Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-09 Thread Leon Brooks
On Thursday 09 January 2003 03:19 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the name urpmi does sound stupid, like somebody belching. why do linux programmers give their software such silly names? guess they dont have sales or packaging departments OK, how about `RPMmy' the handy RPM wizard, requires

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-09 Thread Thomas Backlund
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the name urpmi does sound stupid, like somebody belching. why do linux programmers give their software such silly names? guess they dont have sales or packaging departments IMHO it could be: urpmi - Unified RPM Installer urpme - Unified RPM Eraser urpmf - Unified

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-09 Thread Buchan Milne
Thomas Backlund wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] the name urpmi does sound stupid, like somebody belching. why do linux programmers give their software such silly names? guess they dont have sales or packaging departments IMHO it could be: urpmi - Unified RPM Installer urpme -

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-08 Thread Bryan Whitehead
Steve Fox wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 23:19, Vox wrote: I actually like to think that urpmi getting old unresolved deps flagged is A Good Thing(tm). If you don't care for deps, don't use a package *manager*. I totally appreciate that for packages which are being upgraded/installed. But

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-08 Thread Steve Fox
On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 12:32, Bryan Whitehead wrote: In the real world, sysadmins just find a solution (like redoing the crap ass RPM someone made) and move on with life. If you don't like dependancy checking, then don't use urpmi. Use the plain rpm command. Write your own scripts as a

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-08 Thread Buchan Milne
Bryan Whitehead wrote: Steve Fox wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 23:19, Vox wrote: I actually like to think that urpmi getting old unresolved deps flagged is A Good Thing(tm). If you don't care for deps, don't use a package *manager*. I totally appreciate that for packages which are

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-08 Thread Bryan Whitehead
Steve Fox wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 12:32, Bryan Whitehead wrote: In the real world, sysadmins just find a solution (like redoing the crap ass RPM someone made) and move on with life. If you don't like dependancy checking, then don't use urpmi. Use the plain rpm command. Write your own

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-08 Thread Jay DeKing
On Wednesday 08 January 2003 06:53 pm, Bryan Whitehead honored me with this communique: Steve Fox wrote: On Wed, 2003-01-08 at 12:32, Bryan Whitehead wrote: In the real world, sysadmins just find a solution (like redoing the crap ass RPM someone made) and move on with life. If you don't like

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-08 Thread pablito
the name urpmi does sound stupid, like somebody belching. why do linux programmers give their software such silly names? guess they dont have sales or packaging departments Quoting Jay DeKing [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 08 January 2003 06:53 pm, Bryan Whitehead honored me with this

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-07 Thread Quel Qun
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 21:19, Vox wrote: This time Steve Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 19:47, Vox wrote: Easy to fix: rpm -e --justdb SuperFoo While that is certainly a solution, it seems like an awful nasty hack. (but thanks for

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-07 Thread Mark Scott
Quel Qun wrote: On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 21:19, Vox wrote: This time Steve Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: I would much prefer to see the tool remain smart. Really, why should it even care if unrelated dependencies are unresolved? It's kind of like getting into other people's

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-07 Thread François Pons
Le mar 07/01/2003 à 05:22, Steve Fox a écrit : I would much prefer to see the tool remain smart. Really, why should it even care if unrelated dependencies are unresolved? It's kind of like getting into other people's business even though they didn't ask you to. (ok, maybe that's not the best

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-07 Thread Buchan Milne
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vox wrote: This time Steve Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: But in the Real World (tm), there are idiots who package things to fit in their little world. They won't listen to me when I say to use a Requires: java instead of

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-07 Thread Emmanuel Blindauer
Le Mardi 7 Janvier 2003 02:35, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : Why urpmi should and could do , ftp and http doesn't support this kind of feature. Maybe you can use a protocol which support... hum, let me purpose, hum... no... Ah yes ! Use rsync !! I reduce a lot my bandwith I switched from ftp to

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-07 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Mardi 7 Janvier 2003 13:02, Emmanuel Blindauer a écrit : Can you explain a little more, how you can use rsync with urpmi ? these is nothing in the man or --help Emmanuel Yes: I'll go on the very beautifull and powerfull http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon, I choose an adress beginning by

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-07 Thread Emmanuel Blindauer
Le Mardi 7 Janvier 2003 14:32, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : Yes: I'll go on the very beautifull and powerfull http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon, I choose an adress beginning by rsync:// I follow instruction and here an exemple: urpmi.addmedia main

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-07 Thread Jean-Michel Dault
Le mar 07/01/2003 à 04:43, Mark Scott a écrit : Does putting the rpm name in /etc/urpmi/skip.list stop the attempted removal? It stops upgrading to packages (such as ignore apache2, I want to stick with apache thanks). Do you have a specific reason to stay with Apache 1.3? The 1.3 series

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-07 Thread Ron Stodden
Emmanuel Blindauer wrote: Le Mardi 7 Janvier 2003 14:32, Olivier Thauvin a écrit : Yes: I'll go on the very beautifull and powerfull http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon, I choose an adress beginning by rsync:// I follow instruction and here an exemple: urpmi.addmedia main

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-07 Thread Steve Fox
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 04:18, François Pons wrote: Ok, I hope I will not hurt sensibility but urpmi doesn't care if unrelated dependencies are unresolved. *BUT* urpmi when resolving related dependencies (and related should be understanded in the very large part) it may add unresolved

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-07 Thread Steve Fox
On Tue, 2003-01-07 at 01:35, Vox wrote: Then use the ugly little hack to go around their ugly little hack, and keep yelling at them...if it's closed source stuff, I bet you are paying them...so...yell at them a lot...if they don't want to fix it, yell at their boss or at their boss'

[Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Steve Fox
I noticed that urpmi now tries to figure out all the unresolved dependencies on your system just like how apt does. I think this is extremely annoying behavior and I wish I was disabled by default. Justification: I have an application, SuperFoo, installed. It has a dependency on IBM's Java

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Danny Tholen
On Monday 06 January 2003 22:06, Steve Fox wrote: I noticed that urpmi now tries to figure out all the unresolved dependencies on your system just like how apt does. I think this is extremely annoying behavior and I wish I was disabled by default. I had not noticed it is doing that now, but if

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Leon Brooks
On Tuesday 07 January 2003 05:06 am, Steve Fox wrote: Previously I have bragged to Debian users that urpmi is smarter because it only concerns itself with the packages that are being installed/upgraded. I'd like to be able to brag that it doesn't download a couple of megabytes before

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Mardi 7 Janvier 2003 00:42, Leon Brooks a écrit : On Tuesday 07 January 2003 05:06 am, Steve Fox wrote: Previously I have bragged to Debian users that urpmi is smarter because it only concerns itself with the packages that are being installed/upgraded. I'd like to be able to brag that

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Vox
This time Steve Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: I noticed that urpmi now tries to figure out all the unresolved dependencies on your system just like how apt does. I think this is extremely annoying behavior and I wish I was disabled by default. Justification: I have an

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Jason Greenwood
Damn people on this list rock...I have never even heard of that command!! Cool, thanks (and I didn't even need it!!). Regards, Jason *sitting in awe at his ignorance of so many things Linux. Vox wrote: This time Steve Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: I

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Mardi 7 Janvier 2003 02:32, vous avez écrit : On Tuesday 07 January 2003 09:35 am, Olivier Thauvin wrote: Le Mardi 7 Janvier 2003 00:42, Leon Brooks a écrit : On Tuesday 07 January 2003 05:06 am, Steve Fox wrote: Previously I have bragged to Debian users that urpmi is smarter because

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Lonnie Borntreger
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 19:47, Vox wrote: Easy to fix: rpm -e --justdb SuperFoo That'll delete SuperFoo from your rpm database without deleting the actual files. That way your deps will work nicely and you have your package installed. I would add --notriggers --noscripts

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Steve Fox
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 19:47, Vox wrote: Easy to fix: rpm -e --justdb SuperFoo While that is certainly a solution, it seems like an awful nasty hack. (but thanks for the tip :) I would much prefer to see the tool remain smart. Really, why should it even care if unrelated dependencies

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Vox
This time Steve Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 19:47, Vox wrote: Easy to fix: rpm -e --justdb SuperFoo While that is certainly a solution, it seems like an awful nasty hack. (but thanks for the tip :) I would much prefer to see the tool

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Steve Fox
On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 23:19, Vox wrote: I actually like to think that urpmi getting old unresolved deps flagged is A Good Thing(tm). If you don't care for deps, don't use a package *manager*. I totally appreciate that for packages which are being upgraded/installed. But for stuff that's

Re: [Cooker] Please don't make urpmi stupid

2003-01-06 Thread Vox
This time Steve Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] becomes daring and writes: On Mon, 2003-01-06 at 23:19, Vox wrote: I actually like to think that urpmi getting old unresolved deps flagged is A Good Thing(tm). If you don't care for deps, don't use a package *manager*. I totally appreciate that