Re: [cooker] 4.0 final candidate -- UI issues
On 6/15/19 2:19 PM, Ben Bullard wrote: On 6/15/19 10:53 AM, Ben Bullard wrote: On 6/15/19 10:50 AM, Ben Bullard wrote: On 6/15/19 10:44 AM, Ben Bullard wrote: On 6/15/19 7:36 AM, rugyada wrote: 7. That can't be everything can it? Really? Devs and QA folks may want to meet in IRC chan some time today in the afternoon CEST to agree on GO for release. wdyt? Devs and QA folks may want to meet in IRC chan some time today in the > afternoon CEST to agree on GO for release. > wdyt? > I'm just now downloading the ISO's so that isn't enough time for me. The ISO's weren't finished building when I went to bed last night. You should stop watching the cooker category and make it silent, to avoid receiving messages twice. Not the point. If one has something they care a great deal about and want to get across to other people how things look matters. If you could make the Cooker read only forum render things like they do in text e-mails that would be awesome and would make sense and work for me. As far as transparency that is or should be a non issue. People can read the ML archives if they want to know what is going on. I've been doing exactly that for many years. So the forum category is just a lousy substitute for reading the ML archives and an unnecessary irritant. Or if it is really that important to decide this afternoon CEST then I can save myself some time and not do anymore testing... This is the kind of crap I'm talking about. I swear I sent my e-mail to this thread Re: [cooker] 4.0 final candidate -- UI issues. But in the forum it shows up in another thread. WTF is happening??? I'm really busy try to test and get ready for final release and don't have time for this. This is just horrible. -- Ben Bullard ben79 OpenMandriva-QA Team -- Cooker mailing-list https://www.openmandriva.org/lists
Re: [cooker] 4.0 final candidate -- UI issues
On 6/15/19 7:36 AM, rugyada wrote: 7. That can't be everything can it? Really? Devs and QA folks may want to meet in IRC chan some time today in the afternoon CEST to agree on GO for release. wdyt? Devs and QA folks may want to meet in IRC chan some time today in the > afternoon CEST to agree on GO for release. > wdyt? > I'm just now downloading the ISO's so that isn't enough time for me. The ISO's weren't finished building when I went to bed last night. -- Ben Bullard ben79 OpenMandriva-QA Team -- Cooker mailing-list https://www.openmandriva.org/lists
Re: [cooker] 4.0 final candidate -- UI issues
On 6/12/19 8:27 AM, Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote: Hi, just pretended to be a "stupid" user looking around the 4.0 image (in live mode so far), there's a few things I think we may want to change: * In the favorites on the left side of the K menu, there's a good chance people will have no idea what "Falkon" is - so they may go looking for a browser with little success. Maybe we should just change the desktop file to say "Name=Falkon Browser" or something similarly obvious? Or maybe patch the favorites bar to display the GenericName rather than the Name for the tooltip? * In the menu, we have Education > Math and Education > Science -- this is good, but they both contain the exact same things. That makes it a little weird... * Internet in the K menu is rather cluttered with things 99% of people will neither use nor understand and stuff most people will use only once. "Contact Print Theme Editor", "Contact Theme Editor", "KDE IM Log Viewer", "KMail Header Theme Editor", "KTnef", "lftp", "PIM Setting Exporter", "Sieve Editor" should probably all move to a submenu (maybe kget as well, given most people will use it indirectly?), and maybe KRDC and Krfb need a better description (again switch to GenericName?) * Konverstation is there and kvirc isn't, when most people I've talked to prefer kvirc - should we switch? * Office menu -> similar to Internet, too many not generally useful things like "Contact Print THeme Editor", "Contact Theme Editor", "KMail Header Theme Editor", "KTnef", "PIM Setting Exporter", "Sieve Editor" * Settings -> dnfdragora and dnfdragora-updater in Settings? Wouldn't they fit better in Utilities? * Lost & Found -- probably shouldn't be there unless people install stuff with bad desktop files -- the USB formatter that's there needs the desktop file fixed Any thoughts on this? Should I fix them, or do people have objections? ttyl bero -- Cooker mailing-list https://www.openmandriva.org/lists And it did not come out like I wanted. Cluck I give up. -- Ben Bullard ben79 OpenMandriva-QA Team -- Cooker mailing-list https://www.openmandriva.org/lists
Re: [cooker] 4.0 final candidate -- UI issues
> Second would be nice to mention about Falkon in announcement, oma- welcome > (maybe allow to install Firefox from oma-welcome). > Falkon browser is mentioned in announcement, and ff is in oma-welcome already -- Best regards, Cristina -- Cooker mailing-list https://www.openmandriva.org/lists
Re: [cooker] 4.0 final candidate -- UI issues
Here are my thoughts: * Falkon Falkon Browser is not clear about what it allows to browse. "Falkon Web Browser" sounds likes it says what it browses. Second would be nice to mention about Falkon in announcement, oma- welcome (maybe allow to install Firefox from oma-welcome). * Menu scheme is from 2010 and since that date nobody reviewed it either it fits current XDG standards or not. I'd suggest to recreate menu schema from scratch. * IRC client Personally I prefer konversation. Question is WHO is using IRC these days? Do you know how many people who was born at the year when IRC was available for the first time, know what it is and will tend to use it, or even have preferences on IRC client?
Re: [cooker] 4.0 final candidate -- UI issues
Agree on Falkon. If I am to be honest, I liked the previous menu more than the current one (I mean this layout with the option more). It was more readable to me. Especially when I have many additional applications installed. Kvirc vs Konversation? It does not matter to me. Do as you think. btw. we have also quasell and quaternion (matrix client) However, with MPV I would leave as it is. Although it is mainly a engine, it also works well as a standalone app. Some may prefer it. Light and only with basic options. with the other things I agree. śr., 12 cze 2019 o 15:57 rugyada napisał(a): > Il giorno mer 12 giu 2019 alle ore 15:22 Bernhard Rosenkraenzer > ha scritto: > > > > Hi, > > just pretended to be a "stupid" user looking around the 4.0 image (in > live mode so far), there's a few things I think we may want to change: > > * In the favorites on the left side of the K menu, there's a good chance > people will have no idea what "Falkon" is - so they may go looking for a > browser with little success. Maybe we should just change the desktop file > to say "Name=Falkon Browser" or something similarly obvious? > > Agreed on "Falkon Browser" > > > * In the menu, we have Education > Math and Education > Science -- this > is good, but they both contain the exact same things. That makes it a > little weird... > > * Internet in the K menu is rather cluttered with things 99% of people > will neither use nor understand and stuff most people will use only once. > "Contact Print Theme Editor", "Contact Theme Editor", "KDE IM Log Viewer", > "KMail Header Theme Editor", "KTnef", "lftp", "PIM Setting Exporter", > "Sieve Editor" should probably all move to a submenu (maybe kget as well, > given most people will use it indirectly?), and maybe KRDC and Krfb need a > better description > > +1 > > > (again switch to GenericName?) > > * Konverstation is there and kvirc isn't, when most people I've talked > to prefer kvirc - should we switch? > > From a "stupid" user POV, I prefer konversation. > Maybe the most people you talked with prefer kvirc because you are > talking mostly with other developers, who are known to prefer kvirc > afaik :D > > > > * Office menu -> similar to Internet, too many not generally useful > things like "Contact Print THeme Editor", "Contact Theme Editor", "KMail > Header Theme Editor", "KTnef", "PIM Setting Exporter", "Sieve Editor" > > +1 > > > * Settings -> dnfdragora and dnfdragora-updater in Settings? Wouldn't > they fit better in Utilities? > > +1 > > > * Lost & Found -- probably shouldn't be there unless people install > stuff with bad desktop files -- the USB formatter that's there needs the > desktop file fixed > > > > Lost and Found does not appear anymore when I locally fix the USB > formatter .desktop file. It's the only one needing fix so far. > > > Should we set the mpv menu entry to hidden? > > IMO yes. > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Cristina > -- > Cooker mailing-list > https://www.openmandriva.org/lists > > >
Re: [cooker] 4.0 final candidate -- UI issues
Another potential UI issue: Does it make sense to have mpv in the K menu (Multimedia)? We currently do, but I'd think people who want to start it through the menu are better off starting it through smplayer (far more powerful UI). Should we set the mpv menu entry to hidden? ttyl bero -- Cooker mailing-list https://www.openmandriva.org/lists
