Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
If her iTunes library is mostly ripped from CDs or stolen MP3s from P2P nets then the files can just be copied over. Some are iTunes DRM and some are ripped from her own CDs. P2P is not permitted in the house (and is blocked via OpenDNS). She is not trying to do anything illegal. But isn't this a case of one mistake begetting another? If your iTunes software is crashing it means your PC is misconfigured. Why not fix that? See below. That is not why she wants to switch. (By the way, software that crashes because a PC is misconfigured, whatever that means in this context, is bad software. In any event, iTunes routinely crashes on all 3 PCs we've tried it on.) Replacing an iPod with a Zune is a cruel joke. Are you one of those parents who believes in the educational value of failure? She wants to switch because she has used both extensively (her brother has a Zune) and prefers the Zune. But perhaps she can be saved. If you can list the reasons why she is mistaken, I will pass them along and set her back on the path to righteousness. Just be sure to base your comparisons on the Zune 80, not on the original 2006 model. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Jeff Wright wrote: I rip/buy all my music as un-DRM'd MP3s to a folder on my hard drive and manage it from there through Windows Explorer and Media Monkey. I hope that iTunes doesn't screw up the perfectly usable system I have in place, tho' I've been told it won't. I remain skeptical. Jeff, iTunes will work well with this setup. I have been doing that exact procedure for a year now. I even link my library to the Amarok player for Linux. John * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: But isn't this a case of one mistake begetting another? If your iTunes software is crashing it means your PC is misconfigured. Why not fix that? See below. That is not why she wants to switch. (By the way, software that crashes because a PC is misconfigured, whatever that means in this context, is bad software. In any event, iTunes routinely crashes on all 3 PCs we've tried it on.) Not a problem I have had on my old XP machine with iTunes. This sounds like a windows problem. Is windows kept current with updates? Replacing an iPod with a Zune is a cruel joke. Are you one of those parents who believes in the educational value of failure? She wants to switch because she has used both extensively (her brother has a Zune) and prefers the Zune. But perhaps she can be saved. If you can list the reasons why she is mistaken, I will pass them along and set her back on the path to righteousness. Just be sure to base your comparisons on the Zune 80, not on the original 2006 model. I would consider getting a Zune just for the FM tuner. The subscription model for music service is attractive. I don't listen to that much music. and I own lots of things I like on CD. The big downside for me is it isn't supported by Audible.com. The Apple FM tuner leaves much to be desired and it is easier to carry a small fm walkman and an iPod. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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But perhaps she can be saved. If you can list the reasons why she is mistaken, I will pass them along and set her back on the path to righteousness. Just be sure to base your comparisons on the Zune 80, not on the original 2006 model. Are you comparing the 2008 Zune to Apple's 2001 classic iPod design or Apple's 2008 iTouch design? The 2008 Zune doesn't even compare well to the Creative Zen or the SanDisk Sansa lines. MS doesn't win gold, silver, or bronze. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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How can I find out what if any of my iTunes songs can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM? ITunes will make you a list. It made one for me the first time I got a plus format file. Files in plus format have a + next to their price in the iTunes Store. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yes that one. I've got several friends who love this way of getting their music. People who enjoy trying out new music all the time especially. There are numerous free podcasts that do that. I acknowledge that some people are predisposed to rent. I once worked for a company that insisted on renting everything. They rented the TI SilentWriter terminal for me, paying 1/12 the purchase price each month. Year by year I showed them that at this point you would own 2 of these,at this point you would own 3 of these,at this point you would own 4 of these... After we paid for it 5 times over the rental company finally let us keep it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The Apple FM tuner leaves much to be desired and it is easier to carry a small fm walkman and an iPod. I wish they had an FM tuner too. New models can stream radio over the Web, but not over the air. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Stephen Brownfield wrote: Tom, How can I find out what if any of my iTunes songs can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM? Steve, To see a list of iTunes store purchases you made that can be changed to the non-DRM iTunes plus format, visit the iTunes store and on the Quick Links Menu in the upper left quadrant, select iTunes Plus. You get a listing of what can be converted and how much it will cost. It is an all or nothing at all choice. John * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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John Settle wrote: store and on the Quick Links Menu in the upper left quadrant, select iTunes Plus. Y Sorry, make that the upper right quadrant. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Apple FM tuner leaves much to be desired and it is easier to carry a small fm walkman and an iPod. I wish they had an FM tuner too. New models can stream radio over the Web, but not over the air. I bought the iPod tuner add on. It is a cord with a tuner dongle in the middle that hangs off the charger input. Too much trouble to carry around. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Podcasts that play new albums available in stores now? Or podcasts playing podsafe music? Not sure what a TI has to do with music since you were not getting new TI's all the time and changing them out for a brand new one every day if you wanted. Lets see...15 a month for unlimited music. In a year I'd spend under 200 dollars and get unlimited access to millions of songs...or i could buy 150 odd songs online over the course of the year with your option. I can see the benefit of both pretty easily, especially for those who change their music a lot. Mike On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes that one. I've got several friends who love this way of getting their music. People who enjoy trying out new music all the time especially. There are numerous free podcasts that do that. I acknowledge that some people are predisposed to rent. I once worked for a company that insisted on renting everything. They rented the TI SilentWriter terminal for me, paying 1/12 the purchase price each month. Year by year I showed them that at this point you would own 2 of these,at this point you would own 3 of these,at this point you would own 4 of these... After we paid for it 5 times over the rental company finally let us keep it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Are you comparing the 2008 Zune to Apple's 2001 classic iPod design or Apple's 2008 iTouch design? I'm not comparing anything to anything, my daughter is. She's comparing the current Zune 80 to current iPod Classic. She likes the Zune better. She doesn't have enough money for an iTouch. MS doesn't win gold, silver, or bronze. Insufficient data. I said I would pass along your list of reasons why the iPod is better, but you didn't give any. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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the educational value of failure --bravo!! ...do the fix with her so she can see how it's done... I have found frustration from many failures mostly being corrupted or faulty software over the years from fortranIV to msdos3 to win3.1 to win95 (happily skipping the 98-2000 misery) to winXP. The long days (and nights) needed to fix some of these errors (some of my own doing out of ignorance) have been, in my memory, some of the most instructive exercises in my scientific career with the endpoint ah-ha moment oh so sweet. I can, as a result, sympathize with those of us who have not evolved from the dos days and summarily depend wholly on automatic fixes without a basic understanding of how the whole thing works! I am not a computer nerd, nor am I able to program or even write html; but, these simple fundamentals have helped me out of plennya fixes. -Original Message- From: Chris Dunford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 8:30 AM Subject: Re: iPod - Zune If her iTunes library is mostly ripped from CDs or stolen MP3s from P2P nets then the files can just be copied over. Some are iTunes DRM and some are ripped from her own CDs. P2P is not permitted in the house (and is blocked via OpenDNS). She is not trying to do anything illegal. But isn't this a case of one mistake begetting another? If your iTunes software is crashing it means your PC is misconfigured. Why not fix that? See below. That is not why she wants to switch. (By the way, software that crashes because a PC is misconfigured, whatever that means in this context, is bad software. In any event, iTunes routinely crashes on all 3 PCs we've tried it on.) Replacing an iPod with a Zune is a cruel joke. Are you one of those parents who believes in the educational value of failure? She wants to switch because she has used both extensively (her brother has a Zune) and prefers the Zune. But perhaps she can be saved. If you can list the reasons why she is mistaken, I will pass them along and set her back on the path to righteousness. Just be sure to base your comparisons on the Zune 80, not on the original 2006 model. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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GAH! Don't lump 98 with 2k! ugh. My wife ran 2k for a couple years straight with nary even a restart let alone an error. On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 9:48 AM, rlsimon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (happily skipping the 98-2000 misery) to winXP. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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...do the fix with her so she can see how it's done... No, she wants the Zune because she likes it better, not because of the iTunes problems. I have found frustration from many failures mostly being corrupted or faulty software over the years from fortranIV to msdos3 to win3.1 to win95 (happily skipping the 98-2000 misery) to winXP. The long days (and nights) needed to fix some of these errors (some of my own doing out of ignorance) have been, in my memory, some of the most instructive exercises in my scientific career with the endpoint ah-ha moment oh so sweet We shouldn't have to. :) All I can say is that I've been a professional software developer for 25+ years, and if I saw one of my programs doing what I've seen iTunes doing, I'd first hide in shame and then find another line of work. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Podcasts that play new albums available in stores now? Or podcasts playing podsafe music? I think the problem may be that we are living in different centuries. I don't buy music from stores. The Graffiti Records down the block closed down years ago. Tower Records gone too. I think Borders still has a small selection of CDs in the far corner of their lower level. I don't hang out at WalMart. So I must admit, I have no idea what is going on in stores. I do have a computer program, called iTunes, that will sell me music files. I don't know if you will accept this is a substitute for going to a store, but they do sell tracks and albums of the artists I hear on podcasts. Good enuf? There is a website called Google. If you go there and type into the search box podcast new music you will get lots of hits. There are also lots of music podcasts you can get at iTunes. And there are websites like SeeqPod.com that offer playlists like the Billboard Hot 100 and music discovery algorithms. You are, of course, perfectly welcome to send a monthly payment to the man if that makes you feel good. Could I interest you in sending a monthly check to support the ComputerGuys-L appreciation fund? We are saving up for an endowment. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I think Borders still has a small selection of CDs in the far corner of their lower level. They do, if you're speaking of the L Street location. It's not what I would call small, but it's not what I would call comprehensive or esoteric either. There is a lot of good, uncompressed music in there on CDs. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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John, Thanks that is just what I wanted to know. Steve John Settle wrote: Stephen Brownfield wrote: Tom, How can I find out what if any of my iTunes songs can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM? Steve, To see a list of iTunes store purchases you made that can be changed to the non-DRM iTunes plus format, visit the iTunes store and on the Quick Links Menu in the upper left quadrant, select iTunes Plus. You get a listing of what can be converted and how much it will cost. It is an all or nothing at all choice. John * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
[CGUYS] iPod - Zune
My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Legally yeah she is pretty much stuck. There are ways but they violate the DMA. Search for what M$ said about converting plays for sure to non- DRM they told you how to do it and the same applies to iTunes. To say anything more will make Tom nervous. This will teach her to buy non-DRM from amazon and other sources. The music industry won't give lots of things as non-DRM to the iTunes store but to others they will. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * might John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? It depends. If all her music is in MP3 format, and when it was imported into iTunes, the originals were kept, then she can import all those MP3 files into the Zune library. I am not an iTunes expert, though. There may be ways to export to MP3 whatever is in there, so only DRM would be an issue. -- John DeCarlo, My Views Are My Own * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Legally yeah she is pretty much stuck. There are ways but they violate the DMA. Search for what M$ said about converting plays for sure to non- DRM they told you how to do it and the same applies to iTunes. To say anything more will make Tom nervous. This will teach her to buy non-DRM from amazon and other sources. The music industry won't give lots of things as non-DRM to the iTunes store but to others they will. I sincerely hope my music is not stuck in an iTunes library, which I will soon be 'forced' to use. I just (reluctantly) purchased a refurbed 30 Gb Video iPod (5G) to replace my aging Gen 1 Dell DJ. It should arrive on Monday. I rip/buy all my music as un-DRM'd MP3s to a folder on my hard drive and manage it from there through Windows Explorer and Media Monkey. I hope that iTunes doesn't screw up the perfectly usable system I have in place, tho' I've been told it won't. I remain skeptical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That dell wasn't bad for it's time, but the software was horrid...almost as bad as soundstage is for sony. I've been using iTunes on xp pro, vista 64 for several years and have never had a single issue. Just don't let iTunes manage your music and all will be well. I keep all my ripped music on an external drive and iTunes never touches it unless I happen to change an mp3 tag once in awhile. Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I rip/buy all my music as un-DRM'd MP3s to a folder on my hard drive and manage it from there through Windows Explorer and Media Monkey. I hope that iTunes doesn't screw up the perfectly usable system I have in place, tho' I've been told it won't. I remain skeptical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You should be fine with your MP3's. Just keep them as MP3s. The only things that gets bad DRM are most purchases from the iTunes store. Buy either the non DRM iTunes or other non DRMed vendors like Amazon.com. Accepting DRM was the only way apple was to get vendors to allow them to sell. Now iTunes is the biggest music vendor in the US and has the music industry worried. They offer non DRM to other vendors so apple has comepetition. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Legally yeah she is pretty much stuck. There are ways but they violate the DMA. Search for what M$ said about converting plays for sure to non- DRM they told you how to do it and the same applies to iTunes. To say anything more will make Tom nervous. This will teach her to buy non-DRM from amazon and other sources. The music industry won't give lots of things as non-DRM to the iTunes store but to others they will. I sincerely hope my music is not stuck in an iTunes library, which I will soon be 'forced' to use. I just (reluctantly) purchased a refurbed 30 Gb Video iPod (5G) to replace my aging Gen 1 Dell DJ. It should arrive on Monday. I rip/buy all my music as un-DRM'd MP3s to a folder on my hard drive and manage it from there through Windows Explorer and Media Monkey. I hope that iTunes doesn't screw up the perfectly usable system I have in place, tho' I've been told it won't. I remain skeptical. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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-Original Message- That dell wasn't bad for it's time, but the software was horrid...almost as bad as soundstage is for sony. It was a solid device; no scratches on it ever. I never used the awful MusicMatch that came with it. Just the Explorer plug-in. I've been using iTunes on xp pro, vista 64 for several years and have never had a single issue. Just don't let iTunes manage your music and all will be well. I keep all my ripped music on an external drive and iTunes never touches it unless I happen to change an mp3 tag once in awhile. Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying here, but how do you get music onto the iPod if you don't use iTunes for that? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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There is a pretty good chance that a file backup/ reformat/ Windows reload followed by a iTunes install will take care of her problem. iTunes doesn't play well on a frazzled Win load. db John Duncan Yoyo wrote: Legally yeah she is pretty much stuck. There are ways but they violate the DMA. Search for what M$ said about converting plays for sure to non- DRM they told you how to do it and the same applies to iTunes. To say anything more will make Tom nervous. This will teach her to buy non-DRM from amazon and other sources. The music industry won't give lots of things as non-DRM to the iTunes store but to others they will. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Chris Dunford [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * might John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Sorry I wasn't clear. When you first run iTunes it will ask if you want iTunes to manage your music or if you want to manage it yourself. Letting itunes manage it, will most likely end up moving your music you wish on your ipod to be imported into the windows music folder. If you just manage the music yourself, the music stays wherever you have it now and then you can tell itunes to scan a local HD for all mp3's or as I do, just drag and drop all the music you want into iTunes. iTunes will still load your music onto the ipod but that's all it will do. I don't use iTunes for anything except loading music and getting podcasts, tagging, ripping playing music on the local machine etc I do with other programs...old habits I guess. Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Jeff Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- That dell wasn't bad for it's time, but the software was horrid...almost as bad as soundstage is for sony. It was a solid device; no scratches on it ever. I never used the awful MusicMatch that came with it. Just the Explorer plug-in. I've been using iTunes on xp pro, vista 64 for several years and have never had a single issue. Just don't let iTunes manage your music and all will be well. I keep all my ripped music on an external drive and iTunes never touches it unless I happen to change an mp3 tag once in awhile. Maybe I'm not understanding what you are saying here, but how do you get music onto the iPod if you don't use iTunes for that? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I rip/buy all my music as un-DRM'd MP3s to a folder on my hard drive and manage it from there through Windows Explorer and Media Monkey. I hope that iTunes doesn't screw up the perfectly usable system I have in place, tho' I've been told it won't. I remain skeptical. I know it is so hard for abused denizens of the Windows gulag to believe it, but iTunes on your PC is going to run just fine. You can set iTunes preferernces to either have iTunes manage your music files or leave them where they are and contunue to use Media Monkey. I like Media Monkey and have been using it on my PC since before iTunes was available for Windows. I haven't bothered to switch those MP3s to iTunes because my CD collection quickly exceeded the 5GB capacity of my iPod (1st G, yes it still works and I use it a lot; it is quite beat up at this point). I bet that once you see how nicely iTunes works you will switch. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? If her iTunes library is mostly ripped from CDs or stolen MP3s from P2P nets then the files can just be copied over. If the tunes are iTunes DRM-protected files, she should check if they can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM. Apple charges 30¢ per tune for the upgrade. This is only available for tunes so authorized by the music cartels. But isn't this a case of one mistake begetting another? If your iTunes software is crashing it means your PC is misconfigured. Why not fix that? Replacing an iPod with a Zune is a cruel joke. Are you one of those parents who believes in the educational value of failure? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Are there any unlimited music services that allow ipods to access them? If I'm not mistaken there are not...could be why the switch to a zune. Or she just wants to look for people to squirt. Mike On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Tom Piwowar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? If her iTunes library is mostly ripped from CDs or stolen MP3s from P2P nets then the files can just be copied over. If the tunes are iTunes DRM-protected files, she should check if they can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM. Apple charges 30¢ per tune for the upgrade. This is only available for tunes so authorized by the music cartels. But isn't this a case of one mistake begetting another? If your iTunes software is crashing it means your PC is misconfigured. Why not fix that? Replacing an iPod with a Zune is a cruel joke. Are you one of those parents who believes in the educational value of failure? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Are there any unlimited music services that allow ipods to access them? If I'm not mistaken there are not...could be why the switch to a zune. Or she just wants to look for people to squirt. Unlimited services like LimeWire or BearShare? Those are the only truly unlimited services, but they are alas illegal. Or services that sell perpetual rights to specific media, like iTunes or Amazon music stores? Perpetual rights is a good form of unlimited. Or services that sell temporally-limited rights to an unspecified media library for as long as you pay their monthly fee. The latter call themselves unlimited but in fact they are the most limited. If you miss a monthly payment you lose it all. Most people have figured this out so rental services have not done well in the marketplace. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Assuming it is germane to this discussion, It happens there is alternate software available to put plain-vanilla mp3s on an iPod. I have used Yamipod for this purpose. I even used it on Linux with some success. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] iPod - Zune
Tom, How can I find out what if any of my iTunes songs can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM? Steve Tom Piwowar wrote: My daughter's iPod croaked and she wants to replace it with a Zune. The only problem is her enormous iTunes library. I don't know anything about iTunes (other than that the Windows version crashes constantly). Can she Zune her tunes, or are they locked in the iTunes library forever? If her iTunes library is mostly ripped from CDs or stolen MP3s from P2P nets then the files can just be copied over. If the tunes are iTunes DRM-protected files, she should check if they can be upgraded to higher-bit-rate and non-DRM. Apple charges 30¢ per tune for the upgrade. This is only available for tunes so authorized by the music cartels. But isn't this a case of one mistake begetting another? If your iTunes software is crashing it means your PC is misconfigured. Why not fix that? Replacing an iPod with a Zune is a cruel joke. Are you one of those parents who believes in the educational value of failure? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
