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There are 20 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Off for a week
From: Ray Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Re: [OT] Hebrew calendar direction
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. Re: Matein Einlich (Modern English)
From: Kevin Athey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4. another North Wind translation
From: Mike Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5. Fonts
From: Kevin Athey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6. Re: odd phrase/translation exercise
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7. Re: Fonts
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
8. [OT] conplaneteering
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
9. You guys are...
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
10. Re: You guys are...
From: Matt Arriola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
11. Re: You guys are...
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
12. Re: [OT] conplaneteering
From: JC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
13. Ms. problem
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
14. Re: Ms. problem
From: Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
15. Re: [OT] conplaneteering
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
16. Re: Ms. problem
From: "Ph. D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
17. Re: Ms. problem
From: René Uittenbogaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
18. Re: Fonts
From: Arthaey Angosii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
19. Re: Ms. problem
From: Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
20. PDF Creator addendum
From: Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:02:25 +0000
From: Ray Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Off for a week
We are off to South Wales to see our grandsons (and their parents) for a
few days, so I am going Nomail - otherwise
there'll be several hundred mails waiting when I get back.
Maybe the "future English" threads will be over be then ;)
I have been doing some work on Bax [pi'a:Ci] (formerly known as BrSc,
'briefscript' etc.). Hopefully the agonizing over the phonology is over :
)
I'll give more info when I return.
Pob hwyl!
Ray
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:15:51 -0500
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hebrew calendar direction
Anyone interested in the results of my work can see PDF calendar pages
for the current month here:
http://thereeds.org/~mark/calendars/1426/01.pdf
http://thereeds.org/~mark/calendars/5765/12.pdf
I also have a full-year Chinese calendar, with the Gregorian dates
indicated as well (but relegated to the secondary status reserved
for non-Gregorian dates in most published calendars):
http://thereeds.org/~mark/calendars/4703.pdf
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:31:08 -0600
From: Kevin Athey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Matein Einlich (Modern English)
>From: Tristan McLeay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Prepositions are associated with noun-adj? I would've thought the other
>order would make more sense: a preposition is a sort of a
>noun-modifier, isn't it? But if so then English's noun-adj order could
>precipitate Pascal's Einlich wordorder changes.
Prepositions are traditionally considered constituent heads, so they group
with other head-initial constructions, like verb-obj and noun-relative
clause. Normally, this would mean noun-adj as well, but statisticly the
real-world correspondance to global allignment is weaker: adjectives like
to do strange things.
Trying to reason out what precipitated those strange things was the topic of
my undergraduate honors thesis, actually. I can ramble on about it, if you
like. My hypotheses may be pertenant to conlanging. <shrug>
Athey
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:15:20 -0500
From: Mike Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: another North Wind translation
Here's the Rhean translation of the North Wind and the Sun:
C'enufa G'azi ki Rhe
C'enufa g'azi ki Rhe du kure trenoyan as'e lenk sacer anas'ez ba, burhi
sk'el fikrer raiznik g'ec'adve kurais'. Du trenoyan as'e ai nure sk'el
dangnijaku raiznik sacek mezie rios'nurz soglas'aiz.
Z'a c'enufa g'azi nubie rios' zgirhaie fukuais', ak' nubie g'asie fukuais'
ebie tugayanie ai raiznik sk'el c'avunom avelais' ki ültümie c'enufa g'azi
cudririos'.
Z'a Rhe kaisie dijais', ki raiznik o sk'el cugie dangnijios'. Rhu c'enufa
g'azi du bai tizem Rhe trenoyan as'e burhat sacek fadios'.
..
south-GEN* wind and Sun
south-GEN wind and sun THAT who strong-COMP be:3SG:PAST argue V-PRP
exist:PAST:3PL :WHEN , heavy cloak wear-PRP traveller pass-AVP come-3SG:PAST
. THAT stronger be:3SG:PAST SUBJ: who cloak(-ACC) take_off-INF-DAT
traveller(-ACC) make-INF first can-3SG:PAST-REL-N agree-3PL:PAST .
then south-GEN wind as_much_as can-3SG:PAST fierce-ADV blow-3SG:PAST , but
as_much_as more-ADV blow-3SG:PAST that_much tight-COMP-ADV SUBJ: traveller
cloak(-ACC) self-INST wrap-3SG:PAST and finally south-GEN wind
give_up-3SG:PAST .
then Sun warm-ADV shine-3SG:PAST , and traveller OBJ: cloak(-ACC)
immediately take_off-3SG:PAST . so south-GEN wind THAT among them:INST Sun
stronger be:3SG:PAST confess V-INF must-3SG:PAST .
* In Rhea, the "north wind" comes off the desert and wouldn't make sense as
a cold wind in this story.
M
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 14:42:28 -0600
From: Kevin Athey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fonts
Can anyone suggest free PC font-design software? My needs are not to
extensive, but any recommendations would be well-recieved.
Athey
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:58:45 +0100
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: odd phrase/translation exercise
Hi!
*Sigh*
I'm not a native speaker; I forgot a morpheme:
> Mark J. Reed wrote:
> > "I didn't know that you were a philosopher".
>
>In Qthyn|gai:
Ksyndàtrùiru||kàusty ngyrqùqlùn||gyhhaingùindy`n|auxky.
> Word 2:
ng y rq ù (n/a) ...
evidence case class val ...
perception PAT give-life P* ...
qlù(³/a) ||ky hh(w/y)a(k/i) ngùi ndy` n|au xky
stem affix affix affix affix affix stem
life aorist connote think to-last person 2
\__(to_be)_a_philosopher_________________________/
(w/y) and (k/i) is also both hybrid phonemes. (w/y) is
dropped, (k/i) changes /a/ to /ai/ here.
'Philosopher' is thus literally: 'a person who (duratively) thinks
about the connotation/meaning of the timeless [concept of] life.' There
is also a stem 'to exist' in Qthyn|gai, but maybe I'll replace it by
life+aorist. We'll see.
**Henrik
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:59:32 -0500
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fonts
Kevin Athey wrote:
> Can anyone suggest free PC font-design software? My needs are not to
> extensive, but any recommendations would be well-recieved.
I've used the program from
http://www.high-logic.com/fcp.html in the past and liked it. However, the
30 day trial _does_ expire, and the price is now up to US$65.00 :-(((((((
Also, it only works on Windows.
Hopefully others will know of really free programs or workarounds.........
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:02:29 -0500
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [OT] conplaneteering
I'm trying to calculate the orbital period of an Earth-sized planet at
15 AUs out from a star that's about 7.5 times the mass of the Sun. I'm
guestimating around 50 years, but Kepler's laws don't seem to be much
help when looking for absolutes; you need a known quantity within the
same solar system to compare against. Can anyone point me at the
correct formulae?
Thanks.
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:06:57 +0100
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: You guys are...
Hi!
I have just received quite a funny anonymous comment about my CXS/IPA
page. Since its addressing is in plural, I guess I am supposed to
share it with fellow conlangers. It reads:
> o: ju gAjz Ar\ &[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now, isn't that nice? :-)
**Henrik
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:09:18 -0500
From: Matt Arriola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You guys are...
Oh that was me, I thought it was the CXS-IPA converter. Doh. It's from
Family Guy
On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:06:57 +0100, Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have just received quite a funny anonymous comment about my CXS/IPA
> page. Since its addressing is in plural, I guess I am supposed to
> share it with fellow conlangers. It reads:
>
> > o: ju gAjz Ar\ &[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Now, isn't that nice? :-)
>
> **Henrik
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:11:26 +0100
From: Henrik Theiling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You guys are...
Matt Arriola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Oh that was me, I thought it was the CXS-IPA converter. Doh. It's from
> Family Guy
HAHAHA! :-))))
Hi Matt!
**Henrik
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:48:59 -0800
From: JC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] conplaneteering
--- "Mark J. Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to calculate the orbital period of an Earth-sized planet
> at
> 15 AUs out from a star that's about 7.5 times the mass of the Sun.
> I'm
> guestimating around 50 years, but Kepler's laws don't seem to be much
> help when looking for absolutes; you need a known quantity within the
> same solar system to compare against. Can anyone point me at the
> correct formulae?
>
> Thanks.
>
About 21 earth years, if I did that right.
Psuedocode:
sqrt((m1^2 * G) / (r * (m1 + m2)))
m1 = sun mass (kg)
m2 = planet mass (kg) *
r = radius of orbit (m)
G = gravitational constant
It gives you the orbital period in seconds.
* Not that planet mass makes much difference here.
JC
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 16:54:33 -0500
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Ms. problem
I have a lengthy paper (representing almost 10+ years of on-off work) on an
Austronesian language that may or may not be publishable. There are some
problems of a computer nature:
1. The original was composed in WordPerfect8; some portions transfer to Word
2000 with only minor problems; but the main portion, an 80+ page
wordlist/dictionary in 2-column format with lots of "special characters",
comes out quite screwy. I will try first, eliminating the column format--
that worked for the file version of the Kash dict. (I could re-install WP,
but IIRC WP files are often unreadable on many computers.)
The idea of retyping the major part isn't appealing, but probably necessary,
since recently discovered refs. require a fair amount of revision.
Incidentally the whole thing totals 1192kb (130+pp. single-spaced); adding
revisions and a bibliog. will increase that.
2. If I were to put this on-line, I suspect a .pdf format would be best; my
computer can't create one, so I assume I'll have to buy something from adobe
:-((( Also, I seem to recall from past discussion that publishing things on
the web precludes later print-publication. Is that correct, and does it
apply to pdf's? If true, then I'd better try peddling it first, but in any
case it will have to be in some readable format.
3. There is also the question of which font to use. The only special
character not available in Times New Roman is glottal stop; I can insert one
from Thryomanes or (ugh) Lucida Sans Unicode, but would that show up
properly in a pdf if the user didn't have that font? There are also
occasional schwas, but there I've used the traditional Indonesianist
e-breve, which TNR has.
3. Any of you (esp. Dirk Elzinga and Tom Wier) who've prepared things for
publication-- any suggestions, tips, advice??? My last experience was in
1990...ah, publish or perish.
Many thanks in advance. Roger
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:26:51 -0500
From: Paul Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ms. problem
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 1. The original was composed in WordPerfect8; some portions
> transfer to Word
> 2000 with only minor problems; but the main portion, an 80+ page
> wordlist/dictionary in 2-column format with lots of "special
> characters",comes out quite screwy.
As would be expected. WP had its own mechanism for foreign characters. I would
have hoped Word would be moderately capable of reading them correctly, though.
> I will try first, eliminating
> the column format--
> that worked for the file version of the Kash dict. (I could re-
> install WP,
> but IIRC WP files are often unreadable on many computers.)
>
> The idea of retyping the major part isn't appealing, but probably
> necessary,
You could try http://www.simtel.net/ for a word-processor format converter or
something.
> 2. If I were to put this on-line, I suspect a .pdf format would be
> best; my
> computer can't create one, so I assume I'll have to buy something
> from adobe
> :-(((
There is a PDF printer driver for Windows that is free. Basically, it looks to
your Windows applications as if it's a printer, but it actually outputs a PDF
file to your hard disk instead. Damned if I can remember the name of it, but it
does exist.
> Also, I seem to recall from past discussion that publishing
> things on
> the web precludes later print-publication. Is that correct,
Somewhat. Publishing photos on the web requires a much lower resolution than
printing photos out, and that can screw people up.
> and does it apply to pdf's?
It can, but it needn't. If you "print" the PDF at (say) 600dpi, it will be
suitable for both soft and hard copy.
> 3. There is also the question of which font to use. The only special
> character not available in Times New Roman is glottal stop; I can
> insert one
> from Thryomanes or (ugh) Lucida Sans Unicode, but would that show up
> properly in a pdf if the user didn't have that font?
Certainly with Adobe Acrobat, you can set it up to include special characters
as graphics (i.e. you can say "include text in fonts X, Y, and Z just by
specifying the font name, but include text in fonts I, J and K by outputting
the graphics for them"). I suspect that the PDF printer mentioned above could
do it, too. As a last resort, you can check the "print text as graphics" option
on the Printer Setup dialog. You'll make a bigger PDF, but PDF includes some
fairly good compression to cope with that.
Paul
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:47:31 -0500
From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [OT] conplaneteering
Mark J. Reed wrote:
> I'm trying to calculate the orbital period of an Earth-sized planet at
> 15 AUs out from a star that's about 7.5 times the mass of the Sun. I'm
> guestimating around 50 years, but Kepler's laws don't seem to be much
> help when looking for absolutes; you need a known quantity within the
> same solar system to compare against. Can anyone point me at the
> correct formulae?
>
Using the formula at
http://curriculum.calstatela.edu/courses/builders/lessons/less/les1/kepler3_2.html
(all one line)--
year^2 = AU^3 or x^2 = 15^3=3375
sq.root of 3375 is approx. 58.1 (x Earth year [=l])
Accuracy not guaranteed!!
you might want to look at the rest of that calstatela site too, if you
haven't already. Note that she seems to be using simplified versions of some
formulae, and I'm not sure how much difference that makes. AFAIK, it all
worked for Cindu....:-)))
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:38:19 -0500
From: "Ph. D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ms. problem
Paul Bennett said:
>
> From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> 2. If I were to put this on-line, I suspect a .pdf format
>> would be best; my computer can't create one, so I assume
>> I'll have to buy something from adobe :-(((
>
> There is a PDF printer driver for Windows that is free.
> Basically, it looks to your Windows applications as if
> it's a printer, but it actually outputs a PDF file to your
> hard disk instead. Damned if I can remember the name of it,
> but it does exist.
A friend of mine uses one called "Ghost Writer".
>> Also, I seem to recall from past discussion that
>> publishing things on the web precludes later print-
>> publication. Is that correct,
>
> Somewhat. Publishing photos on the web requires a much
> lower resolution than printing photos out, and that
> can screw people up.
>
>> and does it apply to pdf's?
>
> It can, but it needn't. If you "print" the PDF at (say)
> 600dpi, it will be suitable for both soft and hard copy.
I got the impression Roger was asking more about publishing
rights. I can't see any reason that it couldn't be paper-
published if you've already published it on the web. You
still retain a copyright to it. I suppose a commercial
publisher might not be interested if it's already been
available on the web.
>> 3. There is also the question of which font to use.
>> The only special character not available in Times
>> New Roman is glottal stop; I can insert one from
>> Thryomanes or (ugh) Lucida Sans Unicode, but would
>> that show up properly in a pdf if the user didn't
>> have that font?
>
> Certainly with Adobe Acrobat, you can set it up to
> include special characters as graphics (i.e. you can
> say "include text in fonts X, Y, and Z just by
> specifying the font name, but include text in fonts
> I, J and K by outputting the graphics for them"). I
> suspect that the PDF printer mentioned above could
> do it, too. As a last resort, you can check the
> "print text as graphics" option on the Printer Setup
> dialog. You'll make a bigger PDF, but PDF includes
> some fairly good compression to cope with that.
I thought the whole idea with making PDFs was that
they encoded the source fonts, so the end reader didn't
need to have those fonts installed. If you have those
characters in the fonts you use to create the PDF, I
would expect them to show up correctly in the end
document.
--Ph. D.
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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 00:14:00 +0100
From: René Uittenbogaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ms. problem
Paul Bennett wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
>>2. If I were to put this on-line, I suspect a .pdf format would be
>>best; my
>>computer can't create one, so I assume I'll have to buy something
>>from adobe
>>:-(((
>
>
> There is a PDF printer driver for Windows that is free. Basically, it
> looks to your Windows applications as if it's a printer, but it actually
> outputs a PDF file to your hard disk instead. Damned if I can remember the
> name of it, but it does exist.
At work we use cutepdf writer, which is free:
http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp
Note that is needs ghostscript (there's a link on the page)
René
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:30:36 -0800
From: Arthaey Angosii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fonts
Emaelivpeith Kevin Athey:
> Can anyone suggest free PC font-design software? My needs are not to
> extensive, but any recommendations would be well-recieved.
The ones I know of:
* MetaFont -- http://metafont.latex.free.fr/
* FontForge -- http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/
* Softy -- http://users.breathe.com/l-emmett/
(I'll add any other suggestions to
http://arthaey.mine.nu:8080/~arthaey/conlang/faq.html#Computers1 when
this thread finishes.)
--
AA
http://arthaey.mine.nu:8080/
(watch the Reply-To!)
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:38:29 -0800
From: Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ms. problem
--- René Uittenbogaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Bennett wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Roger Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> >
> >>2. If I were to put this on-line, I suspect a .pdf
> format would be
> >>best; my
> >>computer can't create one, so I assume I'll have
> to buy something
> >>from adobe
> >>:-(((
> >
> >
> > There is a PDF printer driver for Windows that is
> free. Basically, it
> > looks to your Windows applications as if it's a
> printer, but it actually
> > outputs a PDF file to your hard disk instead.
> Damned if I can remember the
> > name of it, but it does exist.
>
>
> At work we use cutepdf writer, which is free:
> http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp
>
> Note that is needs ghostscript (there's a link on
> the page)
>
> René
>
It appears to me that the OP was asking how to CREATE
a pdf, not how to print one or turn it into a text
file. To CREATE a PDF go here: http://www.pdf995.com/
--gary
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:43:02 -0800
From: Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PDF Creator addendum
--- Gary Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It appears to me that the OP was asking how to
> CREATE
> a pdf, not how to print one or turn it into a text
> file. To CREATE a PDF go here:
> http://www.pdf995.com/
>
> --gary
>
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