Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-03 Thread David K Watson
Not quite sure what your point is here, 1 suicide in a population of 300 is a suicide rate of 1/300 and 3 suicides in a population of 900 is still a rate of 1/300, etc. We were talking about suicide _rates_, not raw numbers, and as I said, densely populated areas have lower suicide rates than

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-02 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: They have maintained for some time that they have a unique status within the USA. (You might have heard the sound bite of their current governor a few months ago proposing secession?) Of course this is all

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-02 Thread David K Watson
Rick Perry is an embarrassment to the state educational system. He said when Texas entered the union in 1845, it was with the understanding it could later pull out. In fact, as the historical website points out (and Texas Monthly reminds its readers quite often), the agreement was that Texas

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-02 Thread mike
Most states are still republics to a point. Of course this depends on your view of what a republic is...I know one of the wacks on that TX board when they were reviewing their history books didn't want to include that the US was a republic, she felt it was misleading even if true. On Sun, May 2,

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-02 Thread tjpa
On May 1, 2010, at 7:18 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: You cannot have oil drilling off-shore without without accidents, spills and likely occasional disastrous consequences. Ditto for nuclear. * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-02 Thread tjpa
On May 1, 2010, at 7:18 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I know he was, and personally I disagreed with that political decision. I thought such a wide open proposition was a recipe for looming disaster, and so did many others, including, as you point out, at least some conservatives. He threw

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-02 Thread tjpa
On May 1, 2010, at 10:31 PM, Stewart Marshall wrote: Dont smear the whole state by this action. Perhaps, if this were the only example of same. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy **

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-02 Thread mike
We'll just power everything off hamsters. On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 11:53 AM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On May 1, 2010, at 7:18 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: You cannot have oil drilling off-shore without without accidents, spills and likely occasional disastrous consequences. Ditto for

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-02 Thread Chris Dunford
BHO was all for drilling until the shit hit the fan. No, he was never all for drilling. He gave this to the Republicans in another one of his misguided attempts to be bipartisan or to get them to vote for something he wanted. When will he learn?

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-02 Thread mike
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575214593564769072.html Not a bad article on the matter. On May 2, 2010 5:59 PM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:35 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: We'll just power everything off ha... I will be a

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-02 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 9:04 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703572504575214593564769072.html Not a bad article on the matter. Back in 2009 BP testified before a federal regulatory board about potential environmental damage that this particular

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread Eric S. Sande
Generally, people who live in NoVa don't consider themselves residents of Virginia and feel shamed when reminded. Is that the general or the particular? Don't consider themselves residents of Virginia? Well, Richmond doesn't think so. Don't be ashamed of being a Virginian, Tom, here's a

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread tjpa
On May 1, 2010, at 5:52 AM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Don't be ashamed of being a Virginian, Tom, here's a nice warm bowl of grits and some frizzled ham for you, along with some Jeffersonian democracy. Back in the 18th century it was possible to be proud to be a Virginian. These days all we can

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread tjpa
On May 1, 2010, at 12:39 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Also statistics can be misleading. Statistics can be misused or misinterpreted, but they are never misleading. They just are what they are. * ** List info,

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread tjpa
On Apr 30, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Jeff Miles wrote: I hate being stuck in the middle. I have to agree with you Mike. I'm a stanch liberal, but also a strong advocate of toting guns. For those who think guns kill people and not people kill people, by that logic we should ban cars. We should also

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread tjpa
On May 1, 2010, at 1:19 PM, tjpa wrote: Back in the 18th century it was possible to be proud to be a Virginian. These days all we can be thankful for is that we are not Arizona. Though some of us aspire to that too Another example... http://www.timesnews.net/article.php?id=9022692

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 2:32 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Back in the 18th century it was possible to be proud to be a Virginian. These days all we can be thankful for is that we are not Arizona. Though some of us aspire to that too Another example...

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread Eric S. Sande
And the Governor of Virginia seys... Don't get all bent out of shape, BHO was all for drilling until the shit hit the fan. There are quite a few conservatives that are, actually, pretty conservative WRT this. And were from the start. That's why Sarah Palin wasn't acceptable to us. I speak

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Eric S. Sande esa...@verizon.net wrote: Don't get all bent out of shape, BHO was all for drilling until the shit hit the fan. I know he was, and personally I disagreed with that political decision. I thought such a wide open proposition was a recipe for

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 5:52 AM, Eric S. Sande esa...@verizon.net wrote: Generally, people who live in NoVa don't consider themselves residents of Virginia and feel shamed when reminded. Is that the general or the particular? Don't consider themselves residents of Virginia? Well, Richmond

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 7:52 PM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.com wrote: Don't be ashamed of being a Virginian, Tom, here's a nice warm bowl of grits and some frizzled ham for you,  along with some Jeffersonian democracy. Texas threw him out of the textbooks for being to liberal.

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread Stewart Marshall
Lets correct things a little bit here. A small group/committee decided this for the whole state. Kind of dumb but that is how it works. Similar problem in my church body a small group decides what our publishing house should put out. Dont smear the whole state by this action. But also

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread mike
They are a republic..just like the US. On May 1, 2010 7:44 PM, Stewart Marshall revsamarsh...@earthlink.net wrote: Lets correct things a little bit here. A small group/committee decided this for the whole state. Kind of dumb but that is how it works. Similar problem in my church body a small

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-05-01 Thread Stewart Marshall
They have maintained for some time that they have a unique status within the USA. (You might have heard the sound bite of their current governor a few months ago proposing secession?) Of course this is all hogwash, but you know Texans bigger than snot and about as useful. Stewart At 09:55

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread t.piwowar
On Apr 29, 2010, at 9:51 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Seen 'em, thanks. But you do realize that contrary to your statement what you suggest IS legal where you live. Generally, people who live in NoVa don't consider themselves residents of Virginia and feel shamed when reminded. I don't even own

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
What does a criminal stealing an iPhone and another criminal buying the iPhone have anything to do with bleeding heart liberals? BTW, it has been decided yet if any criminal activity took place, but I guess we can exempt you from the jury. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
I'm a strong Apple supporter. However, what they did by releasing these prototypes was just plain stupid. As to your comment below, this is crap. Bringing up the bible, Moses, the 10 commandments, Hitler, Nazis, is a cheap trick that if used means you've probably already lost

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
Apples and oranges. Please excuse the pun. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Apr 28, 2010, at 7:17 PM, David K Watson wrote: You can personally feel that Apple was foolish in how they let the phone

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
You are assuming a lot. So far no one has been tried and convicted. Therefore, legally, no illegalities have occurred. When it's been deemed, tried and a jury says so, then you can rightfully claim illegalities occurred. I'll say the same to you that I said to Tipa, I guess you're

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
No, it's not. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:36 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:34 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: That is not a fair or accurate comparison. It

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: No, it's not. This is one of those occasions where Top posting doesn't make sense It just makes it look like you are reenacting Monty Python's Argument Clinic Sketch. -- John Duncan Yoyo

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:44 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: I'm a strong Apple supporter. However, what they did by releasing these prototypes was just plain stupid. As to your comment below, this is crap. Bringing up the bible, Moses, the 10 commandments, Hitler,

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread mike
I'm not a lawyer or a jurist or even an avid fan of Matlock. Just a little armchair judgement. I do know what has ensued was unethical, and I don't think it was limited to Gizmodo. On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: You are assuming a lot. So far no

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
It is a very conservative town. I live in the part of the state where many want to break the state in two. We'd have the liberal West Washington state and the conservative East Washington state. I think that would be horrible, giving us an odd number of states, unless we can all go

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
I hate being stuck in the middle. I have to agree with you Mike. I'm a stanch liberal, but also a strong advocate of toting guns. For those who think guns kill people and not people kill people, by that logic we should ban cars. We should also ban all smoking, all alcohol and anything

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread mike
Don't forget bathtubs! On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: I hate being stuck in the middle. I have to agree with you Mike. I'm a stanch liberal, but also a strong advocate of toting guns. For those who think guns kill people and not people kill

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
It's not a fair comparison because a car left running (while stupid, and illegal in my town) has a high expectation of being reclaimed or returned to by the owner. A phone left and not claimed within a reasonable amount of time is considered abandoned. And I'd consider a reasonable

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
Product testing? I'm thinking of the stealth fighter jet of the 80s'. I'm sure it was product tested and didn't need to be parked in the parking lot of a bar. Come on, common sense. The guy who lost the phone also lost his common sense. And so did Apple, in this instance. Jeff Miles

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread mike
The fact that you didn't SEE the stealth fighter jet at the bar just means it was pretty stealthy. On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: Product testing? I'm thinking of the stealth fighter jet of the 80s'. I'm sure it was product tested and didn't

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
This is purely anecdotal, but aren't holidays the highest rate for suicide, regardless of population size. Of course trying to reinstall Windows probably should be lumped in there some place. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
Wow, you have some amazing insider information on what Apple is thinking and planning. So when are they going to leave a holographic G6 laying around? Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Apr 29, 2010,

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread mike
Those people aren't suicidal, they do have a higher tendancy to toss their computers through windows. On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: This is purely anecdotal, but aren't holidays the highest rate for suicide, regardless of population size. Of

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
Am not. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Apr 30, 2010, at 2:15 AM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote: No, it's not. This is

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Chris Dunford
I'm a stanch liberal, but also a strong advocate of toting guns. For those who think guns kill people and not people kill people, by that logic we should ban cars. We should also ban all smoking, all alcohol and anything proven to be a carcinogen. This is not going to go anywhere, but just for

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread mike
I agree. It's not going to go anywhere. On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:26 AM, Chris Dunford seed...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a stanch liberal, but also a strong advocate of toting guns. For those who think guns kill people and not people kill people, by that logic we should ban cars. We should

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
Like I said, you're excused. Nothing personal. But pre-knowladge and judgment pretty much dismisses you from the jury pool. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Apr 30, 2010, at 8:58 AM, mike wrote: I'm

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Jeff Miles
And Windows. Shards of broken glass when the monitor is slammed against the wall can be a real b%#ch. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Apr 30, 2010, at 10:06 AM, mike wrote: Don't forget bathtubs!

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-30 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Actually I was half right. Note the fine print of the map: Based on death data from 2000 through 2006, this US map of the smoothed, county-level, age-adjusted suicide rates indicate that suicide rates are highest in the western and northwestern regions of the United States. There is also a

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
Yeah...the headline should clue you in. Fact vs speculation...speculation usually, at least to the rest of us means 'this part may be BS but we'll say it anyway'. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 10:35 PM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: It

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread Jeff Miles
And how is this different then today? When I call in a crime I just get a case number for the insurance company. Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net Join my Mafia http://apps.facebook.com/inthemafia/status_invite.php?from=550968726 On Apr 27, 2010, at 7:37 PM, t.piwowar wrote: On Apr

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:56 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: If I was a judge in this case my first query would be if this item is worth so much, money, market share..etc...why did you send some kid into a bar to leave it while he went out and took a leak in the alley? This super secret

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:35 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Apple sent folks over to the guy's house to demand he give them back the phone.  He didn't. Let's do get the facts straight. The PCWorld article you referenced was drawing upon another story that appeared in Wired Magazine.

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread David K Watson
I don't think you have the facts quite straight here. Here is Gizmodo's own account of how they got the phone: http://gizmodo.com/5520438/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone According to this account, the phone was picked up at the bar by the person who was sitting next to Powell (the one who

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
This is the problem...let's get the facts straight and then referenced is a part of the article that is not confirmed... On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 5:56 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:35 AM, t.piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Apple sent folks over to

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 8:56 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Additionally, it was at first denied by the San Mateo Police that Apple ever had any hand in the raid and search of the premises in question. We now know that to have been untrue, and a silly thing for the authorities to have said in the

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 5:06 AM, Jeff Miles wrote: And how is this different then today? When I call in a crime I just get a case number for the insurance company. You must have a bunch of tea baggers running your city council.

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 11:23 AM, David K Watson wrote: Whether the police were within the law in executing their warrant is a matter of dispute, but even if being a blogger makes Jason Chen a journalist, there is already some legal precedent that shield laws can't be used to enable journalists to

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
That's why the murder rate in DC is one of the highest in the country. Places where people walk around with guns is safer than those places who don't. I see you've devolved into 'no facts for you' mode and will now not answer for any of your previous misstatements. Just keep tossing it on the

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread David K Watson
That is not a fair or accurate comparison. How is it not a fair comparison? A running car in a convenience store parking lot has the presumption that the owner will return to it very quickly, while a phone that has been left unclaimed for a few hours does not, but that has no bearing on

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
http://mashable.com/2010/04/29/jon-stewart-apple/ The definitive take on the issue. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:57 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: That is not a fair or accurate comparison. How is it not a fair comparison? A running car in a convenience store parking

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:46 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: In my town the names of crime victims and witnesses are not given out by the police. What? No one suspected that Apple Corp. was the claimant here? All that the police said initially was that Apple Corp. did not have a hand in

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:49 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Apr 29, 2010, at 11:23 AM, David K Watson wrote: Whether the police were within the law in executing their warrant is a matter of dispute, but even if being a blogger makes Jason Chen a journalist, there is already some legal

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread David K Watson
Additionally, there is a difference between the police denying that Apple had any part in the raid and their simply being silent on the matter until they made an official statement, which appears to be what actually happened. As to Apple's involvement, it looks like Apple didn't file the

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread David K Watson
OK, so supposedly Apple sent folks over to the guy's house to demand he give them back the phone, but he wasn't there, so he didn't. Then presumably having heard about this from his roommate who was there, he nonetheless sells the iPhone to Gizmodo. It still looks wrong to me. PC World

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
I doubt Steve would agree with you. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:57 AM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.comwrote: but Powell is arguably the more aggrieved party. * ** List info, subscription management, list

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
Bottom line is, we know Giz and the guy who sold the phone knew Powell had lost it and could have contacted him. They chose not to. Like I said before, Calacanis's take on this is everyone involved is either an idiot or a dick, there are no innocents here...I like that version myself. On Thu,

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:57 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.com wrote: As to Apple's involvement, it looks like Apple didn't file the theft report.  Powell did, with the support of his employer's legal staff. True, Apple clearly wanted the matter to be pursued, but Powell is

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:06 PM, David K Watson davidkirkwat...@gmail.com wrote: OK, so supposedly Apple sent folks over to the guy's house to demand he give them back the phone, but he wasn't there, so he didn't. Then presumably having heard about this from his roommate who was there, he

[CGUYS] Free advertising [was: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?]

2010-04-29 Thread b_s-wilk
I doubt Steve would agree with you. but Powell is arguably the more aggrieved party. The entire iPhone prototype adventure--Lost--can't be too serious to Apple. Otherwise they would have fired the guy who lost it. Just like the TV show, there's lots of confusing twists, and both

Re: [CGUYS] Free advertising [was: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?]

2010-04-29 Thread mike
The thing is, Apple has never liked this kind of noise. They like noise they control. And at this point, if this guy gets fired it would make the evening news. J months are usually the months you look for this stuff. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:43 AM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I

Re: [CGUYS] Free advertising [was: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?]

2010-04-29 Thread Snyder, Mark - IdM (IS)
And I am already tuning out of this. Thank you, Mark Snyder -Original Message- The entire iPhone prototype adventure--Lost--can't be too serious to Apple. Otherwise they would have fired the guy who lost it. Just like the TV show, there's lots of confusing twists, and both versions

Re: [CGUYS] Free advertising [was: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?]

2010-04-29 Thread b_s-wilk
The thing is, Apple has never liked this kind of noise. They like noise they control. And at this point, if this guy gets fired it would make the evening news. Any noise is free publicity. Controlled noise is better. Have you ever done marketing or advertising? There are many ways to keep

Re: [CGUYS] Free advertising [was: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?]

2010-04-29 Thread mike
Frequently? Name the last Apple product that was accidentally released. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:20 PM, b_s-wilk b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: The thing is, Apple has never liked this kind of noise. They like noise they control. And at this point, if this guy gets fired it would make the

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 2:33 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: None of this whole affair is devoid of wrongness, in my humble opinion. I think it was wrongheaded for an Apple Corp. insider to take a highly secretive prototype iPhone into an establishment well known for being a watering hole that

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread mike
Yes that's exactly what Steve said, zero product testing, none, zip...the phone should stay in the clean room up until delivered. To the rest of us Steve said you probably don't need to test your product in the lions den and maybe taking it to a grocery store, out on the street...maybe a five and

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 12:56 PM, mike wrote: That's why the murder rate in DC is one of the highest in the country. Places where people walk around with guns is safer than those places who don't. Towns with pop 10 usually do have lower murder rates, prolly have higher suicide rates though.

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Do your research before you flap your gums. WRONG! Stewart At 05:11 PM 4/29/2010, you wrote: On Apr 29, 2010, at 12:56 PM, mike wrote: That's why the murder rate in DC is one of the highest in the country. Places where people walk around with guns is safer than those places who don't.

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
I believe that statistics show that the suicide rate increases the higher density the population. Also during highly stressed conditions. Stewart At 05:22 PM 4/29/2010, you wrote: Do your research before you flap your gums. WRONG! Stewart At 05:11 PM 4/29/2010, you wrote: On Apr 29,

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: I believe that statistics show that the suicide rate increases the higher density the population. That's reported suicides. When nobody notices it doesn't get reported. The sun just bleaches your bones.

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread tjpa
On Apr 29, 2010, at 6:43 PM, Eric S. Sande wrote: Why did I think you lived in VA? I do. Wanna see my collection of assault weapons and cruise missiles? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives,

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread Rev. Stewart Marshall
Tom having lived in the said communities most of my ministry I know the statistics. Just not true. Oh and they have a lot more firearms than you can count. Most of it long barrel not short barrel. Stewart At 08:01 PM 4/29/2010, you wrote: On Apr 29, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Rev. Stewart

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread Eric S. Sande
I do. Wanna see my collection of assault weapons and cruise missiles? Seen 'em, thanks. But you do realize that contrary to your statement what you suggest IS legal where you live. http://vaguninfo.com/pages/opencarry.htm The fact that most people don't do it has nothing to do with whether

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-29 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 5:37 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: You keep insisting that Apple should not do product testing. Where did you get such an idea? Microsoft? Let's not be silly or intentionally inaccurate when describing what another poster wrote. I never said that Apple Corp. should

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:23 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Haven't heard anything about attempts to return the phone before Giz bought it..? http://gizmodo.com/5520729/why-apple-couldnt-get-the-lost-iphone-back?skyline=trues=i

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread Jeff Miles
This whole thing is just stupid. I hope Apple isn't behind any of the prosecution of this person, their employee, for loosing the phone. I also hope they're not behind the prosecution of the person who sold it, or the person who blogged what it's advancements where over their most

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread mike
This Giz article just makes me want to find someone who works at Gizmodo and slap em around. This blog post front to back is an insult to their readers. They make not one statement as fact, it's all maybe and perhaps. They also gloss over the fact they knew who the phone belonged to...I don't

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 11:11 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: This Giz article just makes me want to find someone who works at Gizmodo and slap em around.  This blog post front to back is an insult to their readers.  They make not one statement as fact, it's all maybe and perhaps. They also

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread mike
Most I've heard have dismissed this believing exposing the new iphone this early would kill current sales. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:51 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: I also think that Apple was also silly to let something super-secretive be taken out in public. Unless,

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread tjpa
On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:51 AM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: I also think that Apple was also silly to let something super-secretive be taken out in public. Unless, of course, what essentially transpired is what they wanted to have happen. Releasing new products without field testing is not a

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:10 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Most I've heard have dismissed this believing exposing the new iphone this early would kill current sales. Are you saying that folks do not already suppose that Apple is going to release a new version of their ubiquitous phone in

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:54 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: Releasing new products without field testing is not a good idea. You are taking quite an extreme stance if your efforts to oppose Apple. Perhaps you should run for the Senate? Field testing an as yet publicly unseen and unreleased

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread mike
I'm saying most industry folks are saying that putting a new iphone into the faces of those who may be buying one, may make them wait till this new one comes out. Especially one that may look very different than the current one. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:28 PM, phartz...@gmail.com

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread mike
If I was a judge in this case my first query would be if this item is worth so much, money, market share..etc...why did you send some kid into a bar to leave it while he went out and took a leak in the alley? This super secret phone from Apple wasn't taken from Apple headquarters by a team of IMF

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:53 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: I'm saying most industry folks are saying that putting a new iphone into the faces of those who may be buying one, may make them wait till this new one comes out.  Especially one that may look very different than the current one.

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Jeff Miles jmile...@charter.net wrote:        This whole thing is just stupid. I hope Apple isn't behind any of the prosecution of this person, their employee, for loosing the phone. I also hope they're not behind the prosecution of the person who sold it, or

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:56 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: If I was a judge in this case my first query would be if this item is worth so much, money, market share..etc...why did you send some kid into a bar to leave it while he went out and took a leak in the alley?  This super secret

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread tjpa
On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:25 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: However, it is my position that they brought this upon themselves either through intent or through foolishness. In either case, they should shoulder the blame themselves in this instance instead of lashing out at others by causing the

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread mike
Sounds like you read half of Jason Calacanis's breakdown where he said everyone involved including Apple were d#$ks. On Apr 28, 2010 4:43 PM, tjpa t...@tjpa.com wrote: On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:25 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: However, it is my position that they bro... You bleeding-heart

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread tjpa
On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:49 PM, mike wrote: Sounds like you read half of Jason Calacanis's breakdown where he said everyone involved including Apple were d#$ks. I bet that if we were to come over to your house and help ourselves to your belongings you would be singing a tune similar to Apple.

Re: [CGUYS] illegal search warrant?

2010-04-28 Thread Stewart Marshall
Lousy analogy Tom. You act as if you have not read any of what has been written about this item. The fact is the item was left by absent minded techie at bar. Item was turned into bar tender who has no idea whose it is.(I wonder how many folks had been there that night and had phones?)

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