Re: [COOT] Dragged refinement fails with riding hydrogens

2015-06-01 Thread Schubert, Carsten [JRDUS]
Carsten > > -Original Message- > From: Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic Software > [mailto:COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Tim Gruene > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:16 PM > To: COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [COOT] Dragged refinement fails wi

Re: [COOT] Dragged refinement fails with riding hydrogens

2015-05-28 Thread Paul Emsley
On 27/05/15 16:16, Oliver Clarke wrote: Hi all, dragged refinement doesn't seem to work for structures with riding hydrogens - see linked screen recording showing dragged refinement of the same structure with and without hydrogens. https://www.dropbox.com/s/15xs8ylhrx98ljk/dragged_refinement_H

Re: [COOT] Dragged refinement fails with riding hydrogens

2015-05-28 Thread Bernhard Lohkamp
Hi Oliver, have you really dragged the methyl carbon far enough? I realised that it can be difficult to flip these with the hydrogens on (since these are "holding" it back). However, if you drag enough (maybe zoom out) it should work. In general it may be easier to drag one of the hydrogen (t

Re: [COOT] Dragged refinement fails with riding hydrogens

2015-05-27 Thread Tim Gruene
nal Message- > From: Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic Software > [mailto:COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Tim Gruene > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:16 PM > To: COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: Re: [COOT] Dragged refinement fails with riding hydrogens > >

Re: [COOT] Dragged refinement fails with riding hydrogens

2015-05-27 Thread Sheriff, Steven
, Carsten -Original Message- From: Mailing list for users of COOT Crystallographic Software [mailto:COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Tim Gruene Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:16 PM To: COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [COOT] Dragged refinement fails with riding hydrogens Hi Oliver, unless

Re: [COOT] Dragged refinement fails with riding hydrogens

2015-05-27 Thread Schubert, Carsten [JRDUS]
[mailto:COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Tim Gruene Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:16 PM To: COOT@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [COOT] Dragged refinement fails with riding hydrogens Hi Oliver, unless these are neutron data, you could simply remove the hydrogen atoms from the model before model

Re: [COOT] Dragged refinement fails with riding hydrogens

2015-05-27 Thread Tim Gruene
Hi Oliver, unless these are neutron data, you could simply remove the hydrogen atoms from the model before model building. They would be regenerated on the next round of refinement. At least this is the philosophy of some refinement programs. Cheers, Tim On Wed, May 27, 2015 at 04:16:38PM +0100