Re: [Container-tools] [atomic-devel] Atomic bi-weekly general community meeting: NEW TIMES

[Josh Berkus]

All,

At the request of one of our Indian contributors, I've added two earlier
timeslots (on Wed and Fri).

Please take another look at the survey and fill in your availability for
those?

https://doodle.com/poll/c94n9miwxb7xdq66


On 06/06/2017 12:41 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Contributors:
> 
> As requested, I am trying to schedule a general Atomic community meeting
> in order to coordinate activitities around the larger Atomic upstream
> ecosystem, specifically:
> 
> - Fedora Atomic Host and CentOS Atomic Host
> - FLIBS and Container Pipeline
> - Atomic CLI tools, including Kompose, Buildah, CRI-O, Atomic
> - Cockpit and Commissaire, when applicable
> 
> We have two topics for the first such meeting:
> 
> * What are our plans for upstream kubernetes releases on upstream Atomic
> platforms?
> 
> * Deprecating ask.projectatomic.io
> 
> I've created a Doodle so that folks can indicate their availability.
> Please set the Doodle for your time zone.  While the Doodle is set up
> for choosing our first meeting, please pick timeslots to indicate your
> general availability for a meeting to occur twice a month on that same
> day of week and time.
> 
> https://doodle.com/poll/c94n9miwxb7xdq66
> 


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[Container-tools] Atomic bi-weekly general community meeting: help pick a time

[Josh Berkus]

Contributors:

As requested, I am trying to schedule a general Atomic community meeting
in order to coordinate activitities around the larger Atomic upstream
ecosystem, specifically:

- Fedora Atomic Host and CentOS Atomic Host
- FLIBS and Container Pipeline
- Atomic CLI tools, including Kompose, Buildah, CRI-O, Atomic
- Cockpit and Commissaire, when applicable

We have two topics for the first such meeting:

* What are our plans for upstream kubernetes releases on upstream Atomic
platforms?

* Deprecating ask.projectatomic.io

I've created a Doodle so that folks can indicate their availability.
Please set the Doodle for your time zone.  While the Doodle is set up
for choosing our first meeting, please pick timeslots to indicate your
general availability for a meeting to occur twice a month on that same
day of week and time.

https://doodle.com/poll/c94n9miwxb7xdq66

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[Container-tools] CRI-O vs. ContainerD

[Josh Berkus]

... can someone give me a practical rundown?

Speaking as a Kubernetes user, how are these different?

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[Container-tools] Looking for FOSDEM talks on Atomic/Containers/Etc.

[Josh Berkus]

Folks,

For anyone going to FOSDEM, there's some containerish rooms, one on
microservices (I'm running it) and one on Monitoring & Ops.

https://www.cncf.io/event/fosdem-2017

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[Container-tools] Anyone want free passes to SysDig Summit in SF?

[Josh Berkus]

I have a few.

Please reply off-list.

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Re: [Container-tools] [atomic-devel] Reminder: KubeCon Passes

[Josh Berkus]

On 09/21/2016 11:17 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) wrote:
> No offense intended.  Is this type of marketing communication really 
> appropriate for a technical mailing list?

It's a technical conference, and the passes are for code contributors to
our container projects.  Given the number of offlist responses I've
gotten from members of this list, I'd say yes.

I suspect you'd feel differently if you were asking for one of the passes.

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[Container-tools] Missing pieces: build from dockerfile

[Josh Berkus]

... do we have a project for this?  I don't see one.

Right, now, it seems like the only thing we're missing for the stack.

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[Container-tools] Tool request from LinuxCon: layer re-use

[Josh Berkus]

CT team:

I was talking to some enterprise container builders at LinuxCon, and one
thing which came up as a tooling request was some way to
encourage/enforce making developers re-use shared container layers, and
track if they had.

The basic idea is that it's a "best practice" to make reusable layered
containers with foundational technology and re-use them -- among other
things, to simplify security updates.  So for example, this would be
good inherited container heirarchy for a GeoDjango container:


Fedora24
   |
Python27
   |
Django
   |
GeoDjango
   |
MyGeoDjangoApplication

And this would be a poor one:

Fedora24
   |
MyGeoDjangoApplication


But AFAIK, there aren't any tools to encourage or check for the first
over the second.

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[Container-tools] Looking for talk proposals, attendees for Container Days NYC

[Josh Berkus]

Folks,

Container Days NYC is November 3rd and 4th.  ContainerDays is an
"unconference" on the DevOpsDays model, with a few keynote talks and
then a bunch of open discussion sessions.  It is open source and tech
centric, and low on corporate marketing.

I am looking for members of our container team who:

a) are interested in proposing keynote sessions

b) are interested in attending and proposing discussion sessions

For keynote sessions, talks need to be general to the world of
containers, and show one of three things:

1. Techincal detail on some current, common aspect of container technology;
2. Descriptions and demos of some cool new technology;
3. Inspirational talks about the container ecosystem or social aspects
of new stacks.

If you have an idea for such a keynote, please email me with a 3-4 line
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[Container-tools] Who's going to ContainerCon/LinuxCon?

[Josh Berkus]

Containerish folks:

If you're going to ContainerCon/LinuxCon, and are available to work the
Atomic/OpenShift booth, please ping me real soon with your dress shirt
size.  We're going to have some new gear for the booth.

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Re: [Container-tools] Atomic Developer Bundle videos available in Youtube

[Josh Berkus]

On 07/06/2016 10:30 PM, Lalatendu Mohanty wrote:
> On 07/07/2016 05:43 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> On 07/06/2016 11:08 AM, Jason Brooks wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Joe Brockmeier <j...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Josh Berkus <jber...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> Awesome.  Is there anyone who can write a paragraph about each video?
>>>>> If not, I'll do it, it'll just take a bit longer.
>>>> Maybe if we asked Jason Brooks very nicely he could help here?
>>> Heh, sure. If we have the slide deck used in the videos available,
>>> that'd make this easier for me.
>> Oh, do we?  That would be great.
>>
>> What I want to do is create a medium-long description of each video for
>> the blog, and post it with a link, one for each day.
>>
>>
> Hi Josh, Jason,
> 
> I had the same thing in mind when we started the video series. The idea
> is once we are done with the video series i.e. couple of weeks more , we
> will start writing blogs embedding these videos in it.  You are welcome
> to help with the process.  We will coordinate the blog drafts through
> https://titanpad.com/adbvideoseries

Oh, great!

Yeah, I'm looking to ideally do full description with copy-and-pastable
commands for each video so that people can follow along.


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Re: [Container-tools] Atomic Developer Bundle videos available in Youtube

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Lala,

> We have 4 videos till now and they are available in Project Atomic
> Youtube channel [1]. Here are the details.
> 

Awesome.  Is there anyone who can write a paragraph about each video?
If not, I'll do it, it'll just take a bit longer.

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[Container-tools] Fwd: Re: A few local tech meetups next week in SF

[Josh Berkus]

Folks,

If you're in town for Summit, there are some meetups you might be
interested in from the below.  Like the Kubernetes meetup.



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Subject:Re: A few local tech meetups next week in SF
Date:   Sat, 25 Jun 2016 07:07:38 -0400
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To: kprab...@redhat.com , Berkus, Josh




Karthik,
  Thank you for sharing. It is a brilliant idea to share this. This
was a reminder for me. I am going to look through and try and make at
least a couple of these...

We need more technical presence in the Bay area...

Best Regards
Scott M

El 25 jun. 2016 12:10 AM, "Karthik Prabhakar" > escribió:

With SF's density of tech people, local meetups typically bring
together some brilliant minds.

Unfortunately, next week appears to be a tad lighter than usual for
tech meetups, but here's a few that happen to be in my meetup
calendar (possibly of interest to Red Hat folks). Since it's a rare
occasion when more than a couple of Red Hatters show up to meetups
in SF, I reckon it might be worth letting folks attending Summit
know about these, in case they've spare time during the evenings.
Besides the talks themselves, I find it quite enriching to network
with other attendees at these meetups.

Happy Summit,
Karthik

Mon:

http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-API-Microservices-Meetup/events/229129409/
http://www.meetup.com/SF-Fintech/events/230907430/

Tues:

http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Silicon-Valley-OpenStack-Meetup/events/230988279/
http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Mesos-User-Group/events/231924310/
http://www.meetup.com/AWS-SANFRANCISCO/events/231675432/
http://www.meetup.com/OpenLate/events/230849199/
http://www.meetup.com/SF-Data-Science/events/232061392/

Wed:
http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Kubernetes-Meetup/events/231629059/
http://www.meetup.com/Docker-meetups/events/231898399/

http://www.meetup.com/Cloud-Native-Networking-Meetup-Group/events/231454421/
http://www.meetup.com/SF-Data-Science/events/231972545/
http://www.meetup.com/Startup-Grind-SF/events/229974044/
http://www.meetup.com/DrupalGroup/events/231956716/

http://www.meetup.com/Code-for-San-Francisco-Civic-Hack-Night/events/231036369/
http://www.meetup.com/SF-Bay-Areas-Big-Data-Think-Tank/events/231867681/
http://www.meetup.com/HumanOps-SanFrancisco/events/231558901/

Thurs:
http://www.meetup.com/SF-Microservices/events/231779377/
http://www.meetup.com/spark-users/events/231574440/
http://www.meetup.com/San-Francisco-Agile-Marketing/events/232043645/
http://www.meetup.com/BayNET/events/231092349/
http://www.meetup.com/CircleCI-Office-Hours/events/231536587/

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Re: [Container-tools] [atomic-devel] Call for live demos for Atomic Cluster at Summit, Community Central

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Folks,

So I still don't have anything approaching a full schedule of live
demos.  I know a lot of you are putting together video demos ... it's
completely OK to demo the same thing in the live demo area.

Let me know.


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[Container-tools] Reminder: CfP deadline for ContainerCon Europe this Friday

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Folks:

http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/containercon-europe/program/cfp?utm_source=lf_medium=email_campaign=containerconeu16

We'd like to have a really good showing at ContainerCon Europe.  If
you're an engineer working on some container technology for Red Hat in
Europe, and can speak, please submit a talk!

If you're ready to propose a talk, and can get the time, but don't have
travel funding, then please contact me; I have a limited amount of
funding for container conferences for the year to draw on.

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Re: [Container-tools] [atomic-devel] Call for live demos for Atomic Cluster at Summit, Container Central

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>> A complete OpenShift available? 

UPDATE: I will have an OpenShift environment available.

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Re: [Container-tools] Call for live demos for Atomic Cluster at Summit, Container Central

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On 06/02/2016 08:31 AM, Dusty Mabe wrote:
> 
> 
> On 06/02/2016 11:24 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> On 06/02/2016 08:21 AM, Burr Sutter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2016, Josh Berkus <jber...@redhat.com
>>> <mailto:jber...@redhat.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 06/02/2016 08:10 AM, Burr Sutter wrote:
>>> > So, would I use it as Docker daemon (docker pull, docker build,
>>> docker run)?
>>> > Or do I use it as a Kubernetes cluster (kubectl get pods)?
>>>
>>> Preferably using kubectl, atomic or oc.
>>>
>>>
>>> A complete OpenShift available? 
>>>
>>
>> Well, That Depends.
>>
>> Right now, installing OpenShift on top of an Atomic Cluster is somewhat
>> ... involved.  If the OpenShift folks can help me through some of the
>> issues, we can make it run.  That would be a useful thing to do anyway.
>>
> 
> This may or may not help, but I have openshift running on an Atomic
> Host for one of the labs I am doing for summit:
> 
> https://github.com/dustymabe/summit-2016-container-lab/tree/master/vagrantAtomicCluster
> 
> There is probably a bunch of stuff in there that is specific to the
> lab, but it's at least a working example. 

That helps a lot, actually.


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Re: [Container-tools] Anyone available for Bubblewrap, Registry or Scan demos at Summit?

[Josh Berkus]

On 05/15/2016 03:55 PM, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
> When is this session is held or to be?

This is for Community Central in the exhibit hall.


> Link for slides if it's already held.
> 
> On May 3, 2016 3:31 PM, "Daniel J Walsh" <dwa...@redhat.com
> <mailto:dwa...@redhat.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 05/02/2016 06:51 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> 
> On 05/02/2016 11:36 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> 
> 
> On 05/02/2016 02:22 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I'd like to do some demos of our container security
> stuff at Summit in
> the Project Atomic pod.  Will anyone be going to Summit,
> and be
> available to demo Scan, Bubblewrap, Registry, or some
> other security
> tool?
> 
> I will, not sure if Brent will be there also.  Would be nice
> to see if
> someone from BlackDuck will be there also.
> 
> Great, can you work up a demo of anything, and if so, what?  I can
> supply a small Atomic Host cluster and a monitor.
> 
> Brent has a demo, but I think we would want Closed Captions so
> people could
> read it rather then listening to him speaking.
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Re: [Container-tools] [atomic-devel] One-line project descriptions for Docs and the new website

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All,

We have enough projects that I'd like to group them for ease of
navigation.  Here's suggested grouping, please come up with better ideas:

Platforms
-

* Atomic Host
* OpenShift Origin

Developer Tools
---

* Atomic App
* Atomic Developer Bundle
* Atomic CLI and Scan

Operations Tools


* Cockpit
* Commissaire
* Registry
* Bubblewrap

Standards
-

* Container Best Practices
* Nulecule

Other Projects and Tools
-

* rpm-ostree
* Docker extensions
* docs.projectatomic.io





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Re: [Container-tools] [atomic-devel] Meetup tracking request: have you done a meetup?

[Josh Berkus]

On 05/03/2016 10:13 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> I know that a bunch of you have spoken at local user groups, or while
> travelling.  I'd like to start tracking this just so that we know where
> we're reaching out to people about our container tech projects.
> 
> When you have a chance, can you fill out this very short form for as
> many meetups as you've spoken at in the last year about containers,
> OpenShift or Atomic in some way?  It would really help us coordinate
> developer/community outreach across all of our projects.
> 
> Everyone will also have access to results as well.
> 
> Red Hat employees only now, just so that I don't have to worry about
> personal information while sharing.  If you're a non-RH contributor to
> Atomic/OpenShift/etc., then please email me.  Thanks!
> 

A link would help, no?

http://goo.gl/forms/zth8PxSuti

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[Container-tools] Meetup tracking request: have you done a meetup?

[Josh Berkus]

Folks,

I know that a bunch of you have spoken at local user groups, or while
travelling.  I'd like to start tracking this just so that we know where
we're reaching out to people about our container tech projects.

When you have a chance, can you fill out this very short form for as
many meetups as you've spoken at in the last year about containers,
OpenShift or Atomic in some way?  It would really help us coordinate
developer/community outreach across all of our projects.

Everyone will also have access to results as well.

Red Hat employees only now, just so that I don't have to worry about
personal information while sharing.  If you're a non-RH contributor to
Atomic/OpenShift/etc., then please email me.  Thanks!

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[Container-tools] Anyone available for Bubblewrap, Registry or Scan demos at Summit?

[Josh Berkus]

Folks,

I'd like to do some demos of our container security stuff at Summit in
the Project Atomic pod.  Will anyone be going to Summit, and be
available to demo Scan, Bubblewrap, Registry, or some other security tool?

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Re: [Container-tools] A Hangout Series on ADB

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On 04/29/2016 12:14 AM, Lalatendu Mohanty wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Now that we had reached a milestone release for Atomic Developer Bundle
> (ADB) 2.0.0 . We are planning to do a hangout series about features of
> ADB (one hangout every week). Here are the topics we have in mind.

Can you let me know the schedule for this as soon as you have one?  I
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Re: [Container-tools] [aos-devel] Coming to Westford

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On 04/29/2016 05:14 AM, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> On 04/28/2016 04:40 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> I'll be spending one day in Westford prior to ContainerDays, on May 23.
>>   I'd like to meet as many people and teams as possible.
>>
>> I'm not all that clear on exactly who is there.  Who should I drop in on?
>>
> Josh I have 4 team container team members here.  I can also set you up to
> meet some of the other teams.  There are a few OpenShift guys here also.
> Are you coming May 22?

I arrive late in the afternoon on the 22nd, I think.  But I arrive at
Logan; I was assuming it'll take  me a while to get out to Westford.

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Re: [Container-tools] [atomic-devel] One-line project descriptions for Docs and the new website

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On 04/21/2016 01:06 AM, Stef Walter wrote:
> On 20.04.2016 20:53, Josh Berkus wrote:
>> On 04/20/2016 11:53 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>>
>>> For docs.projectatomic.io, and eventually for the new
>>> www.projectatomic.io, I'm doing logos and one-line descriptions for each
>>> atomic-associated project.
>>>
>>> Please take a look at it and update/correct:
>>>
>>> 1. Are your project(s) missing?
>>>
>>> 2. Is the one-line description for your project(s) correct?
>>>
>>> 3. Does your project(s) have an icon or logo we can use?
>>>
>>
>> It would help if I included the link:
>> https://github.com/projectatomic/docs.projectatomic.io/blob/master/drafts/project_list.md
> 
> For Cockpit:
> 
> This might be a better logo, if you need it to stand out on white:
> https://github.com/cockpit-project/cockpit-project.github.io/blob/master/favicon-152.png
> 
> Location: http://cockpit-project.org/
> 
> Andreas is working on redesigning the navigation on cockpit-project.org.
> It'll be a better landing page for the project in the future.

"Location" refers to the docs.  That brings up a good question: should
we be hosting a copy of the Cockpit docs on docs.projectatomic.io?  I
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[Container-tools] Please submit talks to ContainerCon

[Josh Berkus]

Folks,

ContainerCon, a conference co-hosted with LinuxCon in Toronto in late
August, has a Call for Presentations open for 1 more week.  It would be
great to have some Atomic speakers in the lineup.

http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/containercon/program/cfp

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[Container-tools] The main blocker for Nulecule

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Folks,

So I was at Container.camp on Friday, and chatting with the Joyent
Folks.  And it turns out that they built their own thing, to fulfill the
same purpose as Nulecule, mostly because they'd never heard of Nulecule.
 Sadly, they're now too far along for them to become interested in
collaborating.

We really need to reach out to other container tech companies and get
them interested in Nulecule as a standard.  Is anyone available to work
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Re: [Container-tools] Namespace for demo images

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So, how does this work?

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(apologies for top-posting, RH Zimbra is to blame)

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To: "Dirk Herrmann" <dherr...@redhat.com>
Cc: "container-tools" <container-tools@redhat.com>, "Ben Breard" 
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Awesome, that would be great!!! Then I could have demo images built on RHEL and 
still share them with the world. Novel concept for winning market share ;-)

- Original Message -
> From: "Dirk Herrmann" <dherr...@redhat.com>
> To: "Scott McCarty" <smcca...@redhat.com>, "Josh Berkus" <jber...@redhat.com>
> Cc: "container-tools" <container-tools@redhat.com>, "Ben Breard" 
> <bbre...@redhat.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:12:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [Container-tools] Namespace for demo images
> 
> As part of current Red Hat Hub investigation / spike efforts I've
> added
> a card that each registered user of our registry should have its own
> namespace, maybe below an other namespace. By default only visible to
> the user himself but also allowing sharing the images inside with
> others
> / all. Not discussed with any of the owners yet, just added the card
> to
> avoid that it gets lost.
> 
> If not possible maybe as a dedicated registry (OpenShift Online
> similar
> to the ISV registry?) under our federated index including links and
> pointers from related product related WebUI (Red Hat Hub) meta
> information pages (sthg like "...if you're using this beautiful XYZ
> image you might want to check out this beautiful demo using this
> product
> created by user XYZ..."). The idea behind was Scott's request to make
> demo images available to a broader community but hosted under the Red
> Hat umbrella and not somewhere outside (DockerHub or similar).
> 
> Dirk
> 
> On 03/03/2016 08:35 PM, Scott McCarty wrote:
> > So, I don't have a massive horse in this race, but I will say it
> > keeps coming up all over Red Hat. Because of this, I created an
> > article defining terminology that will hopefully help everyone get
> > on the same page [1].
> >
> > That said, I know Ben is against creating name spaces on the Red
> > Hat Registry like aep3_beta and
> > rhel_demos_fred_johnson_is_awesome, etc. I concur. That said, with
> > demos, I don't see any sane way other than something like
> > projectatomic_demos, unless you can create another layer in
> > DockerHub's infrastructure? Something like
> > projectatomic/demos/demo1 would be awesome, I just don't know if
> > you can do that?
> >
> > My 2c. I have the same pain with the Red Hat Registry. Since by
> > nature, I am dealing with "the suits", I need to use RHEL images,
> > and I can't put my demos on DockerHub :-(  Hence, I am in the
> > business of distributing only Dockerfiles on GitHub for now [2].,
> > though I would love to be able to contribute to your demo area
> > with "some" CentOS demos too (there are certain things that I
> > really need images for and CentOS is my closest fall back)...
> >
> > [1]:
> > http://developerblog.redhat.com/2016/01/13/a-practical-introduction-to-docker-container-terminology/
> > [2]: https://github.com/fatherlinux/container-supply-chain
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Scott M
> >
> > - Original Message -
> >> From: "Josh Berkus" <jber...@redhat.com>
> >> To: "container-tools" <container-tools@redhat.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2016 2:28:39 PM
> >> Subject: [Container-tools] Namespace for demo images
> >>
> >> Under docker.io/projectatomic it would be nice to have some kind
> >> of
> >> namespacing for "demo" containers which aren't regarded as
> >> production-quality.  Since I'm already generating these, I'd like
> >> to
> >> create one real soon.
> >>
> >> Thoughts on how we want to do that?  A "demo" prefix?  Or
> >> something
> >> else?
> >>
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Re: [Container-tools] Atomic App / Nulecule Spec Readiness for 1.0.0: we still have some work to do

[Josh Berkus]

On 03/07/2016 03:36 PM, Dusty Mabe wrote:


- We would like to have more "users" attempt to create Apps so we can fully vet
   Atomic App and Nulecule Spec before we approach 1.0.0 status.


Pursuant to this, I intend to do two projects, since I want to do them 
anyway in order to have good conference/demo material.  If/when I can 
complete these, Nulecule and atomic.app will be in a vastly improved 
state of readiness.


Postgres HA:
Creating an atomic.app which represents a PostgreSQL HA cluster,
including:
* 4 Postgres nodes,
* etcd cluster,
* Postgres proxy
* patronictl client
* persistentVolumes
* secrets
* ENV variables

OwnCloud
Creating an atomic.app for a personal OwnCloud,
on AWS, including:
* PostgreSQL database
* Apache/PHP webserver
* persistentVolumes
* secrets
Then, moving that deployment from AWS to own Harware
using the Atomic.app definition.

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Re: [Container-tools] STOP top posting in mailing list

[Josh Berkus]

On 03/04/2016 03:05 AM, Suraj Deshmukh wrote:

Hi,


With all due respect, Please read this [1] and stop top posting, in
mailing list, it really makes it hard to read the flow of messages and
replies.


Unfortunately, Red Hat's Zimbra-based webmail interface *only* supports 
top-posting.  This is not a limitation of Zimbra, because I've used it 
elsewhere, but it is a limitation of how RH chose to configure it.


There are also more than a few mobile clients which only support 
top-posting, and I'm pretty sure that includes all of the ones which 
work with RH's email servers.


So, while bottom-posting (and, for that matter, proper quoting) are 
clearly superior, we have to grit our teeth and live with not alwasy 
getting what we want.  The alternative is driving people away from the 
list because we're making them responsible for the deplorable state of 
email client technology.


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Re: [Container-tools] Security vs. Usability: atomic commands and permissions

[Josh Berkus]

On 03/02/2016 05:34 PM, Josh Berkus wrote:

On 03/02/2016 05:16 AM, Brian (bex) Exelbierd wrote:

On 02/27/2016 03:15 AM, Josh Berkus wrote:

Folks,

So I'm testing the new atomicapp tutorial documentation, and one thing
I'm running across as a major usability issue for Linux desktop
developers is that most of the commands require sudo, and create files
which are owned and editable only by root.  Which means that I can't
easily pull, fork and modify Nulecule applications for my own use in my
text editor of choice (Atom, for example).


Could we clean this up by setting files we expect to be edited to being
owned by the user?  I realize that creates a secondary security issue,
but it would ease the workflow.  We aren't talking about a production
situation here ...

Ideally it would be nice to see privileges only used where they are
really needed.


What's the advantage to having any files owned by root on the user's own
laptop, in their dev environment?


So, here's an example where how we do this is fail for developers.

In order to have answers.conf file, I should do "atomicapp genanswers", 
which will create an answers.conf file from the Nulecule file.  However, 
the newly generated file is owned by "root", which means I can't use 
Atom to edit it; I have to do "sudo vi" or "sudo emacs".


This is a major usability barrier.


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[Container-tools] Namespace for demo images

[Josh Berkus]

Under docker.io/projectatomic it would be nice to have some kind of 
namespacing for "demo" containers which aren't regarded as 
production-quality.  Since I'm already generating these, I'd like to 
create one real soon.


Thoughts on how we want to do that?  A "demo" prefix?  Or something else?

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[Container-tools] Anyone know the official branding on Atomic-App?

[Josh Berkus]

Is it:

atomic.app
atomicapp
AtomicApp
Atomic App
Atomic-App

... or something else?

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[Container-tools] Improving the atomic.app developer experience

[Josh Berkus]

Folks,

So as of 1.0, we will have an excellent packager format for 
Atomic/Nulecule apps and the Atomic platform.  However, what we will not 
have is a tool which makes it easier for developers to package their 
applications.  I think that's something we can do, but we'll need to 
build 2.0 to do it.  The goal is to have an atomic.app which saves 
developers work, so that they *want* to use it.


Here's the main areas I can see where we can make atomic.app better for 
developers in priority order:


1. File Generation:  right now atomic.app requires typing out/copying 
multiple files in multiple locations, most of which are duplicative of 
standard templates or each other.  Really, we should be able to take 
just a tree file alone from the user and generate all of the other 
files, except in the "advanced" cases.  All of the other files are 
derivative of that tree file and 3rd-party APIs.


2. Security and Permissions: we need a way for developers to be able to 
use their chosen tools on their desktop, but still use atomic.app to 
build apps (see prior email).  As a bonus, we could offer the ability to 
set SELinux permission requirements as part of the atomic.app format; 
that would not only make atomic.app valuable, it would ease the tendency 
of developers to just disable SELinux.


3. Integrated Image Build: as the next step, it would really help 
developers if we could build their images (e.g. myuser/mywebapp), 
register them, and then deploy them via atomic app as one command.  This 
would mean that users would just provide a tree file and a set of source 
code repos (with dockerfiles) and one command would do the rest.


Now, I'm not wedded to any particular way to accomplish the above; 
whether it's via atomic.app, Cockpit integration, or even Ansible is 
fine with me as long as the installation and the steps are simple.


Thoughts?

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[Container-tools] Can someone write a real Getting Started guide for Atomic App?

[Josh Berkus]

Folks,

So:

https://github.com/projectatomic/atomicapp

... has:

For more information see the Atomic App getting started guide.

... but that links to this page:

http://www.projectatomic.io/docs/atomicapp/

... which is just a duplicate of the README, and contains no additional 
information.


Given how abstract the Nulecule Spec docs are (and have to be), do we 
have someone who could write a real getting started guide for Atomic 
App?  I'll help wordsmith and publish it, but I don't know enough to 
write the content, yet.


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