only check the Carolinas. mike wrote: I don't doubt at all, but in my case in AZ, I've had nothing but good luck for years with tmobile support. They are always helpful and the times I've needed/asked for a credit over an issue there isn't even a discussion, it's simply given. Now their coverage is horrid, but it works for me. Mike On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T-Mobile way out west in Northern California/Oregon is one of the poorer carriers. T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:56 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Larry Sacks wrote: T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. A decent _what_? -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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In some cases, apples and baseballs. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is easy to complain when you compare apples and plums. Stewart * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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and, the Carolinas (the areas I'm interested in) are roaming coverage. not the 850MHz roaming. what does that mean? Judy Cosler wrote: anybody know about their coverage in SC, NC, MD, DC, VA? seems good from the maps. Well, i've only check the Carolinas. mike wrote: I don't doubt at all, but in my case in AZ, I've had nothing but good luck for years with tmobile support. They are always helpful and the times I've needed/asked for a credit over an issue there isn't even a discussion, it's simply given. Now their coverage is horrid, but it works for me. Mike On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Larry Sacks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: T-Mobile way out west in Northern California/Oregon is one of the poorer carriers. T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of b_s-wilk Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:56 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? WARNING: Rant I just got a notice from T-Mobile. They raised their fees for SMS/text to 20 cents incoming/outgoing. That's outrageous! Is this a reaction to a US market that doesn't complain when prices are raised for no reason? Or is this to counter the European Union's actions to reduce price gouging by Euro telcos? Looks like T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom is making up lost fees in the EU by raising our rates, although their 2007 earnings look good. The least that ALL telcos should do is have free incoming texts so we don't have to pay for spam texts. I'm seriously considering switching to 7-11 SpeakOut [lowered their charges for voice and text in 1/08], or buying another SpeakOut phone and using it for text [5 cents incoming/outgoing texts, 15 cents/min voice, 1 yr expiration] and keeping T-Mobile PAYGO for voice [10 cents/min, $100 refill, 1 yr expiration]. Wish they sold the dual SIM phones in the US so I wouldn't have to carry two phones, but, again, the United States is far behind other countries when it comes to mobile as well as broadband. The international United Mobile SIM card has free incoming calls in 80 countries, but not here. TravelSIM has free incoming calls and texts in many countries, but not here. The US can't compete because Americans, except sometimes in Philadelphia region, don't demand fair prices. Instead we get nickeled and dimed to death by the likes of Verizon and ATT, paying $50-60/month for services that cost $30-35/month elsewhere. Eurozone smart phones are much cheaper too, Nokia N95 €29 euros w/18 mo. plan vs. $600 in US, no plan available. If you primarily use voice, T-Mobile has the best deal, as long as the reception is good. If you text more than talk, try SpeakOut [uses ATT GoPhone network, phones sold only at 7-11 stores] No 7-11 near you? Have a friend pick one up for you. Betty Take a look here: http://www.prepaidreviews.com/bestrated.html I think they give a pretty good rundown of all the services. I just changed my regular Verizon service to pre-pay. Judy Cosler wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile?
Depending on your little or no coverage and maybe higher cost coverage. It may also mean analog versus digital. Verizon does this with their pre-paid service. The coverage is not nearly as good as their conventual coverage. Stewart At 02:37 PM 7/25/2008, you wrote: and, the Carolinas (the areas I'm interested in) are roaming coverage. not the 850MHz roaming. what does that mean? Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prince of Peace Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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go here for information overload: http://www.howardforums.com/forumdisplay.php?s=253b9c041bc57e66c559bcf81663c3c0forumid=34 they know more about cell phones than cguys know about macs. and they are even more anal than cguys, if that is humanly possible(both groups may be a sub specie of humans) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Whoops... so much for proofing my email before sending... :-) decent signal -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vicky Staubly Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:59 AM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? On Fri, 25 Jul 2008, Larry Sacks wrote: T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. A decent _what_? -- Vicky Staubly http://www.steeds.com/vicky/[EMAIL PROTECTED] * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. I agree that the T-Mobile stores are terrible, but you can get T-Mobile phones at CCity, Walmart, etc. I do not agree with you about their call-in customer service people. I love dealing with T-Mobile over the phone. Wait times are short. They are courteous and efficient. They know their products and make an extra effort to solve problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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anybody know about their coverage in SC, NC, MD, DC, VA? seems good from the maps. Well, i've only check the Carolinas. I have never lacked connectivity in the DC metro area, except when working in basements and certain monumental buildings with very heavy walls or when riging the Metro. The DC Metro has a exclusive contract with ATT (which I think should have been declared illegal). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Holy nokia batman I agree with Tom. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not agree with you about their call-in customer service people. I love dealing with T-Mobile over the phone. Wait times are short. They are courteous and efficient. They know their products and make an extra effort to solve problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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My limited (thankfully) experience with T-Mobile was when I bought their service through Amazon. I had decent coverage 3 blocks from my house, less decent 2 blocks from my house and even less service at my house, although their system maps showed my zip code had great coverage. I guess my 50+ year-old wood frame house was too much of an impediment. I did get decent coverage in my bathroom, but I really wanted to be able to use the phone in other rooms too. I had no particular desire to go to Circuit City or Walmart, etc even though I knew I could buy the phone from them. I actually bought it from Amazon and they were great and easy to deal with. The customer service people I spoke with were nice, but they were ineffective and not given authority to actively try to solve problems - besides suggesting power cycling the phone, waving a dead chicken over it, etc. At Day 26, I suggested we replace the phone and they felt that was a good idea, but hadn't suggested that themselves. This was back in 2003, so maybe they've gotten better since then. Their coverage is still lacking out this way so I'm not about to try to find out again. I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree on their call-in customer service. Larry -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:31 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? T-Mobile has a strong presence in Southern California... I was with them for about 35 days and their customer service people were beyond incompetent. Heck, you couldn't even get a decent at the local T-Mobile store. I agree that the T-Mobile stores are terrible, but you can get T-Mobile phones at CCity, Walmart, etc. I do not agree with you about their call-in customer service people. I love dealing with T-Mobile over the phone. Wait times are short. They are courteous and efficient. They know their products and make an extra effort to solve problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Don't be too surprised.. it does happen every now and then... ;-) -Original Message- From: Computer Guys Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:59 PM To: COMPUTERGUYS-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: [CGUYS] T-Mobile? Holy nokia batman I agree with Tom. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not agree with you about their call-in customer service people. I love dealing with T-Mobile over the phone. Wait times are short. They are courteous and efficient. They know their products and make an extra effort to solve problems. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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well, would somebody be good enuf to repeat the info...please! Tom Piwowar wrote: was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? Yes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You might find it doing a search on the C-Guys page. I found this for you which might help: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=t-mobilel=computerguys-l%40listserv.aol.com In the meantime, you'll have to forgive the previous response Richard P. well, would somebody be good enuf to repeat the info...please! was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? Yes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/plans/ Hit the prepaid link on the left. That will tell you all about the plan. Mike On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 7:36 PM, Richard P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might find it doing a search on the C-Guys page. I found this for you which might help: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=t-mobilel=computerguys-l%40listserv.aol.com In the meantime, you'll have to forgive the previous response Richard P. well, would somebody be good enuf to repeat the info...please! was it on this list that somebody recently posted about using a cheapie T-Mobile plan? Yes. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
