Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Don't start getting facts in the way of Tom's BS Have you presented any facts yourself? No, just fanatical M$ B$. I know: HOW DARE THEY RUN BENCHMARKS! They should just humbly genuflect. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Ars has a nice article with the bizarre news that XP mode in W7 requires _specific_ versions of AMD or Intel's processors: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/05/r2e-microsoft-intel-goof- up-windows-7s-xp-mode.ars Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Don't start getting facts in the way of Tom's BS Have you presented any facts yourself? No, just fanatical M$ B$. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Actually if you'd been reading the posts you'd note I hadn't said anything about MS BS, just your BS. Maybe drink some tea or something, calm down, take a walk? On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Don't start getting facts in the way of Tom's BS Have you presented any facts yourself? No, just fanatical M$ B$. I know: HOW DARE THEY RUN BENCHMARKS! They should just humbly genuflect. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Actually if you'd been reading the posts you'd note I hadn't said anything about MS BS, just your BS. Maybe drink some tea or something, calm down, take a walk? Go watch the calming fishes that cguys.org so thoughtfully provides. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Speed Test: Windows 7 May Not Be Much Faster Than Vista http://www.pcworld.com/article/164485/speed_test_windows_7_may_not_be_much_ faster_than_vista.html PC World's speed tests against Vista show Win7 is 1-4 percent faster, below the threshold of human perception. Why am I not $urprised? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Speed Test: Windows 7 May Not Be Much Faster Than Vista http://www.pcworld.com/article/164485/speed_test_windows_7_may_not_be_much_ faster_than_vista.html PC World's speed tests against Vista show Win7 is 1-4 percent faster, below the threshold of human perception. Wow. They couldn't even wait for the article to whip out the weasel words. *May* not be *much* faster? On a synthetic test? Ye gods! What an indictment! Guards! Guards! Why am I not $urprised? Because, like the Spanish Inquisition, no one ever expects confirmation bias (not). BTW, is the $ pronounced like a lisp or more of a whistle? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Wow. They couldn't even wait for the article to whip out the weasel words. *May* not be *much* faster? On a synthetic test? Is this the best you could do? I guess it is tough not having right on your side. Why am I nor $urprised? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Is this the best you could do? *I* don't have to do much at all. The question you should be asking, Is this the best the reviewer could do? I guess it is tough not having right on your side. Very true, which is why the article comes off as so weak. Speaking of weak: PC World's speed tests against Vista show Win7 is 1-4 percent faster, below the threshold of human perception. When the subject was DDR3 RAM, the measly 2-5% increase in performance was worth real money to you. Now, a virtually identical range is imperceptible. Which is it? Oh, you have conflicting opinions again. Me? Surprised? Nah. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Writers in the tech press are stating frankly that M$ (lisp or whistle here, which ever appeals) is continuing their trend of slowing operating systems. XP was slower than NT/2000. Vista is slower than XP. Now w7 will be slower than Vista. My dog can detect trends this obvious! Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- Wow. They couldn't even wait for the article to whip out the weasel words. *May* not be *much* faster? On a synthetic test? Ye gods! What an indictment! Guards! Guards! Why am I not $urprised? Because, like the Spanish Inquisition, no one ever expects confirmation bias (not). BTW, is the $ pronounced like a lisp or more of a whistle? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Writers in the tech press are stating frankly that M$ (lisp or whistle here, which ever appeals) is continuing their trend of slowing operating systems. XP was slower than NT/2000. Vista is slower than XP. Now w7 will be slower than Vista. My dog can detect trends this obvious! Time to send Fido back to trend analysis school. Even the article didn't say that Win7 is slower than Vista. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Time to send Fido back to trend analysis school. Even the article didn't say that Win7 is slower than Vista. As you pointed out, testing used synthetic benchmarks. Vendors tend to code for these well-known benchmarks. We expect real world experience to be worse. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
As you pointed out, testing used synthetic benchmarks. Vendors tend to code for these well-known benchmarks. We expect real world experience to be worse. Actually, the expectation is that real-world results will be just be different. Synthetic benchmarks only measure what they were designed to measure. Let's just conveniently forget the hundreds of hands-on reviews that *all* indicated much better performance on the same hardware over Vista. We found the one that says what you want it to say. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
You have a talent for missing the obvious. My comment about DDR was in regards to one improvement out of many. A series of small improvements will add up: 2% here, 3% there, 1% someplace else... and the total can be 20%, 30%, 40%, 100% or more. That's how the job is done. You said no such thing in this instance. You said: Old benchmarks run with old chipsets that don't take advantage of DDR3 show speed increases of 2 to 5 percent. Not much, but not bad for $12. You then tried to pull a fast one by linking to a Mac Mini review that was faster for all sorts of reasons other than the RAM. So which is it? Is 1-4% not bad or imperceptible? Note that 75% of the range of 1-4% is within 2-5%. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Just for grins and googles, I did sample searches and found the following: Results 1 - 10 of about 4,350 for windows 7 faster http://www.google.com/search?source=ighl=enrlz=q=%22windows+7+faster%22a q=foq= Results 1 - 10 of about 98 for windows 7 slower http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=%22windows+7+slower%22 A 44-1 ratio of the word faster over slower. And, oh look!, a review where Win7 is faster than both Vista and XP SP3: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3187 It all depends on what you measure and how you measure performance. -Original Message- As you pointed out, testing used synthetic benchmarks. Vendors tend to code for these well-known benchmarks. We expect real world experience to be worse. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
A 44-1 ratio of the word faster over slower. Did you search on unimpressive? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Jeff Wright As you pointed out, testing used synthetic benchmarks. Vendors tend to code for these well-known benchmarks. We expect real world experience to be worse. Actually, the expectation is that real-world results will be just be different. Synthetic benchmarks only measure what they were designed to measure. Let's just conveniently forget the hundreds of hands-on reviews that *all* indicated much better performance on the same hardware over Vista. We found the one that says what you want it to say. The only thing I've heard of definitively is that it doesn't require as much in the line of resources (memory, graphics performance, etc.) System performance is still waiting for Release Candidate experience. -- Take care | This clown speaks for himself, his job doesn't Wayne D. | supply this, at least not directly What's 20,000 lawyers rotting in a swamp? A GOOD Start! * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Mac Mini review that was faster for all sorts of reasons Despite your ureasoned commentary, the text you quote makes exactly that point faster for all sorts of reasons. That's the difference of looking at parts vs looking at the whole. This magazine's speed test shows that as a whole Win7 is unimpressive. QED Perhaps you want to start a rant about PCWorld being a bunch of Mac zealots? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Let's just conveniently forget the hundreds of hands-on reviews that *all* indicated much better performance on the same hardware over Vista. We found the one that says what you want it to say. PCWorld is the first to run scientific benchmarks. I find your don't-bother-me-with-the-facts attitude appalling. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Despite your ureasoned commentary, the text you quote makes exactly that point faster for all sorts of reasons. That's the difference of looking at parts vs looking at the whole. This magazine's speed test shows that as a whole Win7 is unimpressive. Guard, turn, dodge, parry, spin, thrust! Can't answer the question? I didn't think you could. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
You bet it's appalling, that's exclusively your gig. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: PCWorld is the first to run scientific benchmarks. I find your don't-bother-me-with-the-facts attitude appalling. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
PCWorld is the first to run scientific benchmarks. Three unconfirmed tests by some slacker are scientific? You sound like a fine, upstanding young man, allow me to tell you about a slightly used bridge I have for sale. Oh, and no they aren't the first; far from it. I linked to a scientific test posted in December 2008 that showed very different results. I find your don't-bother-me-with-the-facts attitude appalling. I find your just-show-me-the-facts-I-want-to-see attitude sad. Funny too, but mostly sad. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
FWIW, I installed Win 7 RC on a Intel dual core w 2 gigs ram and a nvidia 512 graphics card. 160gb new SATA drive in less than 20 minutes to the final desktop. YMMV Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Win7 Speed Improvement Was M$ B$
Don't start getting facts in the way of Tom's BS, I'm using it to help get my yard in this weekend. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Rich Schinnell richnrockvi...@gmail.comwrote: FWIW, I installed Win 7 RC on a Intel dual core w 2 gigs ram and a nvidia 512 graphics card. 160gb new SATA drive in less than 20 minutes to the final desktop. YMMV Rich * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
