Re: [Club-Volunteers] Re: [Cooker] urpmi.setup in main ?

2003-02-18 Thread Daouda LO
Narfi Stefansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thursday 13 February 2003 05:33, Denis HAVLIK wrote:

[...]

  FYI, MandrakeFirsttime will let folks declare that they are
  Club members and even subscribe directly (trial accounts with
  boxes) and automatically configure Club downloads in 9.1.
 
  cu
  Denis
 
 Then there have to be some changes made to MandrakeFirsttime.
 
 The way MandrakeFirsttime is right now, it triggers my panic nerves: I see a 
 explanation which is too long to fit on one screenful: we will not use this 
 data to ... we do use this data for ... [too long for me to read] 

[...]

 bugreports on Mandrakefirsttime in bugzilla,  one for the text and one for 
 the lack of a share/do not share this info with mandrake checkbox.

It was fixed now (try latest drakfirsttime/mdkonline).




Re: [Club-Volunteers] Re: [Cooker] urpmi.setup in main ?

2003-02-13 Thread Denis HAVLIK
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Buchan Milne wrote:

+ Furthermore, I think it might be modified to be able to easily get a
+ mirror list from MandrakeClub, specifically so that Club Members could
+ easily setup a urpmi source for MandrakeClub, for things like getting
+ the NVidia drivers.

FYI, MandrakeFirsttime will let folks declare that they are
Club members and even subscribe directly (trial accounts with
boxes) and automatically configure Club downloads in 9.1.

cu
Denis
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Re: [Club-Volunteers] Re: [Cooker] urpmi.setup in main ?

2003-02-13 Thread Narfi Stefansson
On Thursday 13 February 2003 05:33, Denis HAVLIK wrote:
 On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Buchan Milne wrote:

 + Furthermore, I think it might be modified to be able to easily get a
 + mirror list from MandrakeClub, specifically so that Club Members could
 + easily setup a urpmi source for MandrakeClub, for things like getting
 + the NVidia drivers.

 FYI, MandrakeFirsttime will let folks declare that they are
 Club members and even subscribe directly (trial accounts with
 boxes) and automatically configure Club downloads in 9.1.

 cu
   Denis

Then there have to be some changes made to MandrakeFirsttime.

The way MandrakeFirsttime is right now, it triggers my panic nerves: I see a 
explanation which is too long to fit on one screenful: we will not use this 
data to ... we do use this data for ... [too long for me to read] 
followed by a request for personal information. I automatically click cancel.
[More about the text below]

There are alternative designs: Don't show the screen with the long 
explanations, jump straight to the user setup screen and have a checkbox: 
Share this data with MandrakeSoft and a button next to it which brings up 
the explanations of what is involved if one chooses to do the sharing.

Has anyone here ever read the text? Here's a copy of the first 4 lines as they 
are in 9.0, I believe it is the same in cooker:

 What personal data do we collect ?

Various information is collected in different areas of the website;
what follows is an overview of the data we keep:

Firstly, we record your email address, name and postal address.

1) website??? This seems completely inappropriate for mandrakefirsttime.
2) we record your ... and no opt-out? This makes me hit cancel right away.

I suspect the text was simply copied without modifications from mandrakeexpert 
or some other website!

If anybody replies in support of this usability issue, I'll open a 2 
bugreports on Mandrakefirsttime in bugzilla,  one for the text and one for 
the lack of a share/do not share this info with mandrake checkbox.

Narfi.




Re: [Club-Volunteers] Re: [Cooker] urpmi.setup in main ?

2003-02-13 Thread Danny Tholen
I agree with you.
Opening a bug is a good idea. I do not give it much change to be fixed however 
:(

Danny

On Thursday 13 February 2003 16:51, Narfi Stefansson wrote:
 On Thursday 13 February 2003 05:33, Denis HAVLIK wrote:
  On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Buchan Milne wrote:
 
  + Furthermore, I think it might be modified to be able to easily get a
  + mirror list from MandrakeClub, specifically so that Club Members could
  + easily setup a urpmi source for MandrakeClub, for things like getting
  + the NVidia drivers.
 
  FYI, MandrakeFirsttime will let folks declare that they are
  Club members and even subscribe directly (trial accounts with
  boxes) and automatically configure Club downloads in 9.1.
 
  cu
  Denis

 Then there have to be some changes made to MandrakeFirsttime.

 The way MandrakeFirsttime is right now, it triggers my panic nerves: I see
 a explanation which is too long to fit on one screenful: we will not use
 this data to ... we do use this data for ... [too long for me to read]
 followed by a request for personal information. I automatically click
 cancel. [More about the text below]

 There are alternative designs: Don't show the screen with the long
 explanations, jump straight to the user setup screen and have a checkbox:
 Share this data with MandrakeSoft and a button next to it which brings up
 the explanations of what is involved if one chooses to do the sharing.

 Has anyone here ever read the text? Here's a copy of the first 4 lines as
 they are in 9.0, I believe it is the same in cooker:

  What personal data do we collect ?

 Various information is collected in different areas of the website;
 what follows is an overview of the data we keep:

 Firstly, we record your email address, name and postal address.

 1) website??? This seems completely inappropriate for
 mandrakefirsttime. 2) we record your ... and no opt-out? This makes me
 hit cancel right away.

 I suspect the text was simply copied without modifications from
 mandrakeexpert or some other website!

 If anybody replies in support of this usability issue, I'll open a 2
 bugreports on Mandrakefirsttime in bugzilla,  one for the text and one for
 the lack of a share/do not share this info with mandrake checkbox.

 Narfi.





Re: [Cooker] urpmi.setup in main ?

2003-02-12 Thread Chmouel Boudjnah
Olivier Thauvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 What about puting this package on main instead contrib. It seems lot of poeple 
 want or need it:

why is not done in rpmdrake ?





Re: [Cooker] urpmi.setup in main ?

2003-02-12 Thread Buchan Milne
Olivier Thauvin wrote:
 What about puting this package on main instead contrib. It seems lot of poeple 
 want or need it:


I would agree, in fact I think it should be rolled into urpmi, and have
an icon in Mandrake Control Center.

Furthermore, I think it might be modified to be able to easily get a
mirror list from MandrakeClub, specifically so that Club Members could
easily setup a urpmi source for MandrakeClub, for things like getting
the NVidia drivers.

Then, if XFdrake/harddrake/drakconnect supported trying to get
NVidia/winmodem etc RPMs from urpmi, it may be possible to support
proprietary hardware without the user ever touching the command line,
and if well advertised in the setup when proprietary hardware is
detected, boost Club memberships.

Of course for non-members, it should be easy enough to select the list
from plf.zarb.org.

Regards,
Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] urpmi.setup in main ?

2003-02-12 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 18:44, Buchan Milne a écrit :
 Olivier Thauvin wrote:
  What about puting this package on main instead contrib. It seems lot of
  poeple want or need it:

 I would agree, in fact I think it should be rolled into urpmi, and have
 an icon in Mandrake Control Center.

 Furthermore, I think it might be modified to be able to easily get a
 mirror list from MandrakeClub, specifically so that Club Members could
 easily setup a urpmi source for MandrakeClub, for things like getting
 the NVidia drivers.

My soft support all source you want, for all arch and all version.
http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon is a part of it.
I maintain personnaly the list of mirror, then adding club mirror is easy. But 
you have to find a way to protect club's rpm, maybe with http/ftp/rsync over 
ssh passwd ?

But think I won't bore poeple who use download edition or won't use club.

Actually, the list of mirror is generate by a php script dynamically. The 
internal list I maintain contain macros to make update easy.

Another way is to use my soft on club's web site, it can retrieve plf's list 
and add your own list.

It is open, as me.

NB: urpmi can use same url directly.

 Then, if XFdrake/harddrake/drakconnect supported trying to get
 NVidia/winmodem etc RPMs from urpmi, it may be possible to support
 proprietary hardware without the user ever touching the command line,
 and if well advertised in the setup when proprietary hardware is
 detected, boost Club memberships.

 Of course for non-members, it should be easy enough to select the list
 from plf.zarb.org.

 Regards,
 Buchan

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Re: [Cooker] urpmi.setup in main ?

2003-02-12 Thread Austin Acton
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 12:28, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
 What about puting this package on main instead contrib. It seems lot of poeple 
 want or need it:

It would help a LOT of new users out.
I can't tell you how often I get an email saying something like:

I was trying to install xxx, but it failed, so I got a bunch of old rpms
from other distros off rpmfind.net, and now nothing works.
I get this all the time.

The reasons are two:
- people don't know about urpmi or don't know how to use it
- people don't know where to find mandrake RPM repositories or how to
set them up

Since we are living in the Windows era, there is no use trying to tell
people to use man pages or read instruction manuals.  I'd say 80% of
what the average user can do with a computer, he learned from
experimenting with the GUI.

Since I feel that urpmi is Mandrake's least well know, least well
respected, and most underrated feature of the distro, we should try to
introduce as many people as possible to it.

I feel the best way to do this, is make a big fancy repository GUI for
morons, and put it in a very obvious location of the menu.  Makes people
happy, teaches them about using rpmdrake/urpmi with rpms built
specifically for Mandrake 9.1, gives them way more packages to install
in one click/command, and hopefully, they stay with the distro.

urpmi.setup could be one of the best features of 9.1.  Please consider
putting it in main and installing it by defualt.  Seriously.

Austin


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Re: [Cooker] urpmi.setup in main ?

2003-02-12 Thread Danny Tholen
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 18:34, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
 Olivier Thauvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  What about puting this package on main instead contrib. It seems lot of
  poeple want or need it:

 why is not done in rpmdrake ?

Do you mean 'why is it not done in rpmdrake'?
I think it would be a valuable addition to rpmdrake. Or at least to the 
software entry in drakconf. You keep getting people not even understanding 
that they can add mirrors as a source for rpmdrake (typing the exact url is 
apparently to hard). 

Alternatively, it would be good to be able to click on a webpage, resulting in 
rpmdrake being started, asking you if you want to add this resource for 
downloading software from (sort of urpmi://). It sounds a bit insecure, but 
I'm sure many users are already copying the urpmi.addmedia lines from the 
club or naradon without thinking or knowing what those commands do, so 
automating the whole process with proper warnings would be better.

d.





Re: [Cooker] urpmi.setup in main ?

2003-02-12 Thread Olivier Thauvin
Le Mercredi 12 Février 2003 21:28, Danny Tholen a écrit :
 On Wednesday 12 February 2003 18:34, Chmouel Boudjnah wrote:
  Olivier Thauvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   What about puting this package on main instead contrib. It seems lot of
   poeple want or need it:
 
  why is not done in rpmdrake ?

 Do you mean 'why is it not done in rpmdrake'?
 I think it would be a valuable addition to rpmdrake. Or at least to the
 software entry in drakconf. You keep getting people not even understanding
 that they can add mirrors as a source for rpmdrake (typing the exact url is
 apparently to hard).

I done this not only because it is hard to make the exact url (else it is), 
but because it is hard to find the good mirror especially for old distro (7.2 
to 8.2 at time).

You'll see it will be hard to install software on 9.0 when 9.1 will be 
released ! 


 Alternatively, it would be good to be able to click on a webpage, resulting
 in rpmdrake being started, asking you if you want to add this resource for
 downloading software from (sort of urpmi://). It sounds a bit insecure, but
 I'm sure many users are already copying the urpmi.addmedia lines from the
 club or naradon without thinking or knowing what those commands do, so
 automating the whole process with proper warnings would be better.

 d.

Easy urpmi web page and urpmi.setup use same list, in fact I manage source 
list, including macro, a php script take those source and show you the page, 
another build the list for urpmi.setup. Try to make 
lynx --source http://plf.zarb.org/~nanardon/mdkmirror.php |less

No, it is not insecure, since urpmi check rpm signature. I think it is less 
insecure to give url to user than user download RH, pld or Suse rpm and try 
to install it on mandrake. You can't deny to user to download a rpm with 
spyware from attractive site and make urpmi on it.

Who explain to windows user kazaa is dangerous ?

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