On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
A failure that hasn't been released yet? Interesting point of view.
Perhaps we should wait just a bit.
You have to be smart enough to come in out of the rain to understand
the concept. Standing there until you are soaked and sneezing is not
Yeah, come in from the rain and start making stuff up where it's warm and
dry. Truth holds no value just blast those neomicrosofticons.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 6:52 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
A failure that hasn't been released yet?
Well mr moneybags, 2500 dollars to listen to a ten dollar cd is cost
prohibitive to a lot of people.
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Eric S. Sande esa...@erols.com wrote:
A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive.
Beg to differ. One of the fastest growing and most innovative
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote:
A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive.
Beg to differ. One of the fastest growing and most innovative areas
of hi-fi is in headphone systems. The youngsters all ready use Ipods
and Zunes, they all ready
I have a computer hooked up to a pioneer receiver with svideo and digital
audio, I've put all my cds and some dvds on the computer and can play
anything with my ipod touch working as the remote. Since it's controlled
via wifi, I don't even have t be in the same room.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:48
Well mr moneybags, 2500 dollars to listen to a ten dollar cd is cost
prohibitive to a lot of people.
OK, I'll accept that. But consider it from a different perspective.
If you bought one $10 CD a week for 30 years, you'd have 1500
CDs, which is a respectable but not even close to impressive
Another perspective on why Zune HD is a failure...
Bad Idea #5. Go one better. As the rise and fall of Friendfeed
indicates, copying the basic functionality of a successful
application (Twitter, in this case) and adding a few new features --
doing the same thing slightly better from some
Another perspective on why Zune HD is a failure...
A failure that hasn't been released yet? Interesting point of view. Perhaps we
should wait just a bit.
Reminds me of Dave Barry, who starts referring to new administrations as
failed on about January 21.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Rev. Stewart
Marshallpopoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
Actually I think the biggest purveyors of HD radio are Public Radio
Stations.
I agree. Most commercial stations have no desire to offer a variety
of programs. They are typically rigidly locked into a single
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:
The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition.
While I agreed with your description of what HD is an abbreviation
for, the use of the term HD can be determined by any entity that
employs that term. In
TWO OUT OF TWO TOMS AGREE...
The comment is derived from a general consensus by analysts that
Microsoft's portable media player missed its mark, and doesn't look
to gain any ground in its battle against Apple's iPhone and iPod
Touch anytime soon.
The market reception for Zune is so
OKAY WFBs, EDUCATE ME. CAN THE ZUNE HD DO THIS TOO?
With TomTom for iPhone, millions of iPhone users can now benefit
from the same easy-to-use and intuitive interface, turn-by-turn
spoken navigation and unique routing technology that our 30 million
portable navigation device users rely on
From the ars technica article that your battery numbers come
from:
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/08/zune-hd-specs-reveal-battery-life-estimates-format-support.ars
Battery life is cited as up to 24 hours (wireless off) for music
and up to four hours for video, but this seemed a
Now tell me, doesn't this business sound the least bit suspicious to
you?
I believe I already stated that both mfrs make exaggerated claims on battery
life, at least that's what I've seen from reports of field testing the
battery life on the Touch.
OKAY WFBs, EDUCATE ME. CAN THE ZUNE HD DO THIS TOO?
With TomTom for iPhone, millions of iPhone users can now benefit
from the same easy-to-use and intuitive interface, turn-by-turn
spoken navigation and unique routing technology that our 30 million
portable navigation device users rely on
On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
I believe I already stated that both mfrs make exaggerated claims
on battery
life, at least that's what I've seen from reports of field testing the
battery life on the Touch.
The old argument Everybody's doing it so why can't I?
In truth,
TWO OUT OF TWO TOMS AGREE...
The comment is derived from a general consensus by analysts that
Microsoft's portable media player missed its mark, and doesn't look
to gain any ground in its battle against Apple's iPhone and iPod
Touch anytime soon.
We all know that market analysts are *never*
The old argument Everybody's doing it so why can't I?
You saw an argument in there? You saw a defense of making exaggerated
claims?
Not to worry, I'm sure chronic paranoia will be covered under O-Care.
In truth, reviewers report Apple's estimates to be quite conservative.
I've seen the
On Aug 17, 2009, at 6:49 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Seriously? You're comparing a product with an established
ecosystem (thanks
largely to the iPhone, not the Touch) to one that isn't even for
sale yet?
You completely ignore the question I asked and substitute a straw-man
in its stead. Quite
You completely ignore the question I asked and substitute a straw-man
in its stead. Quite intellectually dishonest.
I didn't ignore your idiotic and pointless jingoism. You should be
flattered.
Of course you don't want to discuss if such applications will run in
the Zune HD.
Go nuts. Tell
A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive.
Beg to differ. One of the fastest growing and most innovative areas
of hi-fi is in headphone systems. The youngsters all ready use Ipods
and Zunes, they all ready have computers.
They may not have the scratch for a full blown rig, but
On Aug 15, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
As you know, he has been asked repeatedly for this information. I
asked him at least three times in the last Zune thread to provide
reasons why Zune is vastly inferior and got no response beyond
the usual. This is a question that won't be
I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name.
Well, I have to agree that Sarah Palin lost my vote for the Republican
ticket, the official one.
It would be good to see what you object to specifically with Zune,
not that I generally care about mass market crap, anyway.
?
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
Wow.
http://rantsandstuff.com/2009/06/01/nitpicking-the-zune-hd/
It’s the little things like this that make me wonder what else did they
not pay that much attention to? They
Well we know from sales figures the Zune isn't mass market so you must be
referring to Tom.
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I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name.
Well, I have to agree that Sarah Palin lost my vote for the
I think Sarah Palin joined the List under an assumed name.
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As you know, he has been asked repeatedly for this information. I
asked him at least three times in the last Zune thread to provide
reasons why Zune is vastly inferior and got no response beyond
the usual. This is a question that won't be answered with any logic.
I think Sarah Palin
Screen size:
Remember size is roughly the square of the diagonal. Taking
second digit rounding into account that could be as much as 18%
difference. That is a worst case number, but it agrees pretty
closely with the computation in pixels: 480x320 vs. 480x272
(17.6% more for the Touch). Yes, I
On Aug 16, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote:
It would be good to see what you object to specifically with Zune,
not that I generally care about mass market crap, anyway.
Someone else said it, but I will repeat it once again because it is
so brilliantly succinct...
M$ is skating to
This has got to be an act, Tom can't be this obtuse and still feed himself.
All the world's a stage and all the men and women are merely players. Play
on Tom.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:49 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Aug 16, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote:
It would be good
Why are you wasting your time defending such mediocrity?
I don't waste time defending mediocrity.
You all ready know my views on what is trash and what is not.
These devices are seriously compromised in delivering high
quality audio. And I include the Ipod. We might as well be
talking about
Are there any portable players with sound you do like? I'm not trying to be
a smartass, just trying to educate myself. I know you follow
this particular area a lot more then I do.
I've never been much of a audiophile, I've listened to a LOT of music at
work over the last few decades, always on
AH OK so you are a snob audiophile that would rather listen to a high
end Macinstosh than a high end Apple.
No. Not exactly. If it sounds good it is good.
I don't have McIntosh gear, that isn't in my price range.
But I'm pretty experienced and I can tell if what I'm hearing is a pony
versus
AH OK so you are a snob audiophile that would rather listen to a high
end Macinstosh than a high end Apple.
I like.
Stewart
At 02:22 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote:
Why are you wasting your time defending such mediocrity?
I don't waste time defending mediocrity.
You all ready know my views on
Battery life:
I said *advertised* battery life and I'm sticking with that. The HD
numbers you quote comes from something MS reportedly sent
to engadget. However, MS's own store as of a few minutes ago
says 24 hours audio, 4 hours video:
On Aug 16, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote:
But I'm pretty experienced and I can tell if what I'm hearing is a
pony
versus a pile of pony crap.
Are you denigrating MP3 or iPods? Have you listened to an Apple
lossless file on an iPod?
Apple's lossless compression makes iTunes an
Are there any portable players with sound you do like?
Sure, it's possible. Actually the Ipod isn't bad but it doesn't
have a digital output that will feed a portable DAC and amp.
Very good systems can be built around an Ipod but the Ipod's
onboard DAC and amp are shite. As long as you see
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote:
They are what they are. No one with any serious interest in
music takes them as anything more than that.
Precisely. As an avid listener of good music, and and all genres
are welcomed if the offerings are of high caliber,
Are you denigrating MP3 or iPods? Have you listened to an Apple
lossless file on an iPod?
See my subsequent post.
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote:
Any portables out there you do like? Any suggestions for someone wanting to
see if they can hear the difference?
No portables, even those played via a docking system with some
attached speakers, will sound anything like real
A lot people of any generation, the cost is prohibitive.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:38 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote:
Anecdotally, a lot of youngsters these days have never seriously
listened to music on a REAL
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:15 PM, TPiwowart...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Aug 16, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote:
But I'm pretty experienced and I can tell if what I'm hearing is a pony
versus a pile of pony crap.
Are you denigrating MP3 or iPods? Have you listened to an Apple lossless
file
I don't think it's quality that is so much the point with HD radio as much
as more content.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 1:28 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Eric S. Sandeesa...@erols.com wrote:
As to HD radio over earbuds, you would never hear
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 4:43 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think it's quality that is so much the point with HD radio as much
as more content.
Perhaps so, but radio stations most certainly use the quality thing
to convince listeners that they should invest in HD radio receivers.
Perhaps so, but radio stations most certainly use the quality thing
to convince listeners that they should invest in HD radio receivers.
Whadda ya think HD is an abbreviation for? Certainly nothing to do
with content.
The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition.
Well, okay, but compared to what?
I guess that wasn't a good answer because it comes down to
expectation. If all someone has ever heard is recorded music,
it is logical to conclude that that is their standard.
I am not willing to open the worm can here.
But I will say that for those who have
Again HUH?
HD stands for Hybrid Digital in radio language it has all to do with
programming.
Offering different audio streams of different content on a hybrid
digital channel.
The HD they are talking about for the Ipod/Zune has to do with Video
output which has a totally different
HUH?
A decent lower level receiver with a decent set of speakers (I am not
talking audio[phile quality) will not set you back much more than
what you are spending on your ipods/accessories.
Secondly they last a lot longer. Current amp/receiver set up I am
using is at least 10 years old.
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:
The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition.
True. Still, stations tout the audio quality when talking up HD
radio even though an awful lot of their HD programming is talk stuff
where great sound is
Actually I think the biggest purveyors of HD radio are Public Radio Stations.
Stewart
At 08:49 PM 8/16/2009, you wrote:
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Jeff Wrightjswri...@gmail.com wrote:
The HD in HD Radio stands for hybrid digital, not high definition.
True. Still, stations tout the
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall
popoz...@earthlink.net wrote:
Actually I think the biggest purveyors of HD radio are Public Radio
Stations.
The two major markets I know the best seem to list most of the stations as
having an HD Radio transmitter according to
On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
Wow.
Hooks up to the TV, just like my wife's 3-year old iPod. Wow indeed.
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On Aug 14, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Pretty friggin awesome. Very zippy. Very smooth.
A thought. They hope to win market share by undercutting Apple's
current price, but are introducing a model that is technically
several years behind Apple's current models. Taking that into
And your wife's has that much cleaner interface? Does 720p out? Does HD
radio?
On a related note, is Apple *any* closer to offering 1080p content? I
figured since the format wars are over, we'd finally see apple release some
HD hardware.
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:24 AM, TPiwowar
Where is the zune HD behind on the touch?
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:30 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Aug 14, 2009, at 9:47 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
Pretty friggin awesome. Very zippy. Very smooth.
A thought. They hope to win market share by undercutting Apple's current
price, but
On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
Wow.
http://rantsandstuff.com/2009/06/01/nitpicking-the-zune-hd/
It’s the little things like this that make me wonder what else did
they not pay that much attention to? They couldn’t have dropped the
menu font just a tad to make it fit on
On Aug 15, 2009, at 1:40 PM, mike wrote:
Where is the zune HD behind on the touch?
One of the commentators hit the nail squarely on the head...
M$ is skating to where the puck was, not where it will be.
Bravo!
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On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
Wow.
The Zune HD prices look good compared to today's iPod Touches, but
not so much compared to the new camera-equipped ones Apple is set to
announce next month (16/32/64 GB for $199/299/399). Same price,
double the size, and photos. Not
So first you want to compare it to the first gen ipod touch that are
refurb...now you want to compare them to unreleased ipod touches...
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Aug 14, 2009, at 11:34 PM, Chris Dunford wrote:
Wow.
The Zune HD prices look good
I'll take that as you haven't looked at an specs or reviews of the product.
Shocking.
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Aug 15, 2009, at 1:40 PM, mike wrote:
Where is the zune HD behind on the touch?
One of the commentators hit the nail squarely on the
A thought. They hope to win market share by undercutting Apple's
current price, but are introducing a model that is technically
several years behind Apple's current models.
[citation needed]
Notice how my post said nothing at all about iPod's, it simply extolled how
nice the Zune HD was, yet
So first you want to compare it to the first gen ipod touch that are
refurb...now you want to compare them to unreleased ipod touches...
Those goal posts aren't going to move themselves, you know!
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On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 1:34 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote:
On a related note, is Apple *any* closer to offering 1080p content? I
figured since the format wars are over, we'd finally see apple release some
HD hardware.
What is the value in having a 1080p image on a screen of such a tiny
I know I'm nitpicking...
That's all that really needed to be said.
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The zune offers 720 out...meaning you can hook it to a 65 widescreen and
get 720p out. Appletv is only 720p right now, they offer no 1080p support
on anything apple. Kinda strange for a platform that is targeted for media.
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 11:32 AM, phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 2:48 PM, mikexha...@gmail.com wrote:
The zune offers 720 out...meaning you can hook it to a 65 widescreen and
get 720p out.
I understand. I was thinking of watching video at such a resolution
on a tiny screen. Thanks.
Steve
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I'll stick with my own bigotry, ignorance and confirmation bias.
FTFY
Mac zealots. The best free advertising Microsoft can have.
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Where is the zune HD behind on the touch?
Well, there's:
Screen size
advertised battery life
bluetooth
apps (by about 64,000 or so)
and of course, availability
Because of that last one, the jury is still out on things like actual
usability issues, reliability,
Where is the zune HD behind on the touch?
Well, there's:
Screen size
(Zune HD) vs. (iPod Touch)
3.3 vs. 3.5 Will you really notice?
advertised battery life
Music: 33 hours vs. 36 hours
Video: 8.5 hours vs. 6 hours
The OLED tech comes through here.
Bluetooth
No word either way on
On Aug 15, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
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I'll stick with my own bigotry, ignorance and confirmation bias.
Note that our WFBs are now manufacturing false posts to further their
evil disinformation campaign.
Can't prevail on the facts.
Can't
Too bad the MFB couldn't list any facts. You were asked...several times.
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM, TPiwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote:
On Aug 15, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Jeff Wright wrote:
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I'll stick with my own bigotry, ignorance and confirmation
Too bad the MFB couldn't list any facts. You were asked...several times.
As you know, he has been asked repeatedly for this information. I asked him at
least three times in the last Zune thread to provide reasons why Zune is
vastly inferior and got no response beyond the
usual. This is a
Note that our WFBs are now manufacturing false posts to further their
evil disinformation campaign.
BWAHAHAHAHA!
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Pretty friggin awesome. Very zippy. Very smooth.
http://gizmodo.com/5337532/zune-hd-tv-interface-makes-it-a-media-center-for-
your-pocket
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Pretty friggin awesome. Very zippy. Very smooth.
http://gizmodo.com/5337532/zune-hd-tv-interface-makes-it-a-media-center-for-your-pocket
Wow.
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