Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 23.03.2014 04:10, Peter Stuge wrote: That isn't too different from creating a fork? Fork is better. With fork we don't have to deal with the same people who pushed the community out in the first place. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- coreboot mailing list:

Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread mrnuke
On Sunday, March 23, 2014 07:34:32 AM Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: On 23.03.2014 04:10, Peter Stuge wrote: That isn't too different from creating a fork? Fork is better. With fork we don't have to deal with the same people who pushed the community out in the first place.

Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread David Hubbard
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Peter Stuge pe...@stuge.se wrote: Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko wrote: The proposition of gatekeepers would essentially kill community effort. That might not be a bad thing. Unfortunately, considering how the hardware industry works, individual

Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread Stefan Tauner
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 03:56:35 -0600 David Hubbard david.c.hubbard+coreb...@gmail.com wrote: Stefan appears to be missing in action. No, well, he has stated that he want to wait till everybody has calmed down (on IRC). It looks to me that he may have to wait indefinitely though, and I would also

Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread Peter Stuge
David Hubbard wrote: Unfortunately, considering how the hardware industry works, individual contributors in the community can't work on code for current hardware. Peter, you make good points. As a purely community contributor I'd be happy to sign any necessary NDAs to contribute on Google

Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread Alex G.
David, When you go out of line with a private email, expect to find yourself on a public list. Alex On 03/23/2014 05:04 AM, David Hubbard wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 1:26 AM, mrnuke mr.nuke...@gmail.com mailto:mr.nuke...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, March 23, 2014 07:34:32 AM

Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread Gregg Levine
Hello! Please don't next time. Its considered to be rather rude, especially if the sender asked you to keep it off the list. I don't pretend to know what David H, was thinking, but I surmise he was indeed thinking of that. - Gregg C Levine gregg.drw...@gmail.com This signature fought the Time

Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko phco...@gmail.com wrote: On 23.03.2014 04:10, Peter Stuge wrote: That isn't too different from creating a fork? Fork is better. With fork we don't have to deal with the same people who pushed the community out in the first

Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread mrnuke
On Sunday, March 23, 2014 05:37:37 PM Peter Stuge wrote: David Hubbard wrote: But Peter, what's your take on Alex's suggestion: What do we need to do to allow commercial contributors to work directly upstream? And before you discount this question for menial technical reasons, please take

Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 23.03.2014 19:24, ron minnich wrote: So I believe the problem is not the idea of gatekeepers, but the manner in which they are proposed to work. Can you tell me what about this upsets you? I want to understand. The problem is that the proposal is that all commits go through gatekeepers. It's

Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko
On 23.03.2014 19:24, ron minnich wrote: I have friends who commit to grub2, and there seem to be gatekeepers there; how do you manage that process? In case of grub2 I admit we have exactly the problems I described. I'm open to having more maintainers but right now it doesn't seem to be feasible.

Re: [coreboot] Changes to the coreboot Project Structure

2014-03-23 Thread David Hubbard
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko phco...@gmail.com wrote: On 23.03.2014 19:24, ron minnich wrote: So I believe the problem is not the idea of gatekeepers, but the manner in which they are proposed to work. Can you tell me what about this upsets you?