Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-26 Thread Martin Kepplinger 
On 2017-09-23 17:52, Peter Stuge wrote:
> Martin Kepplinger wrote:
>> It's lying here as a brick.
> 
> Where is "here" ? What city?
> 

Linz, Austria

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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-23 Thread Peter Stuge 
Martin Kepplinger wrote:
> It's lying here as a brick.

Where is "here" ? What city?


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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-21 Thread Martin Kepplinger 

Am 20.09.2017 19:32 schrieb Alexander Couzens:

Hi Martin,

I would like to take a look on your brick. Do you come to the meeting?



No I don't come to meeting. It's disassembled right now. I plan to 
assemble it and
run the official Lenovo Live CD. If that doesn't help, I'd send it to 
you, but it really
can take a while, maybe weeks. If you're still interested, I'll remember 
to notify you.


thanks though,

  martin

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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-20 Thread Alexander Couzens 
Hi Martin,

I would like to take a look on your brick. Do you come to the meeting?

Best,
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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-19 Thread Martin Kepplinger 

Am 19.09.2017 22:41 schrieb taii...@gmx.com:

On 09/19/2017 01:20 PM, Martin Kepplinger wrote:

What I want to add is:

* This was a git checkout in June this year.

* I flashed a coreboot image (I can't remember what config) fine, and
used the laptop while everything (shutdown, suspend, reboot) worked.
Maybe the config is irrelevant, whatever.

* the machine didn't die "right after" or "during" flashrom-flashing. 
It

ran fine for a while. I can't remember if it suspended to and resumed
from RAM too, or even shutdown or reboot worked. IIRC after shutting
down it died. I guess the first shutdown after flashing, but I'm 
really

not sure at all.

* I had upgraded the EC and BIOS to the latest Lenovo version before
starting with coreboot.

To be clear did you use a clip flash or did you flash a running 
machine?


I always do a clip flash on my first flash of every board, I can't
understand why someone wouldn't given you need to for a me_clean and
it is dangerous to do a flash without rescue equipment - although your
issue is much different and way scarier D: D: D:


The first (few) coreboot flash was a clip flash. I flashed from a 
running system

too, using flashrom, before the laptop died.



Have you tried updating the EC externally or swapping the chip/FRU
board that contains it? I can't believe it is truly dead and I imagine
it is EC related.


Nope. I didn't solder anything nor bought any replacement. Now when I 
think
about it, what I didn't try is to run the Lenovo BIOS upgrade from their 
live CD...


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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-19 Thread Persmule 
It is, and it could be used to program wson-8 chip on board. 

I have heard that some x230 do come with wson-8 chips.

Martin Kepplinger 于 2017 年 9 月 20 日 星期三 写道:
> On 2017-09-18 05:47, Persmule wrote:
> > 在 2017年09月18日 10:45, diffusae via coreboot 写道:
> >> On 18.09.2017 04:35, Alexander Couzens wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:17:56 +
> >>> Persmule  wrote:
> >>>
>  Why solder is needed? X230 is in-system
>   programmable with even a ch341a. 
> >>> Some boards come with a WSON8 spi flash. Or is there another way to
> >>> do in-system-programmable without an SPI clip?
> >> I guess, that you always need a SOIC-8 clip for the first time.
> >> Unless you have a modified vendor UEFI.
> >>
> >>
> >> .
> >>
> > No. Using a pomona 5250 clip to program a wson-8 chip on board is
> > possible, according to
> > https://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/t430s#Preparation .
> > 
> > 
> 
> Isn't a pomona 5250 clip a "SOIC-8 clip" Alexander was mentioning? :)
> Anyways, I flashed an X230 using a pomona clip without any problem.
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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-19 Thread taii...@gmx.com 

On 09/19/2017 01:20 PM, Martin Kepplinger wrote:

What I want to add is:

* This was a git checkout in June this year.

* I flashed a coreboot image (I can't remember what config) fine, and
used the laptop while everything (shutdown, suspend, reboot) worked.
Maybe the config is irrelevant, whatever.

* the machine didn't die "right after" or "during" flashrom-flashing. It
ran fine for a while. I can't remember if it suspended to and resumed
from RAM too, or even shutdown or reboot worked. IIRC after shutting
down it died. I guess the first shutdown after flashing, but I'm really
not sure at all.

* I had upgraded the EC and BIOS to the latest Lenovo version before
starting with coreboot.


To be clear did you use a clip flash or did you flash a running machine?

I always do a clip flash on my first flash of every board, I can't 
understand why someone wouldn't given you need to for a me_clean and it 
is dangerous to do a flash without rescue equipment - although your 
issue is much different and way scarier D: D: D:


Have you tried updating the EC externally or swapping the chip/FRU board 
that contains it? I can't believe it is truly dead and I imagine it is 
EC related.


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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-19 Thread Martin Kepplinger 
On 2017-09-19 19:10, Martin Kepplinger wrote:
> On 2017-09-18 04:02, Alexander Couzens wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> the x230 is quite good working,
>> ... but recently some boards died (I know from 2 boards over the last
>> years). I'm still not sure why they died, but rumors that the EC
>> firmware ran into a bug when doing In-Circuit flashing.
>>
>> I've an x230 myself and never managed to trigger that bug. I would
>> recommend you to update the EC to the newest firmware. The EC firmware
>> is updated together with the bios, so updating the vendor bios/uefi is
>> enough.
>>
>> We can also desolder your spi chip, programm it and put it back. But
>> that's also a way I wouldn't recommend doing to often.
>>
>> Best,
>> lynxis
>>
>>
>>
> 
> Oh, finally I hear about this. I triggered this bug. The machine totally
> died. Nothing, at least nothing like flashing the original bios or
> flashing whatever, could bring it back. It's lying here as a brick. I
> *did* flash using flashrom online while running Debian.
> 
> I plan to get another X230 one day soon, but will only flash offline,
> using my pomona clip :(
> 
> Would be good to have the wiki updated and possibly a bug filed I guess...

What I want to add is:

* This was a git checkout in June this year.

* I flashed a coreboot image (I can't remember what config) fine, and
used the laptop while everything (shutdown, suspend, reboot) worked.
Maybe the config is irrelevant, whatever.

* the machine didn't die "right after" or "during" flashrom-flashing. It
ran fine for a while. I can't remember if it suspended to and resumed
from RAM too, or even shutdown or reboot worked. IIRC after shutting
down it died. I guess the first shutdown after flashing, but I'm really
not sure at all.

* I had upgraded the EC and BIOS to the latest Lenovo version before
starting with coreboot.

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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-19 Thread Martin Kepplinger 
On 2017-09-18 05:47, Persmule wrote:
> 在 2017年09月18日 10:45, diffusae via coreboot 写道:
>> On 18.09.2017 04:35, Alexander Couzens wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:17:56 +
>>> Persmule  wrote:
>>>
 Why solder is needed? X230 is in-system
  programmable with even a ch341a. 
>>> Some boards come with a WSON8 spi flash. Or is there another way to
>>> do in-system-programmable without an SPI clip?
>> I guess, that you always need a SOIC-8 clip for the first time.
>> Unless you have a modified vendor UEFI.
>>
>>
>> .
>>
> No. Using a pomona 5250 clip to program a wson-8 chip on board is
> possible, according to
> https://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/t430s#Preparation .
> 
> 

Isn't a pomona 5250 clip a "SOIC-8 clip" Alexander was mentioning? :)
Anyways, I flashed an X230 using a pomona clip without any problem.

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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-19 Thread Martin Kepplinger 
On 2017-09-18 04:02, Alexander Couzens wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> the x230 is quite good working,
> ... but recently some boards died (I know from 2 boards over the last
> years). I'm still not sure why they died, but rumors that the EC
> firmware ran into a bug when doing In-Circuit flashing.
> 
> I've an x230 myself and never managed to trigger that bug. I would
> recommend you to update the EC to the newest firmware. The EC firmware
> is updated together with the bios, so updating the vendor bios/uefi is
> enough.
> 
> We can also desolder your spi chip, programm it and put it back. But
> that's also a way I wouldn't recommend doing to often.
> 
> Best,
> lynxis
> 
> 
> 

Oh, finally I hear about this. I triggered this bug. The machine totally
died. Nothing, at least nothing like flashing the original bios or
flashing whatever, could bring it back. It's lying here as a brick. I
*did* flash using flashrom online while running Debian.

I plan to get another X230 one day soon, but will only flash offline,
using my pomona clip :(

Would be good to have the wiki updated and possibly a bug filed I guess...

thanks

 martin


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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-18 Thread Alexander Couzens 
> No. Using a pomona 5250 clip to program a wson-8 chip on board is
> possible, according to
> https://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/t430s#Preparation .
> 
> I have used this method to program my t430s.
I never tried it. Thanks for the tip!


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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-17 Thread Persmule 
在 2017年09月18日 10:45, diffusae via coreboot 写道:
> On 18.09.2017 04:35, Alexander Couzens wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:17:56 +
>> Persmule  wrote:
>>
>>> Why solder is needed? X230 is in-system
>>>  programmable with even a ch341a. 
>> Some boards come with a WSON8 spi flash. Or is there another way to
>> do in-system-programmable without an SPI clip?
> I guess, that you always need a SOIC-8 clip for the first time.
> Unless you have a modified vendor UEFI.
>
>
> .
>
No. Using a pomona 5250 clip to program a wson-8 chip on board is
possible, according to
https://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/t430s#Preparation .

I have used this method to program my t430s.


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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-17 Thread Persmule 
在 2017年09月18日 10:45, diffusae via coreboot 写道:
> On 18.09.2017 04:35, Alexander Couzens wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:17:56 +
>> Persmule  wrote:
>>
>>> Why solder is needed? X230 is in-system
>>>  programmable with even a ch341a. 
>> Some boards come with a WSON8 spi flash. Or is there another way to
>> do in-system-programmable without an SPI clip?
> I guess, that you always need a SOIC-8 clip for the first time.
> Unless you have a modified vendor UEFI.
>
>
> .
>
No. Using a pomona 5250 clip to program a wson-8 chip on board is
possible, according to
https://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/t430s#Preparation .


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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-17 Thread diffusae via coreboot 
On 18.09.2017 04:35, Alexander Couzens wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:17:56 +
> Persmule  wrote:
> 
>> Why solder is needed? X230 is in-system
>>  programmable with even a ch341a. 
> 
> Some boards come with a WSON8 spi flash. Or is there another way to
> do in-system-programmable without an SPI clip?

I guess, that you always need a SOIC-8 clip for the first time.
Unless you have a modified vendor UEFI.


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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-17 Thread Alexander Couzens 
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 02:17:56 +
Persmule  wrote:

> Why solder is needed? X230 is in-system
>  programmable with even a ch341a. 

Some boards come with a WSON8 spi flash. Or is there another way to
do in-system-programmable without an SPI clip?


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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-17 Thread Persmule 
Why solder is needed? X230 is in-system
 programmable with even a ch341a. 

Alexander Couzens 于 2017 年 9 月 18 日 星期一 写道:
> 
> We can also desolder your spi chip, programm it and put it back. But
> that's also a way I wouldn't recommend doing to often.
> 
> Best,
> lynxis
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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-17 Thread Alexander Couzens 
Hi,

the x230 is quite good working,
... but recently some boards died (I know from 2 boards over the last
years). I'm still not sure why they died, but rumors that the EC
firmware ran into a bug when doing In-Circuit flashing.

I've an x230 myself and never managed to trigger that bug. I would
recommend you to update the EC to the newest firmware. The EC firmware
is updated together with the bios, so updating the vendor bios/uefi is
enough.

We can also desolder your spi chip, programm it and put it back. But
that's also a way I wouldn't recommend doing to often.

Best,
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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-17 Thread taii...@gmx.com 

On 09/17/2017 03:14 PM, taii...@gmx.com wrote:


On 09/17/2017 04:39 AM, One7two99 via coreboot wrote:

If possible I'd like to, but in a less agressive way (afraid to 
remove the Bios-Chip physically).
I also would like to setup Coreboot with vga-blob/SeaBios which seems 
to be a bit more complicated.


If needed I can figure out the Type of BiosChip in advance.

Kind regards

- O7
The X230 doesn't need a VGA blob and you don't remove the SOIC-8 chip 
you simply attach a clip to it

There is pretty much nothing that can go wrong hardware wise :D

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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-17 Thread taii...@gmx.com 

On 09/17/2017 04:39 AM, One7two99 via coreboot wrote:


If possible I'd like to, but in a less agressive way (afraid to remove the 
Bios-Chip physically).
I also would like to setup Coreboot with vga-blob/SeaBios which seems to be a 
bit more complicated.

If needed I can figure out the Type of BiosChip in advance.

Kind regards

- O7
The X230 doesn't need a VGA blob and you don't remove the SOIC-8 chip 
you simply attach a clip to it.



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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-17 Thread One7two99 via coreboot 
Hello Alexander,

 Original-Nachricht  An 17. Sep. 2017, 02:39, Alexander Couzens 
schrieb:

> Next meeting is coming.
> 21.09.2017 18:30 (open end) AfRA
> (different location!)

Thank you for the reply.
Great news - I'm happy to join as a Coreboot-newbie.

>> PS: If you want to flash your laptop, send me a notice in advance.

If possible I'd like to, but in a less agressive way (afraid to remove the 
Bios-Chip physically).
I also would like to setup Coreboot with vga-blob/SeaBios which seems to be a 
bit more complicated.

If needed I can figure out the Type of BiosChip in advance.

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Re: [coreboot] Berlin Meeting 21. Sep Thursday @afra_berlin

2017-09-16 Thread Alexander Couzens 
Next meeting is coming.

> tldr;
21.09.2017 18:30 (open end) AfRA (different location!)

Hi,
 
the Berlin coreboot Meeting in September will taken
place on 21.09.2017 in the rooms of the Department Of Redundancy
Department (AfRA).

Abteilung für Redundanz Abteilung
Margaretenstraße 30
10317 Berlin
 
https://afra-berlin.de/

best,
lynxis

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