Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Church of Donaghmore Recored Extract

2019-05-19 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Patrick,

Jim has forwarded your request hoping that I may be of some assistance:

St. Patrick’s RC Church is situated in the village of Donaghmore on the 
Mullaghmore Road; the parish’s website is 
https://www.donaghmoreparish.ie/

I do not have names of contacts, but I would address any queries you have to 
the Parish Secretary. You are indeed fortunate to locate the records of your 
emigrant family. Hope this is useful,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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From: hudsonkellys 
Date: Sun, May 19, 2019 at 3:33 PM
Subject: Church of Donaghmore Recored Extract
To: 


Jim,

Hello from Wisconsin.

I've discovered the Church of Donaghmore Record extracts 1742-1825.
https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/donaghmore-extracts.html 

My ancestor Jonathon Kelly, born Feb 28th, 1797 is listed.

Can you tell me the address of this church or a contact in Donaghmore 
that could help me out?

Thanks,
Patrick Kelly

Jonathon came to Canada and his son Thomas came to the states.

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] William Murray of Donagheady/Leckpatrickparishes

2019-05-12 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Peter,

It seems that there have not been any responses to your post, so shall offer 
the little knowledge that I am aware of.
Have you access to William Roulston’s “Three Centuries of Life in a Tyrone 
Parish: A History of Donagheady from 1600 to 1900”? This brilliant 400 page 
work contains a great amount of information re. parish families in the 
seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, including the Murrays with references to 
the Registry of Deeds, Dublin. I am unable to lay my hands on my copy, but it 
is available as an ebook 
https://cotyroneireland.com/estore/index.php?detailrecid=15 The link also 
contains an 8 page surname list.

Hope this is helpful,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: Peter Kincaid via CoTyroneList
Sent: Friday, 3 May 2019 6:40 AM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Peter Kincaid
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] William Murray of Donagheady/Leckpatrickparishes

I am hoping to find more about the ancestry of William Murray who married Ann 
Leslie, daughter of John Leslie of Tirkernaghan, Donagheady parish and 
Katherine McCausland.  She was baptized 4 Nov 1714.  He got Coolermoney and 
Stoneypath, Leckpatrick parish and Stragullin, Camus parish as a marriage 
portion.  Their son William Murray became William Murray of Silver Brook, 
Tirkernaghan, Donagheady Parish.  William and Ann Murray seemed to reside 
elsewhere as I see him referred to as William Murray of Dublin in a number of 
cases and William Murray of Little Rath, Westmeath in a couple of other cases.  
Does anyone know more about him?

I am wondering if he is of the Murrays of Caw House, Londonderry.  The famous 
Colonel Adam Murray of the Londonderry siege fame had a son James Murray who 
married Anne, daughter of Thomas Patterson, Provost of Strabane.  James is said 
to have had two sons of which his eldest, Adam Murray, became of Bloom Hill, 
County Tyrone by right of his wife.  Could William Murray have been the other 
son of James Murray and Anne Patterson?

Best wishes!

Peter


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hammond (or Haman) & Nancy GRAHAM

2019-04-28 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Lindsay,
Perhaps the following CARNWATH data may assist your research; apologies for the 
delay with a response; it has taken a little while to search out the references 
and compile it into something legible.

DONAGHEADY RULING ELDERS AND COMMISSIONERS 1620-1700
ANDREW CARNWATH

Leckpatrick Parish Hearth Money Roll c1670
BALLIM’GORRY (BALLYMAGORRY): ANDREW CARNWATH 1 hearth

Leckpatrick Parish Spinning Wheel Bounty List 1796
PATRICK CORNWATH 4 wheels

Leckpatrick Parish Tithe Applotment Book 1827
JAMES CARNWAITH Townland: Stonypath
THOMAS CARNWATH Townland: Stonypath

Griffiths Valuation Leckpatrick Parish 1858
Surname
Given Name
Townland
Parish
CARNWATH
Andrew
Artigarvan
Leckpatrick
CARNWATH
James
Coolermoney
Leckpatrick
CARNWATH
James
Stonypath
Leckpatrick
CARNWATH
John
Milltown
Leckpatrick
CARNWATH
Robin
Milltown
Leckpatrick
CARNWATH
Sarah
Loughneas
Leckpatrick
CARNWATH
Thomas
Stonypath
Leckpatrick
Leckpatrick Parish Church, St. Patrick’s Church of Ireland: Marriages
October 20 1847
CHARLES CARNWATH was witness to the wedding of ROBERT GRAHAM of Artigarvan and 
ANN DOHERTY
February 22 1858
JOSEPH CARNWATH was witness to the wedding of ALEXANDER GORDON of Stonypath and 
ELIZA JAMIESON

Leckpatrick Presbyterian Church, Artigarvan: Marriages
June 28 1865
WILLIAM KERRIGAN full age widower farmer Windyhill. Father: JAMES CARGIN farmer
&
JANE CARNWATH full age spinster Stoneypath. Father: JAMES CARNWATH farmer
Witnesses: JOSEPH CARNWATH & JOHN ROLSTON
March 16 1905
CHARLES CARNWATH full age bachelor labourer Artigarvan. Father: Unknown
&
ELLEN PORTER full age Artigarvan. Father: ROBERT PORTER labourer
Witnesses: LIZZIE AUSTIN & JAMES KILGORE
July 18 1912
ROBERT CARNWATH full age bachelor mechanic Glasgow. Father: JOHN CARNWATH 
labourer
&
ISABELLA MCNEILL full age spinster Milltown. Father: THOMAS MCNEILL scutcher
Witnesses: JOHN MCNEILL & LIZZIE MCNEILL

1st Donagheady Presbyterian Church: Marriages
May 1 1846
WILLIAM HUNTER full age bachelor shoemaker Killycurry. Father: ROBERT HUNTER 
farmer
&
ELIZABETH CARNWATH full age spinster Stonypath. Father: JAMES CARNWATH farmer
Witnesses: CHARLES CARNWATH & JOSEPH GORDON

2nd Donagheady Presbyterian Church World War 1 Memorial
THOMAS CARNWATH R.A.M.C.

Leckpatrick Presbyterian Church: Stipend Payers and Pew Holders 1863
CORNWATH
JOHN
No contribution
CORNWATH
JOSEPH
One pound
CORNWATH
ROBERT
Six shillings
Londonderry Sentinel
May 18 1866
CARNWATH-PORTERFIELD. In the Presbyterian Church, Urney, by the Rev. John 
McConaghy, A.M., MR. JOSEPH CARNWATH, Leckpatrick, to MARY, eldest daughter of 
MR. JOSEPH PORTERFIELD, Gortlogher
According to an old map Leckpatrick Old Burial Ground, Artigarvan surveyed in 
the 1870s there are two burial places for Carnwaths of Stonypath (not to be 
confused with the graveyard attached to Leckpatrick Presbyterian Church) and 
one headstone for the family of Collermoney: names recorded are MARY (1879) 
infant son WILLIAM (1870) infant dau MARY (1872) son JOSEPH WRAY (1880) dau 
ANNIE MARY (1897) ELIZABETH JANE (1905) JOHN (husband to the above 1957) SARAH 
(1960) This is a very old graveyard dating from pre-Reformation times and would 
contain many generations of Carnwaths.
Prior to 1834 (the year of the erection of Leckpatrick as a new congregation) 
Presbyterian families would have worshipped in the churches at Donagheady 
(First and Second) or Strabane (First and Second), hence the various churches 
with useful records.
The majority of the above references were extracted from submissions to CTI 
https://cotyroneireland.com/ by Faye Logue and yours truly. We have been 
researching and submitting data and files re. Leckpatrick and Donagheady 
families for in excess of thirty years.
Regarding the Grahams, I recall sending you information previously re. the 
Sigerson family who operated a spade foundry in Artigarvan where Robert 
Carnwath (occupation foundryman) the bride’s father, found employment. Also, to 
ascertain the origins of the Graham family it will be necessary to search for 
the enlistment papers for Haman Graham in the records of the 35th Regiment.
Hope the above is useful for your impending visit to beautiful North Tyrone and 
regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: Lindsay Graham via CoTyroneList
Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2019 9:44 PM
To: County Tyrone List
Cc: Lindsay Graham
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hammond (or Haman) & Nancy GRAHAM

I'm keen to find out more about my gg grandparents and any other descendants, 
especially as I'll be visiting County Tyrone later this year.

My g grandparents, William GRAHAM and Sarah CARNWATH were married on 15 Feb 
1855 in the Presbyterian Church, Artigarvan, Parish of Leckpatrick (near 
Strabane) and migrated to Australia a few months later.  They were married by 
Rev. Moses CHAMBERS and the witnesses were James SIGERSON and John CUNNINGHAM.

William's parents were Haman (or Hammond?) GRAHAM [Pay Master Sergeant, 35th 
Regiment, 

[CoTyroneMailingList] Croziers!

2019-04-27 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Steve,
I shall answer your off-list message through the List in the hope that my 
response may be of a little interest to others.
Re. my file of Crozier notes submitted to CTI 
https://cotyroneireland.com/surnames/crozier.html this was compiled from 
personal announcements extracted from a number of newspapers (Dublin, Belfast 
and Londonderry) and there are no others prior to 1841. Prior to the mid-1830s, 
personal notices seem to have been inserted at the behest of the editor as of 
general interest to the readership and paid/ general insertions commence from 
about that time.
I am sorry for your disappointment.

There are nine townlands known as Mullaghmore in Co. Tyrone: the Mullaghmore of 
your forebear is actually in Aghalurcher parish, not Clogher. Have you referred 
to my file of the index to the 1833 Aghalurcher tithe applotment book 
https://cotyroneireland.com/tithe/aghalurcher.html for Crosier (sic) and Greer 
entries?

A list of surviving Aghalurcher church registers is available online at 
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records they are 
available for viewing at PRONI, Belfast or may remain at the local church.

Trust this is useful,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Steve Gordenier 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 7:01:38 AM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com
Subject: Croziers!

Hello Len:

I see that you recently posted family notes on the Crozier family of Fermanagh 
and Tyrone.  My randmother Lucinda Crozier left Ireland in 1834 after her 
husband Martin Greer Sr. died in 1833.  My GGGrandfather, Robert Lendrum Greer, 
was born in Mullaghmore, Clogher, Tyrone in 1827.  Lucinda was born in Ireland 
Oct. 15 1788 and died Feb. 4, 1870 in Rushville, Schuyler County, Illinois, 
USA, Feb. 4 1870.  But I know nothing about her parents or siblings.  So I was 
disappointed to see that your Crozier information started in 1841.  Any chance 
that you know where I could possibly find that info (without journeying to 
PRONI)?

I know that’s a long shot.  Thanks for posting this great piece of information 
and all the other stuff you’ve put up.

Steve Gordenier
Portland, Oregon


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[CoTyroneMailingList] Croziers

2019-04-27 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Steve,
I shall answer your off-list message through the List in the hope that my 
response may be of a little interest to others.
Re. my file of Crozier notes submitted to CTI 
https://cotyroneireland.com/surnames/crozier.html this was compiled from 
personal announcements extracted from a number of newspapers (Dublin, Belfast 
and Londonderry) and there are no others prior to 1841. Prior to the mid-1830s, 
personal notices seem to have been inserted at the behest of the editor as of 
general interest to the readership and paid/ general insertions commence from 
about that time.
I am sorry for your disappointment.

There are nine townlands known as Mullaghmore in Co. Tyrone: the Mullaghmore of 
your forebear is actually in Aghalurcher parish, not Clogher. Have you referred 
to my file of the index to the 1833 Aghalurcher tithe applotment book 
https://cotyroneireland.com/tithe/aghalurcher.html for Crosier (sic) and Greer 
entries?

A list of surviving Aghalurcher church registers is available online at 
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records they are 
available for viewing at PRONI, Belfast or may remain at the local church.

Trust this is useful,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Steve Gordenier 
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 7:01:38 AM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com
Subject: Croziers! 
 
Hello Len:

I see that you recently posted family notes on the Crozier family of Fermanagh 
and Tyrone.  My randmother Lucinda Crozier left Ireland in 1834 after her 
husband Martin Greer Sr. died in 1833.  My GGGrandfather, Robert Lendrum Greer, 
was born in Mullaghmore, Clogher, Tyrone in 1827.  Lucinda was born in Ireland 
Oct. 15 1788 and died Feb. 4, 1870 in Rushville, Schuyler County, Illinois, 
USA, Feb. 4 1870.  But I know nothing about her parents or siblings.  So I was 
disappointed to see that your Crozier information started in 1841.  Any chance 
that you know where I could possibly find that info (without journeying to 
PRONI)?

I know that’s a long shot.  Thanks for posting this great piece of information 
and all the other stuff you’ve put up.

Steve Gordenier
Portland, Oregon


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Sarah Duffin, 1839

2019-04-07 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Peggy,
Have looked at the entry for the 1839 baptismal entry for Saram Annam Duffin 
and can confirm that the name of the mother is absent – just not recorded; pure 
and simple. It will be necessary to browse the register further in the hope 
that further siblings of Sarah can be found where her mother’s name is 
recorded. Have you searched the marriage register for Patrick’s marriage?
Good luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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From: Peggy Gordon
Sent: Sunday, 7 April 2019 3:42 PM
To: Len Swindley; CoTyroneIreland. com Mailing List
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Sarah Duffin, 1839

When I find what I suspect is the correct baptism, I see the father as Patrick 
Duffin but the mother’s name is almost totally faded out and is unreadable. 
Witnesses appear to be Patrick Mulvany and Maria Muldoon of Kilsally. Would 
there be a better copy anywhere or do you have any suggestions about what I 
could do? It is important to me to find out her mothers name. Thanks for any 
help.
Peggy


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On Saturday, April 6, 2019, 8:53 PM, Len Swindley 
 wrote:
Hello Peggy,
 
The Donaghenry, Co. Tyrone R.C. registers have been filmed and are available 
for viewing online via the National Library of Ireland’s website. The baptismal 
register states the maiden surname of mothers
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0187
 
Hope this is useful,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
 
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From: Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList
Sent: Sunday, 7 April 2019 10:59 AM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Peggy Gordon
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Sarah Duffin, 1839
 
I believe that Sarah Duffin was either born or baptised on Jan 28, 1839, in 
Kilsally, 
probably baptised at Donaghenry Catholic Church, to Patrick Duffin, mother 
unknown,
 I would like to know her mother's name. Sarah married William Quinn Jul 3, 
1889 in the Roman Catholic Chapel, Stewartstown, Union of Cookstown. Does 
anyone have any information on Sarah or her family? Sarah died May 18, 1916 in 
Kilsally as per irishgenealogy.ie.
Thanks for any help 
Peggy
 
 

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Sarah Duffin, 1839

2019-04-06 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Peggy,

The Donaghenry, Co. Tyrone R.C. registers have been filmed and are available 
for viewing online via the National Library of Ireland’s website. The baptismal 
register states the maiden surname of mothers
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0187

Hope this is useful,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList
Sent: Sunday, 7 April 2019 10:59 AM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Peggy Gordon
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Sarah Duffin, 1839

I believe that Sarah Duffin was either born or baptised on Jan 28, 1839, in 
Kilsally, 
probably baptised at Donaghenry Catholic Church, to Patrick Duffin, mother 
unknown,
 I would like to know her mother's name. Sarah married William Quinn Jul 3, 
1889 in the Roman Catholic Chapel, Stewartstown, Union of Cookstown. Does 
anyone have any information on Sarah or her family? Sarah died May 18, 1916 in 
Kilsally as per irishgenealogy.ie.
Thanks for any help 
Peggy


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Guide to church records at PRONI

2019-04-06 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Barbara and others: here is the link to the PRONI Guide to Church 
Records. This should work 
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/PRONI-Guide-to-Church-Records.pdf

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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From: Beverley Ballantine via CoTyroneList
Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2019 11:27 PM
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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Guide to church records at PRONI

Elwin’s PDF attachment was not available to click on in the group email. Did I 
miss something?  Thank you. 

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records

2019-04-06 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Marion,

I cannot recall sending you the Bishopric of Derry Estate details, but I guess 
I did. The data would have been extracted from William Roulston’s essential 
research tool RESEARCHING ULSTER ANCESTORS 1600-1800 (2edn edn.,2018) Ulster 
Historical Foundation, Belfast.

Pre 1800 rentals and leases and call numbers are:
Derry Bishopric Estate, all parishes in the diocese of Derry
Rentals 1617, 1688, 1708, 1719 - D/683/31, 275, 278, 287
Leases of the see of Derry c. 1696 - D/683/240
Lease rents of the see of Derry 1718 D683/286
Rental of lands belonging to the bishopric to be let in Clonleigh parish 1790 - 
D2798/3/59

Hope this works for you,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Hello all, but Len Swindley in particular,
Last November Len answered a query I made about these records and was very 
helpful in giving me the information that they were at Proni and the details of 
what they included. I have been planning my next trip to Proni and searching 
the e catalogue for reference numbers for these records but I have been 
unsuccessful. Can you, Len, or anyone else, tell me what I am doing wrong and 
how I can find this information.
Regards Marion Shephard
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records

2019-04-05 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Sue,

PRONI is the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland in Belfast; an essential 
destination for the serious researcher. Check out their website 
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/proni

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia




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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records

Where is Proni?

Sue
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On Apr 5, 2019, at 9:05 AM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList 
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Marion,

You are probably after the guide to church records. It's on the PRONI website 
but hidden away, so I have attached a copy for you. The staff in PRONI will 
show you how to find the relevant microfilms etc, (Some of the records are in 
paper format rather than microfilm). Take your passport or photo id with you on 
your first visit to get a readers ticket. (Takes just a couple of minutes).

Elwyn


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Sent: Friday, 5 April 2019, 13:29
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Bishopric of Derry Estate records

 
Hello all, but Len Swindley in particular,
Last November Len answered a query I made about these records and was very 
helpful in giving me the information that they were at Proni and the details of 
what they included. I have been planning my next trip to Proni and searching 
the e catalogue for reference numbers for these records but I have been 
unsuccessful. Can you, Len, or anyone else, tell me what I am doing wrong and 
how I can find this information.
Regards Marion Shephard
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Donagheady Church near Strabane

2019-03-29 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Donagheady researchers would benefit from Dr William Roulston’s wonderful 400 
page Three Century of Life in a Tyrone Parish: A History of Donagheady 
1600-1900 available as an E-Book from cotyroneireland.com 
https://cotyroneireland.com/estore/index.php?detailrecid=15 William was raised 
in the parish and is one of Ireland’s leading researchers and is Research 
Director at the Ulster Historical Foundation in Belfast. He knows his stuff.
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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I visited the area and have photographs and information relating to the church 
and one nearby cemetery.   My ancestors were there prior to emigrating to the 
US.  How can I share them appropriately?
LuAnn Lundquist


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> Hello Bonnie,
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> You do not quote the source of your information. Was it extracted from the 
> wonderful Bready Ancestry website? ?http://www.breadyancestry.com/ which 
> contains the baptisms of several of John Dunn?s and Margaret McFarland?s 
> children? These are records from the registers of the Donagheady parish 
> church (Church of Ireland), the ruins of which are in the old graveyard 
> within the townland of Benowen (you can google the locational map) 2-3 
> kilometres from the village of Donemana (Dunnamanagh). The graveyard is 
> rather neglected and has been closed to burials for many years and not as 
> many headstones as one would expect as Donagheady with a large parish 
> population. The old church was abandoned in 1788 upon the erection of St. 
> Michael?s (with graveyard) closer to Donemana and this in turn was replaced 
> in the 1880s by the present parish church, St. James and a new graveyard in 
> the townland of Earl?s Gift. There are several Dunn graves to be found at 
> https://cotyroneireland.com/graveyard/fivemi
 le
> town/stmichaels.html
> 
> The surviving headstones have been transcribed, but do not include one for 
> John and Margaret. The majority of families did not deem a headstone 
> necessary but were quite sure the location of their allocated burial place.
> 
> I assume that it is the Church of Ireland records you refer to as the 
> surviving Presbyterian records (First and Second Congregations) do not 
> commence until the 1830s.
> 
> Hope this attends to your query and assists your research and hope things 
> work this time
> Regards
> Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Deaths of a Trio of Old Friends in the vicinity of Benburb, Co. Tyrone, 1856

2019-03-16 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers,
This item may be interesting to someone:

Tyrone Constitution, July 4 1856
A TRIO OF OLD FRIENDS. – In the vicinity of Benburb, three of the “oldest 
inhabitants” went the way of all the earth during the last month. On the 16th 
ultimo, at Lisbawnleminagh, near Benburb, Mr. PATRICK McSHERRY, aged 90 years. 
– On the 17th at Anagarson, Clonfeacle, near Benburb, Mr. DANIEL CONROY, aged 
82 years. On the 20th at Lisgubbin, near Benburb, Mr. BERNARD McRORY, aged 80 
years. These three patriarchs dwelt within a call of each other, and were 
always on the most intimate terms of friendship from their earliest years to 
the latest period of their lives. Their advanced ages speak well for the 
salubrity of the locality.

N.B. The tithe applotment book for Clonfeacle parish (1833) 
https://cotyroneireland.com/tithe/t-a-clonfeacle.html records PATT. McSHERRY at 
Lisbanleminigh and BERNARD McCRORY at Lisbubbin. Anagansa was a glebe and did 
not attract tithes so no record of DANIEL CONROY.

Perhaps a researcher may recognise a forebear in this useful and interesting 
item as it predates the introduction of civil registration of deaths by eight 
years.
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Annual Ulster Historical Foundation U.SLecture Tour

2019-03-07 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Steve,

The UHF team stage workshops with the cooperation of host genealogical and 
historical organisations/ groups ; perhaps there were no invitations issued on 
the West Coast this year. However, these events are not to be missed if you are 
so fortunate to have the opportunity to attend a session.

Regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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U.SLecture Tour

This looks like a worthwhile series of events. It is a bit disappointing
that they completely ignored the entire west coast of the U.S.  Farthest
west they get is to Salt Lake City.  It seems a bit strange they didn't
schedule in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, LA, or San Diego.  If this
happens once a year, perhaps next year they can make an effort to make it
all the way to the west coast.

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  the HMS Buffalo to Australia 1839-1840 (Ron McCoy)
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 20:39:04 +1100
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Hello Ron,
There are occasional UHF lectures tours to Canada, but not this year. These
are wonderful events. I have attended three UHF week-long annual conferences
in Belfast and Dublin and it was by attending these events that it became
quite clear that North Americans appeared at a disadvantage as a result of
poor immigration and civil registration records. On the other hand,
Australian delegates had the  decided advantage of knowledge of the exact
location of their forebear?s native place thanks to our complete records:
hence my rather lame attempts at offering assistance through the forum of
Cotyroneireland  https://cotyroneireland.com/ 

Good luck with your continuing research and regards, Len Swindley,
Melbourne, Australia

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From: Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList
Sent: Sunday, 3 March 2019 9:18 PM
To: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Cc: Ron McCoy
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Annual Ulster Historical Foundation
U.S.Lecture Tour 2019

Do you know if there is a? Canadian Lecture tour and where and when it will
be?
Ron McCoy
On 2019-03-02 6:20 p.m., Len Swindley via CoTyroneList wrote:
Hello Listers
ULSTER HISTORICAL FOUNDATION U.S. LECTURE 2019 The annual U.S. Family
History lecture tour by Fintan Mullan and Gillian Hunt commences this week:
These great events are recommended to anyone researching their Irish
forebears. For full details of venues across the U.S.
https://www.ancestryireland.com/
Locations: 
09 March - Concord, NH
10 March - Philadelphia, PA
11 March - Chicago, IL
12 March - Madison, WI?SOLD OUT
13 March - Green Bay, WI
14 March - Salt Lake City, UT
15 March - Salt Lake City, UT
16 March - Denver, CO
18 March - Pittsburgh, PA
19 March - Louisville, KY
20 March -?Coeur d'Alene, ID
22 March - Valparaiso, IN
23 March - Tampa, FL?- SOLD OUT

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Annual Ulster Historical Foundation U.S.Lecture Tour 2019

2019-03-04 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Ron,
There are occasional UHF lectures tours to Canada, but not this year. These are 
wonderful events. I have attended three UHF week-long annual conferences in 
Belfast and Dublin and it was by attending these events that it became quite 
clear that North Americans appeared at a disadvantage as a result of poor 
immigration and civil registration records. On the other hand, Australian 
delegates had the  decided advantage of knowledge of the exact location of 
their forebear’s native place thanks to our complete records: hence my rather 
lame attempts at offering assistance through the forum of Cotyroneireland  
https://cotyroneireland.com/ 

Good luck with your continuing research and regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, 
Australia

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From: Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList
Sent: Sunday, 3 March 2019 9:18 PM
To: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Cc: Ron McCoy
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Annual Ulster Historical Foundation 
U.S.Lecture Tour 2019

Do you know if there is a  Canadian Lecture tour and where and when it will be?
Ron McCoy
On 2019-03-02 6:20 p.m., Len Swindley via CoTyroneList wrote:
Hello Listers
ULSTER HISTORICAL FOUNDATION U.S. LECTURE 2019
The annual U.S. Family History lecture tour by Fintan Mullan and Gillian Hunt 
commences this week: These great events are recommended to anyone researching 
their Irish forebears. For full details of venues across the U.S. 
https://www.ancestryireland.com/
Locations: 
09 March - Concord, NH
10 March - Philadelphia, PA
11 March - Chicago, IL
12 March - Madison, WI SOLD OUT
13 March - Green Bay, WI
14 March - Salt Lake City, UT
15 March - Salt Lake City, UT
16 March - Denver, CO
18 March - Pittsburgh, PA
19 March - Louisville, KY
20 March - Coeur d'Alene, ID
22 March - Valparaiso, IN
23 March - Tampa, FL - SOLD OUT
24 March - Fairfield, CT
25 March - New York City, NY
26 March - New York City, NY
The Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast, is Ireland’s leading family history 
research organisation.
 


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[CoTyroneMailingList] Annual Ulster Historical Foundation U.S. Lecture Tour 2019

2019-03-02 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers
ULSTER HISTORICAL FOUNDATION U.S. LECTURE 2019
The annual U.S. Family History lecture tour by Fintan Mullan and Gillian Hunt 
commences this week: These great events are recommended to anyone researching 
their Irish forebears. For full details of venues across the U.S. 
https://www.ancestryireland.com/
Locations: 
09 March - Concord, NH
10 March - Philadelphia, PA
11 March - Chicago, IL
12 March - Madison, WI SOLD OUT
13 March - Green Bay, WI
14 March - Salt Lake City, UT
15 March - Salt Lake City, UT
16 March - Denver, CO
18 March - Pittsburgh, PA
19 March - Louisville, KY
20 March - Coeur d'Alene, ID
22 March - Valparaiso, IN
23 March - Tampa, FL - SOLD OUT
24 March - Fairfield, CT
25 March - New York City, NY
26 March - New York City, NY
The Ulster Historical Foundation, Belfast, is Ireland’s leading family history 
research organisation.

Regards and success with your research,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
Transcriber and submitter (volunteer) of records to CoTyroneIreland 
https://cotyroneireland.com/


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - St.Paul s Church of Ireland Graveyard Transcriptions, Garvagh, Parish of Errigal,Co. Londonderry

2019-02-24 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
That rather nice photo you have of the church (via William Roulston) would look 
good here.



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From: Jim McKane via CoTyroneList
Sent: Wednesday, 20 February 2019 10:05 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Jim McKane
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - 
St.Pauls Church of Ireland Graveyard Transcriptions, Garvagh, Parish of 
Errigal,Co. Londonderry

St. Paul&'s Church of Ireland Graveyard Transcriptions, Garvagh, Parish of 
Errigal, Co. Londonderry



Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content -Henderson Family Notes, Cos. Tyrone, Donegal & Londonderry

2019-02-23 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Sorry to disappoint Boyd; perhaps better luck next time. Very few of us could 
claim an esquire amongst our Tyrone forebears. Have you located the Henderson 
files of baptisms and marriages on CTI? They are located within the Surnames - 
Families menu could be helpful to your client’s search..

- HENDERSON Marriages, Aughnacloy Presbyterian Church, Carnteel Parish 1810-1846
- HENDERSON Records for Aghaloo Parish, Co. Tyrone & Surrounding Area
- HENDERSON Baptisms, Aghaloo Parish Church (St. John's Church of Ireland) 
Caledon 1793-1860
- Henderson, Mercer & Conway Burials, Extracted from the Registers of Aghaloo 
Parish Church (St. John's Church of Ireland), Caledon, Co. Tyrone, 1795-1910
- Henderson Marriages & Confirmations, Extracted from the Registers of Aghaloo 
Parish Church (St. John's Church of Ireland), Caledon, Co. Tyrone, 1803-1840
- Brantry Parish Church (Holy Trinity Church of Ireland), Aghaloo Civil Parish, 
Selected Records including Henderson, Wilson & Wright Baptisms 1845-82

Regards and all good wishes,
Len

 




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From: Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList
Sent: Friday, 22 February 2019 11:13 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Boyd Gray
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content -Henderson 
Family Notes, Cos. Tyrone, Donegal & Londonderry

Apposite timing, Len, I am just working on a Henderson feasibility study and 
searching newspapers is never a first priority for that as it is so difficult 
to extract each morsel.  

Just one quibble with all those "Esquires", I doubt my dirt poor farmers in 
Carnteel are going to feature large!

B

https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/




On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 at 10:54, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList 
 wrote:
Henderson Family Notes, Co. Tyrone 1823-70 - updated

Henderson Family Notes, Co. Londonderry 1831-70

Henderson Family Notes, Co. Donegal 1830-70

Thanks again to Len Swindley for THREE more great additions to CTI!


Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Fwd: Meehan family information

2019-02-13 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Absolutely wonderful Elwyn. A brilliant expose of past times
Regards
Len Swindley

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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Fwd: Meehan family information

You won’t get a birth certificate for Michael Meehan because his birth was long 
before the start of statutory birth certificates in Ireland (1864). Prior to 
1864 we generally rely on church records but in this case if he was born near 
Carrickmore (Termonmaguirk parish) in 1831, their baptisms don’t start till 
1834, so there won’t be a baptism record to find. So you probably won’t find 
any documentary record of his birth or baptism.

Family in 1901 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Athenree/Tremoge/1747785/

I see births for sons John on 26.5.1873, James on 8.6.1878 and daughter Alice 
on 17.9.1867 (where mother’s maiden name is recorded as Morrow). Mary Meenan’s 
death was registered in Omagh 8.7.1900 aged 50.

You can view the above certificates free on the irishgenealogy site  
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie save for John’s in 1873 which appears in 
the indexes but isn’t on the website. In that case you best bet is probably to 
view it on the GRONI website. They do appear to hold a copy there.

I searched for the 3rd son’s birth but did not find it. Could it have been pre 
1864 Ie before statutory registration)? In which case you would need to rely on 
church records. The Carrickmore parish records for 1834 to 1857 are on-line on 
the nli site but the records for 1858 onwards are not. So if the marriage and 
the birth of the first son fell in the period 1858 to 1863, then the church has 
the only copy.

Note that in both the 1901 census and the various statutory records I have 
referred to, the surname is recorded as Meenan not Meehan.

Michael Meenan’s farm is listed in Griffiths Valuation for 1860. It was plot 
18a in Griffiths and was a 29 acre farm. That property today is near the 
junction of the Termon and Coolbrack roads, outside Pomeroy.

Griffith's Valuation


Griffith's Valuation




I notice Morris households in and around Tremoge so it's possible Michael 
married the girl next door.

I am sorry that the person responsible for the church records was not as 
helpful as they might have been. Churches here do get a lot of genealogical 
requests and, in my personal experience, there have been several unfortunate 
incidents involving people defacing entries and ripping pages out of registers 
for whatever reason. Since these are the original records some custodians are 
understandably cautious about others handling them.

It’s probably also worth trying to manage your expectations here. I think some 
people expect churches to hold lots of detailed records on their congregations. 
They usually don’t. The birth and marriage records are often all they have (for 
the 1800s anyway). Few RC churches kept burial records, and there was rarely a 
written record for graveyards of where people were buried. (The gravediggers 
and most of the population were largely illiterate. Written records were no use 
to them). The information on where families were buried was kept in people’s 
heads, but obviously was lost when they died or moved away.



Elwyn


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From: Carrie Mahan 
Date: Mon, Feb 11, 2019, 8:03 AM
Subject: Meehan family information
To: 

Seeking additional information on Michael Meehan and family.  Attended church 
at carrickmore, born 1831,  died 17 jan 1903. Visited church record keeper 
there,  who was less than forthcoming about giving out other records. Hope you 
will have other information.  These are the Meehans of tremoge. Michael was 
married to Margaret Morris and had 4 sons and a daughter.  Michael died in 
1903. Looking for original marriage records, birth certificates,  death 
certificates, and more information about Margaret morris. I only have 
information from Ancestry. Anything else would be appreciated. Thanks. Carrie 
Mahan 
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Poor Law Union Returns for the Workhouses of Castlederg, Clogher, Strabane, Gortin & Omagh, Co Tyrone November 1848

2019-02-07 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers,

This item may be of interest to some:
WEEKLY RETURNS FOR THE WORKHOUSES OF CASTLEDERG, CLOGHER, STRABANE, GORTIN & 
OMAGH, CO. TYRONE in late November 1848 at the height of the Great Famine

Tyrone Constitution, November 24 1848



Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hi,

2019-02-02 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Cheryl,
It will not be possible to assist you with your search from the scanty 
information you have submitted. McCulloch is spelt variously in Ireland; 
McCullagh, McCollough, McCullough, McCullow as examples (and many more 
variations). Without Mary McCulloch’s father’s name your search cannot proceed. 
Does her marriage record state the name of her father?
If you go to the front page of CTI https://cotyroneireland.com/ and undertake a 
search of the SEARCH EVERY NAME INDEX, enter McCull and wait to be surprised at 
the number of hits contained in files on the website.
Good luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hi,

I was sign under Family,I am a descendant of Mary McMulloch born about 1829 or 
1830 in Tyrone Ireland and Charles Gibson born 1831 in West Linlithgow, 
Lothian, Scotland now they were married on 19 Dec 1852 in Glasgow Scotland.
Mary McCulloch and Charles Gibsoon came to Australia on the 17 July 1863.
But I am looking for Mary McCulloch parents in Tyrone Ireland.
Please Help?
Cheryl Humphreys

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hugh Campbell, of Aghalane, near Plumbridge, Co. Tyrone - a Popular Landlord

2019-02-02 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Maggie,

Many thanks for your thanks; I am delighted to hear from a CTI lister who has 
benefitted from my voluntary efforts. The information contained in the article 
adds flesh to the dry old bones of Tyrone forebears. Wishing you continued 
success,

Len Swindley

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Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2019 12:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Hugh Campbell, of Aghalane,near Plumbridge, 
Co. Tyrone - a Popular Landlord

Thank you for this Len.  I am a descendant of Hugh Campbell's father, Hugh 
Campbell, and his first wife Catherine Denny.  It's always nice to see these 
snippets of the past.

Maggie in Seattle

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Hugh Campbell, of Aghalane, near Plumbridge, Co. Tyrone - a Popular Landlord

2019-02-02 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList

Hello Listers,
Contrary to popular belief, not all landlords were rack renting tyrants and 
this extract may be interesting to some:

December 22, 1835 Londonderry Journal
Extract of a Letter from Gortin, in the Parish of Badoney, County of Tyrone.
December 14. – On the Friday, the 11th inst., arrived in Aughalone [Aghalane], 
near Plum bridge, the residence of his ancestors, HUGH CAMPBELL, ESQ., after an 
absence of seventeen years in the United States of America; and although at a 
late hour, the banks and braes of Glenelly, below and above the Plum bridge for 
miles, were in immediate illumination by bonfires, with the firing of guns, 
huzzars, , each side, without party distinctions, vieing with his tenantry 
in their zeal in the joyous demonstrations of a warm-hearted cead miellia 
faultagh. Such have been highly gratifying to this deserving young gentleman, 
(an encouraging and liberal landlord), and most pleasing to the feelings of an 
aged widow, mother and relatives.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Calls for memorial to Dungannon workhouse dead

2019-01-29 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList

Yes folks, the old times in the land of saints and scholars were hard, and as 
harsh as they were, workhouses offered accommodation to the indigent and those 
with family who were unable to care for them. Here are a few websites that 
offer an insight into the workhouses of Co. Tyrone

CASTLEDERG
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Castlederg/
COOKSTOWN
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Cookstown/
DUNGANNON
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Dungannon/
OMAGH
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Omagh/

STRABANE Approx. fifteen years ago, the Strabane District Council erected a 
memorial to inmates who died during the Great Famine 1848-50 in a field behind 
the former council offices. No names, as this was prior to the introduction of 
civil registration in Ireland. The Workhouse registers for the Famine Years 
have not survived.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Strabane/

Database of approx 5,000 young female orphans sent to the Australian colonies 
from Irish Workhouses during the great Famine 1848-50 (the database contains 
details of native place, parents, occupation, religious denomination and much 
more. Some girls had a living parent, but was unable to care for them
http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/en/orphans/database/

Trust this is interesting,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia (descendant of a Famine orphan from Strabane 
workhouse)

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McKane via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 8:49:48 PM
To: Gordon Wilkinson; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Jim McKane
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Calls for memorial to Dungannon workhouse 
dead

Yes, they had a very tough life which we can only think about but never 
understand.
Jim

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario


On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 11:03 PM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:

Jim, Thanks for sharing this. A poignant reminder of what life could be like 
barely 150 years ago. I haven't found if any of my Dungannon ancestors were in 
workhouses but I do have an ancestor who was matron of a fever hospital in 
Londonderry. She died after only 2 years in the job. Life was tough then. Gordon

On 28/01/2019 10:55 pm, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList wrote:
If you had ancestors in the Dungannon area this may be of interest =

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-46813077?fbclid=IwAR2Ezc0RzUMq4U21vU3OsDsYbioJTY4f2kv38AGZlbM8aOrC2hk1isBd_ZU


Jim McKane
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Records mentioned on your website

2019-01-21 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Patrick,

Welcome to CoTyroneIreland.com (CTI) http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ ; it is a 
great website with loads of FREE content submitted by volunteer transcribers.
The church records you refer to were extracted from the registers of Carnteel 
Parish Church, St. James’ Church of Ireland, Aughnacloy, Co. Tyrone. The early 
registers have been filmed by the staff of PRONI, Belfast, where they may be 
consulted, however the staff will not undertake research for you – it will be 
necessary to engage an independent researcher.

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These records are not available online at no cost, apart from those on CTI.

I guess you have referred to https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ where images of 
original images of civil registration certificates are gradually being 
uploaded: Protestant marriages commence 1845, births and deaths (all) and 
Catholic marriages were first recorded in 1864. Should you wish to purchase 
copies of any certificates there is a link. Hope this helps your research

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia CTI volunteer transcriber and submitter of 
files


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From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of 
Patrick Henderson via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 1:31:38 PM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Patrick Henderson
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Records mentioned on your website

I love your website.  I am learning about my County Tyrone ancestors.  Your 
website has been helpful.
By family history, I know that my ancestors Hodgen and Isabella (Lucas) 
Henderson lived in County Tyrone before Hodgen’s death in 1867 and Isabella’s 
immigration to America in 1868.
I was happy to find this page on your website: 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/aughnacloybaptisms3.html
I believe that my ancestors are mentioned on that page.  John Henderson, who 
was baptized on 10 Jan 1858 is likely my third great grandfather.  His younger 
brother, Charles, was baptized on 11 Sep 1860.
They are listed on the page as follows:
10/1/1858   John Henderson  Hodgin Isabella   
Lucas   Glack
11/9/1860   CharlesHenderson  Hodgin Isabella   
Lucas   Glenriu
I am also wondering whether the “Hodgkin,” who was baptized on 17 April 1825, 
might be the father of John and Charles.  According to other records I have 
found Hodgin died in 1867.  His death record lists his age as 40, making his 
year of birth around 1827.  This baptism is a year or two earlier than we would 
expect if the death record is accurate.  Also, the name isn’t spelled the same. 
 On the other hand, the father listed there is Thomas, which does match his 
father’s name as shown on Hodgen & Isabella’s marriage record. Also, their home 
is listed as the Townland of Dernabane, which is contiguous to Glack, where 
Hodgen lived when he married and when he died.
The page says that these records are copied from PRONI T/679/330.  I have 
looked on PRONI website and cannot find these records there.  How would I go 
about getting copies of the records?
Patrick Henderson
627 Commercial; P.O. Box 349
Atchison, Kansas 66002, USA
(913) 367-1912 (Office)
(913) 367-5983 (Mobile)
patr...@nemechekfamily.org

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Badoney Upper Parish Church

2019-01-16 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Peter,

Referring to History of Congregations  (Presbyterian Historical Society of 
Ireland, 1982), James Chrystie is not recorded as  a minister of Badoney 
congregation (list of ministers commence 1759). I would suggest you refer your 
query to the Presbyterian Historical Society in Belfast – they may be 
interested in the information you have regarding the Rev. James Chrystie as 
there is a gap in the Badoney records c1690-1710

Regards
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Peter Kincaid 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:37:22 AM
To: Len Swindley
Cc: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Badoney Upper Parish Church

Actually I am blind.  It was Presbyterian.

Peter


On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 1:18 AM Len Swindley 
mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Hello Peter,

You do not state the source of your information, but will attempt to address 
your query. Have referred to my copy of Derry Clergy and Parishes – Canon J. B. 
Leslie (1937) for relevant data to assist your research and am not sure that it 
will offer any joy.
As you state, the original extensive Bodoney parish was divided (date is up for 
conjecture, but Leslie states “When Bodoney Lower was separated from Bodoney 
Upper and constituted a parish the Church was built at Gortin in 1730, and the 
income from tithes was about seven hundred and fifty pounds”.
Early clergy are listed and those who served in the parish in the early 
eighteenth century were:
RECTORS
1671 James Barclay (i.e. Berkeley)
1701 James Gratten
1708 Edward Cheevers
1710-17 Thomas Breviter
1746 John Torrens

Nothing relevant may be located in the list of CURATES. Sadly, according to 
Canon Leslie, there is nothing to indicate that Rev. James Chrystie held a seat 
in the parish, let alone a chair!
Is it possible that you may possess any further information offering an avenue 
for further research?

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia




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mailto:cotyronelist-boun...@cotyroneireland.com>>
 on behalf of Peter Kincaid via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:35:04 PM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Peter Kincaid
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Badoney Upper Parish Church

Does anyone have a history of the Church of Ireland in Badoney Parish?  I get 
the impression that the Parish was split about 1706 with the newer church being 
built at Gortin (i.e. for Badoney Lower Parish).  I am trying to learn more 
about James Chrystie, the minister at the beginning of the 1700s.  I assume his 
seat was at the church near Plumbridge.  Is this correct?

Peter

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Badoney Upper Parish Church

2019-01-12 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Peter,

You do not state the source of your information, but will attempt to address 
your query. Have referred to my copy of Derry Clergy and Parishes – Canon J. B. 
Leslie (1937) for relevant data to assist your research and am not sure that it 
will offer any joy.
As you state, the original extensive Bodoney parish was divided (date is up for 
conjecture, but Leslie states “When Bodoney Lower was separated from Bodoney 
Upper and constituted a parish the Church was built at Gortin in 1730, and the 
income from tithes was about seven hundred and fifty pounds”.
Early clergy are listed and those who served in the parish in the early 
eighteenth century were:
RECTORS
1671 James Barclay (i.e. Berkeley)
1701 James Gratten
1708 Edward Cheevers
1710-17 Thomas Breviter
1746 John Torrens

Nothing relevant may be located in the list of CURATES. Sadly, according to 
Canon Leslie, there is nothing to indicate that Rev. James Chrystie held a seat 
in the parish, let alone a chair!
Is it possible that you may possess any further information offering an avenue 
for further research?

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia




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Peter Kincaid via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 2:35:04 PM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Peter Kincaid
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Badoney Upper Parish Church

Does anyone have a history of the Church of Ireland in Badoney Parish?  I get 
the impression that the Parish was split about 1706 with the newer church being 
built at Gortin (i.e. for Badoney Lower Parish).  I am trying to learn more 
about James Chrystie, the minister at the beginning of the 1700s.  I assume his 
seat was at the church near Plumbridge.  Is this correct?

Peter

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Samuel Cavin Born Abt. 1701 Templereagh, Donaghenry Parish, Co., Tyrone Northern Ireland

2019-01-07 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Tina,

Samuel Cavin is not recorded in the index to the extremely useful History of 
Congregations 1610-1982 published by the Presbyterian Historical Society in 
Ireland (1982), nor the Seceders in Ireland – Stewart (1950). Perhaps he was 
not ordained in Ireland? As Elwyn has suggested, the PHSI should be the first 
port of call in your search.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 10:36:34 PM
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Cc: Elwyn Soutter; Tina
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Samuel Cavin Born Abt. 1701 Templereagh, 
Donaghenry Parish, Co., Tyrone Northern Ireland

Tina,

If Samuel served as a Minister in Ireland, the Presbyterian Church Historical 
Society in Belfast should have some brief details of his career and background:

http://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com

It wasn’t possible for prospective Presbyterian Ministers to get a degree in 
theology in Ireland at that time, and so if he went to university, it’s likely 
to have been in Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, St Andrew’s or Aberdeen). Those 
universities can sometimes confirm when someone matriculated and give you a 
little about their origins.


Elwyn





From: Tina via CoTyroneList 
To: "cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com" 
Cc: Tina 
Sent: Monday, 7 January 2019, 11:19
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Samuel Cavin Born Abt. 1701 Templereagh, 
Donaghenry Parish, Co., Tyrone Northern Ireland

I am searching for records of my 6th Great Grandfather, Rev Samuel Cavin.   He 
was a Presbyterian minister who came to America in 1737.   He died 1750 and is 
buried in the churchyard of the church he ministered.   Silver Spring 
Presbyterian Church in Pennsylvania.
I am looking for his family in Ireland.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Tina Swyers
Independence, Kansas 67301

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Questions re. Verner Estate & Burges Estate, Co. Tyrone & Presbyterian Records Kildress Parish, Co. Tyrone

2019-01-04 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Susan,
Jim has forwarded your queries in the hope of helpful a response: should any of 
the data be useful to another researcher, I shall send it via the List.
Firstly, regarding the estate records, it is essential to refer to:
Researching Ulster Ancestors: The Essential Genealogical Guide to Early Modern 
Ulster 1600-1800 (2nd edn., 2018) – William J. Roulston (Ulster Historical 
Foundation) . You do not state where you live, but I believe that this book is 
marketed in North America as Researching Ulster-Scots Ancestors and it is 
invaluable for an understanding of surviving records for the province of Ulster.
The following estate records archived in PRONI, Belfast (with call numbers) may 
assist your research
VERNER ESTATE, CHURCHILL
Leases etc relating to lands in counties Armagh & Tyrone beginning 1641 D2538/A 
passim
Large collection of 18th century leases for Armagh, Monaghan & Tyrone D236 
passim
Rentals and valuations of Ballygawley 1785 D236/539
Rental of the Tyrone estate 1788-92 D236/487A
BURGES ESTATE, PARKANAUR
RENTALS:
Lands in County Armagh 1794-5 T1007/193
Rental Tyrone estate 1797 T1007/207
Rental of Armagh and Tyrone estate 1798-1909 T1007/216
MAPS from 1750
MISCELLANEOUS: Letters From 1722, Observations and leases 18th century, Leases 
and remarks on tenants 1700-1902, Lists of tenants 1700-51

PRONI GUIDE TO CHURCH RECORDS 
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/PRONI-Guide-to-Church-Records.pdf
The Presbyterian Church in Kildress parish will be ORRITOR Presbyterian Church; 
the 1845-1930 marriage register has been microfilmed by the staff at PRONI, 
Belfast where it may be inspected: MIC1P/442
Baptisms 1831 – and Marriages 1827-44 remain in local custody (at the church)
Trust this information clarifies the situation and assists your research,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia, volunteer transcriber and submitter of 
files to CoTyroneIreland http://www.cotyroneireland.com/


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From: Jim McKane 
Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 7:33:03 AM
To: Susan Black; Len Swindley
Subject: Re: questions

No but I've copied Len Swindley in the event he might know.

Jim

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario


On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 11:30 AM Susan Black 
mailto:se.o...@telus.net>> wrote:
Good Morning, Jim

Do you know if there are any early records for the Verner Estate,
Burgess Estate, Parkanaur  and where to look for early Presbyterian
records for Kildress (Doons) ?

Thank you.

Susan


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[CoTyroneMailingList] CANNON family of Castlederg, Co. Tyrone, emigrated Canada USA: Missing persons

2018-12-31 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList

Hello Listers,

This item may be of interest to Cannon researchers with Tyrone origins:

November 29 1876 (Londonderry Journal)
INFORMATION WANTED of JOHN CANNON, who left Montreal, Canada, two years ago; 
last heard from was living at No. 1,313, Market-street, Philadelphia. Pa. Also 
of his aunt, MARY CANNON, wife of HUGH FAHEY, cooper by trade, and a native of 
Sugarhouse-lane, Londonderry. Last heard from was in Cincinnati, Ohio. They 
were natives of Castlederg, parish of Urney, County Tyrone. Address PATRICK 
CANNON, No. 111, Coleborn-street, Montreal, Canada

Regards and all good wishes for a very Happy New Year to Listers,
Len Swindley, volunteer transcriber for cotyroneireland 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/
Melbourne, Australia

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Clements family

2018-11-30 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Marietta,

Thanks for your post. You do not mention when and where your forebear 
emigrated. U.S./ Canada?
Emigration records were not kept in Ireland until the late nineteenth century 
and it will be necessary for you to commence your research at the port of 
disembarkation. Did Isabella emigrate with her entire  family or perhaps a 
sibling or two? I have referred to the surviving passenger lists of the 
Londonderry shipping firms of J & J Cooke and McCorkell, but located nothing to 
assist your research. Also don’t overlook the fact that many Irish departed to 
the new world via Greenock, Glasgow, Scotland and Liverpool, England.

Clements is a rather common family name in Co. Tyrone and to be found in many 
parishes: I am including the heads of households recorded in c1860 Griffiths 
Valuation –

Source: https://www.failteromhat.com/tyrone.htm
SURNAME

GIVEN NAME

TOWNLAND

PARISH


CLEMENTS

Joseph

Guiness

Aghaloo


CLEMENTS

William

Legane

Aghaloo


CLEMINS

Ely

Bohard

Aghaloo


CLEMENTS

William

Knockiniller

Ardstraw


CLEMENTS

Thomas

Dergbrough

Bodoney Upper


CLEMENTS

David

Creevenagh

Cappagh


CLEMENTS

Alexander

Fernaghandrum

Clogher


CLEMENTS

James

Fernaghandrum

Clogher


CLEMENTS

John

Fernaghandrum

Clogher


CLEMENTS

David

Beragh

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

David

Beragh, Beragh Town

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

David

Coolesker

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

David

Killadroy

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

Guy

Moylagh

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

Hamilton

Dervaghroy

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

James

Curr

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

James

Killadroy

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

James

Roscavey

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

John

Beragh

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

John

Beragh, Beragh Town

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

John

Laragh

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

Joseph

Cloghenry  Glebe Upper

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

Rebecca

Beragh, Beragh Town

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

Robert

Moylagh

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

Thomas

Beragh

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

Thomas

Beragh, Beragh Town

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

Thomas

Eskermore

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

William

Curr

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

William

Legacurry

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

William

Town of Beragh

Clogherny


CLEMENTS

Mary

Culkeeran

Clonfeacle


CLEMENTS

John

Aughrimderg

Clonoe


CLEMENTS

William

Annaghmore

Clonoe


CLEMENTS

William

Derrytresk

Clonoe


CLEMENTS

John

Coagh Street,Town of Cookstown

Derryloran


CLEMENTS

William

Loy, Cookstown James St.

Derryloran


CLEMENTS

James

Kiltyclogher

Desertcreat


CLEMENTS

William

Gortmonly

Donaghedy


CLEMENTS

Alexander

Tullagh More

Donaghenry


CLEMENTS

Edward

Killymurphy

Donaghenry


CLEMENTS

Edward

Tamnylennan

Donaghenry


CLEMENTS

Edward

Tullagh More

Donaghenry


CLEMENTS

John

Drumgormal

Donaghenry


CLEMENTS

Rose

Brackaville

Donaghenry


CLEMENTS

Samuel

Galvally or Stevenson's Dowery

Donaghenry


CLEMENTS

Sarah

Tamnylennan

Donaghenry


CLEMENTS

John

Killybrack

Drumragh


CLEMENTS

John

Lissan

Drumragh


CLEMENTS

Margaret

Dergmoney Lower

Drumragh


CLEMENTS

Margaret

Omagh (Town of Omagh)

Drumragh


CLEMENTS

Joseph

Culnaha

Errigal Keerogue


CLEMENTS

Christopher

Drumkee

Killyman


CLEMENTS

Francis

Corrainy

Killyman


CLEMENTS

George

Corr

Killyman


CLEMENTS

George, Jr.

Corr

Killyman


CLEMENTS

George, Sr.

Corr

Killyman


CLEMENTS

Richard

Cohannan

Killyman


CLEMENTS

William

Ballynakilly

Killyman


CLEMENTS

William

Corr

Killyman


CLEMENTS

John

Ramackan

Termonmaguirk


CLEMENTS

Robert

Cavanreagh

Termonmaguirk


CLEMENTS

Robert

Ramackan

Termonmaguirk


CLEMENTS

Thomas

Ramackan

Termonmaguirk


CLEMENTS

William

Aghnaglea

Termonmaguirk


CLEMENTS

William

Cavanreagh

Termonmaguirk


CLEMENTS

William

Sixmilecross

Termonmaguirk


CLEMENTS

Edward

Gortgonis

Tullyniskan



It is also worth looking through the index to the tithe applotment books of the 
1820s-30s for families – if Isabella’s father was a leaseholder of farming 
land, he may be recorded therein http://www.cotyroneireland.com/search.php

Good luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of 
Marietta Schmid via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 9:46:50 AM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Marietta Schmid
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Clements family

I am looking for my ancestors.
The name I have is, Isabella Clements.
She was born in Tyrone county, Ireland
Around 1820+
Any help with this, is greatly appreciated!
Thank you so much.
Sincerely,
Marietta Schmid
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[CoTyroneMailingList] FW: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Blessington Estate - A List of Tenants of the Townland of Ballykeel (Upper), Cappagh Parish, Co. Tyrone, 1874

2018-11-20 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList

Subject: RE: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Blessington Estate - A List of 
Tenants of the Townland of Ballykeel (Upper), Cappagh Parish, Co. Tyrone, 1874

Listers should find it interesting of the effects of emigration from Northern 
Ireland as illustrated with the number of named lives in these leases; those 
who had emigrated to “America” and had disappeared and not heard from again. Of 
the nine leaseholders, five of the named third parties had family who had 
emigrated.  Without doubt, further families from Ballykeel Upper had also 
farewelled sons, daughters and siblings.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
Volunteer transcriber and compiler of files for submission to CoTyroneIreland 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/


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From: Jim McKane 
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:22:46 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Subject: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Blessington Estate - A List of 
Tenants of the Townland of Ballykeel (Upper), Cappagh Parish, Co. Tyrone, 1874

Blessington Estate - A List of Tenants of the Townland of Ballykeel (Upper), 
Cappagh Parish, Co. Tyrone, 
1874

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Anne Job & Bridget Monaghan Convicted Felons Transported to Australia 1848

2018-11-19 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers,

This snippet from the Londonderry Sentinel may cause a smile: a sentence of 
transportation to the Australian colonies was not always seen as without hope.

CROWN COURT OMAGH, COUNTY TYRONE, MARCH 1848

Londonderry Sentinel March 11 1848
Anne Job, for stealing two blankets on 2nd February last, at Trillick, the 
goods of Terence McQuade; and Bridget Monaghan was indicted for receiving said 
goods. Guilty – each to be transported seven years. The prisoner Job, on 
receiving sentence, exclaimed “thank God, it is not so bad as a bad marriage”.

Len Swindley, Melbourne Australia


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Diocese of Londonderry

2018-11-16 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Marion,

The Bishopric of Derry Estate records have been archived in the Public Record 
of Northern Ireland (PRONI), Belfast where they may be consulted. They are not 
available on the web. Pre1800 records include rentals 1617, 1688, 1708, & 1719; 
Lease rents 1718 and numerous petitions from the tenants of the lands of the 
bishopric 1768-1803; Rental of lands belonging to the bishopric to be let in 
Clonleigh parish, Co. Donegal 1790.

Hoping this is useful?

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Does anyone know if it is possible to access the historical records relating to 
the estate of the Diocese of Londonderry?
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2018-11-10 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
The Brigh Presbyterian baptisms have been indexed and can be found on the 
Familysearch website: Ireland Births and Baptisms 1620-1881.

This is a large database of several thousand indexed (only) records from the 
registers of nine churches, five of them being Church of Ireland parishes in Co 
Down; and are not grouped by church, but alphabetically and it is necessary to 
search extensively.

To compile a user-friendly file for CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ 
subscribers consisting of Brigh Presbyterian baptisms only, has involved 
extracting relevant data, taking time and some effort – the records on the 
Familysearch database are indexes ONLY of all nine churches and have been 
transcribed by LDS church members from the filmed records in PRONI, Belfast; 
please note that they are not the actual images from the registers. The LDS 
have not been granted permission to film and upload Irish Presbyterian and 
Church of Ireland registers– such permission has been given to PRONI only where 
the films may be consulted. Moreover, the transcribers did not record the 
all-important townland (essential for Irish research).

I trust this clarifies things and that the file of Brigh Presbyterian Baptisms 
1832-45 http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/brigh2.html is useful and 
interesting to researchers hailing from that part of Co. Tyrone

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia  - Volunteer transcriber of files and 
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The LDS no longer sends film to Family History Centers, However, the films are 
all available at the Salt Lake Family History Library, in Salt Lake and can be 
accessed there.  You maybe able to find them in the special collections area of 
FamilySearch.org  it’s a free site.  Depending on the records they may even 
have been index and you can search by the names.  Otherwise go to the 
collections area and type in Ireland or the area your looking for and browse 
through the records that have not been indexed.

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The LDS has this on their FamilySearch site and I requested the microfilm of 
this data and it showed the Townland each was from.  It showed that Andrew, 
James and William Wright were from Ballynafeagh.  I do not know if the LDS 
still makes microfilm available.  In addition, I had PRONI do a search on 
non-digitized data and they found the hand written records of the marriage Of 
the parents of the Wright Brothers in addition to their hand written births.

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Brigh Presbyterian Church, Ballyclog Parish, Co. Tyrone Selected Baptisms 
1832-45

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Farming life in Co Tyrone

2018-11-04 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
And special thanks are indeed due to Elwyn for his recollection of the old days 
(and ways) and his ability to relate a story from former times in a wonderful 
relaxed style – just like a fireside chat: it is indeed a gift.
Thanks everyone and all contributions to the List are welcome,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Hello All
I just wanted to say a huge thankyou to everyone who responded to my original 
question about farming , particularly to Ron, Len and Elwyn, who have provided 
so much information. I have been trying to record a narrative record of my 
McCay family in Tyrone. I have a pretty good chronological history dating from 
the beginning of the 19th century till the mid 20th but wanted to add some 
background information to bring life to their lives and am grateful for all 
your help in doing this.
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2018-11-01 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Many thanks Elwyn,

Your contributions are most welcome and we (researchers) value your interest, 
experience and expertise.

Kind regards,
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Hi Elwyn

that was really nice thank you so much

Ron McCoy

On 2018-10-31 1:12 PM, Elwyn Soutter via CoTyroneList wrote:
The stir-about pot was hung on a swiveled arm over the open fire, and the 
housewife just dropped anything available into it. Mainly potatoes and oats, 
and sometimes the odd onion. Meat was a rarity, though rabbits and so on were 
an occasional bonus.  It all went in together. Pretty basic stuff.

For those of a sentimental inclination, the stirabout pot gets a mention in the 
splendid cheesy old Percy French song: “The Emigrant’s letter” (sometimes known 
as Cutting the Corn in Creeslough) written some time about 1890, about sailing 
as an emigrant from Derry to Quebec.

https://www.irish-folk-songs.com/emigrants-letter-lyrics-and-guitar-chords.html

Guaranteed to bring a tear to the eye, Bridie Gallagher gives it her best here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8jeEEgI9mY

Elwyn



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Hello Listers,

Following on from the items extracted from the Ordnance Survey Memoirs covering 
the habits and food of our Tyrone forebears, some clarification will be useful 
as to stirabout and flummery having received several off list queries:

STIRABOUT is a porridge made from oatmeal or cornmeal boiled in milk or water 
and stirred

FLUMMERY is a soft jelly or porridge made with flour or meal

Regards,
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[CoTyroneMailingList] The Food of Our Tyrone Forbears

2018-10-31 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers,

Following on from the items extracted from the Ordnance Survey Memoirs covering 
the habits and food of our Tyrone forebears, some clarification will be useful 
as to stirabout and flummery having received several off list queries:

STIRABOUT is a porridge made from oatmeal or cornmeal boiled in milk or water 
and stirred

FLUMMERY is a soft jelly or porridge made with flour or meal

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account

2018-10-30 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello pjl265sh,

You will find the history of the Archbishopric of Armagh Estate at
https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/A/Armagh-See-of.php

Regards and happy reading,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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How did the Archbishop come to be in possession of these lands?

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Hello Evelyn,

Thanks for your input on the growing and harvesting of potatoes; always good to 
receive insights from a researcher residing in Co. Tyrone; your time employed 
in a heritage museum allows us to benefit from your research and experience of 
working amongst the relics and records of times gone by.

All researchers residing outside Northern Ireland value your insight on this 
and also your generous transcriptions of the 1703 Archbishopric of Armagh 
estate lease books (Ashe Manuscripts)
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh_cornwall.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1693.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html

Many thanks indeed for your kindness and regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia (volunteer transcriber and submitter of 
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Ron's description of the joys of planting and picking potatoes is an excellent 
record of the task and backache involved before mechanisation.  If only more 
people would record their memories like this.

However most people in early 19th century Ireland were only growing smaller 
quantities for the use of their families, perhaps an acre or two at most, and 
not on a commercial basis.  With families to assist, it was not a particularly 
time consuming task, especially during the growing season in summer.

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2018-10-27 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Evelyn,

Thanks for your input on the growing and harvesting of potatoes; always good to 
receive insights from a researcher residing in Co. Tyrone; your time employed 
in a heritage museum allows us to benefit from your research and experience of 
working amongst the relics and records of times gone by.

All researchers residing outside Northern Ireland value your insight on this 
and also your generous transcriptions of the 1703 Archbishopric of Armagh 
estate lease books (Ashe Manuscripts)
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh_cornwall.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1693.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html

Many thanks indeed for your kindness and regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia (volunteer transcriber and submitter of 
files to CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/


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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account

Ron's description of the joys of planting and picking potatoes is an excellent 
record of the task and backache involved before mechanisation.  If only more 
people would record their memories like this.

However most people in early 19th century Ireland were only growing smaller 
quantities for the use of their families, perhaps an acre or two at most, and 
not on a commercial basis.  With families to assist, it was not a particularly 
time consuming task, especially during the growing season in summer.

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Observations on the Inhabitants of Clogher Parish, Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland 1833-5

2018-10-25 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers;

There has been recent interest expressed in the lives of our Tyrone forbears 
(thanks to Elwyn) and here is an extract from the Ordnance Survey Memoirs of 
the 1820s-30s that offers some observations on living conditions in Clogher 
parish. Having read through many of the memoirs covering the parishes of Co. 
Tyrone, this report could be applied similarly to all parishes.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


EXTRACTED FROM ORDNANCE MEMOIRS OF IRELAND: PARISHES OF COUNTY TYRONE VOL. 1 
(INSTITUTE OF IRISH STUDIES, QUEEN’S UNIVERSITY OF BELFAST) (1990)
STATISTICAL MEMOIR BY LIEUTENANT R. STOTHERD
ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS:
THE HABITS OF THE PEOPLE
42nd: There is very little order, cleanliness, or neatness in general to be 
found either in the houses or of the more wealthy farmers or in the cottages of 
the poor. The turf stack often approaches within a few yards of the door and 
thus intersects the view and stops the currency of the air. The yard in front 
of the house is full of the odour of the cow house and stable, for they are 
often built in the very front and sometime adjoining the dwellinghouse. The 
lanes and approaches to the house are narrow, rough and filthy in the extreme. 
Within no order is visible; you may see pigs and fowls eating in the kitchen 
and everything is dirty and confused, the furniture a few pots and noggins, a 
stool or a broken chair. The potatoes at meals are thrown out in a basket and 
so laid on the table or on a stool, and the whole family gather round, master, 
mistress, children and servants in a mass, and eat out of the basket without 
knife, fork or any appendage at meals. A man who can give his daughter in 
marriage 50 or 100 pounds will live in this manner. But this is not universally 
the case: sometimes everything is seen comfortable, neat and clean, both within 
and without the farmhouse, the furniture good and decent, the kitchen neatly 
tiled, the outside of the house well whitewashed and thatched, the yard and 
lanes about the house in good repair and clean. It is, however, to be regretted 
that very few instances occur where this order and decency is observed.

FOOD
44th: Potatoes and milk is the general food of the farmers of this barony, for 
breakfast, dinner and supper during 9 months of the year. This is sometimes 
varied by a bit of bacon for dinner, sometimes butter and oaten bread or eggs 
are added to the potatoes for dinner. In 3 of the summer months when potatoes 
begin to fail, stirabout or flummery is substituted for potatoes, for breakfast 
or supper.
45th: The same report will serve for the manufacturing class and tradespeople.
46th: Potatoes and milk, or when milk grows scarce potatoes or herrings, or 
potatoes and salt is almost the only food of the poor inhabitants during the 
entire year. Occasionally a little stirabout is added for supper or breakfast 
in the summer months.

EDUCATION
47th: There is certainly a general desire of instruction in all classes of the 
people, both Protestants and Roman Catholics. The poor are anxious to teach 
their children reading, writing and arithmetic, and although the facilities for 
the education of the Roman Catholics is not so great as for the Protestants, 
being hindered by their priests from attending Sunday and other schools, yet 
there is certainly a desire in the minds even of the Roman Catholics for the 
education of their children.
48th: The children of the poor pay for their education according to the 
following rates: for spelling and reading, for writing for arithmetic, for 
book-keeping [blank]
49th: It is believed that there is at least an improvement in the morals and 
cleanliness of children attending Sunday Schools. They are not permitted to 
attend unless they are clean and they are expelled if any gross immorality be 
committed. It is also hoped that there is in the inhabitants in general, a 
greater respect for the laws, fewer quarrels and less fighting than formerly


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2018-10-25 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Bobbie,

Griffiths Valuation can be searched at Ask About Ireland 
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

I think it necessary you do some reading explaining this tax and the valuation 
which was undertaken 1858-62 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griffith%27s_Valuation

Prior to Griffiths the only surviving tax records are the tithe applotment 
books. Tithe Applotment Books 1820s-30s: for an explanation of the records 
refer to
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/tithe-applotment-books.html

Search the Tithe Applotment Books on CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/search.php

There are in excess of 400 hits for Thompson & Thomson on CTI 
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=40012625=r=0&_charset_=utf-8=%C3%B7=Thompson

That’s the best I can offer. Good luck,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Sent: Thursday, 25 October 2018 8:38 AM
To: Len Swindley
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Roll of Sir Robert Stewart's Regiment, Raphoe, Co. Donegal 1642


Oh my goodness,  thought my work was going to be simple with only a few to 
research.   I don't have access to the Griffiths Valuation.



My Thompson is from 1750 to 1815.   Is there an  earlier Griffiths??  thanks 
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2018-10-20 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Kathleen,

How lucky for you to have been in Salt Lake City attending lectures and 
presentations by Fintan Mullin and Gillian Hunt from the Ulster Historical 
Foundation in Belfast. And I am delighted that you have found family 
connections in my latest submission to CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ -  
the 1642 muster roll of Sir Robert Stewart at Raphoe, Co. Donegal; these early 
settlers would have arrived from Scotland within the previous 20-30 years (at 
most) so you can commence your Ulster-Scots family tree with anyone recorded in 
the muster.

And thanks for your efforts in promoting CTI at the Conference; it truly is a 
community website with quality resources with all submissions offered on a 
voluntary basis.

Many thanks and continued good fortune with your research.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia (volunteer transcriber and submitter of 
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 12:57:49 AM
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Roll of Sir Robert Stewart's Regiment, Raphoe, Co. Donegal 1642

Bless you Len! I have been in Salt Lake City the past week with Fintan Mullin 
and he says “another win for Len!” Found my ancestor John McIlray on the list 
and also the names of families who married with the family later. What a treat!

Cheers
Kathleen

PS I have been boosting the CTI site all week.

On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 6:14 AM Jim McKane via CoTyroneList 
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Muster Roll of Sir Robert Stewart's Regiment, Raphoe, Co. Donegal 
1642

AND Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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2018-10-20 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Greetings Bobby – delighted to hear from you and trust all is going well. Many 
thanks for your kind sentiments; I will accept the medal/ award during my next 
foray in Belfast……….!

The 1642 Muster Roll of Sir Robert Stewart’s Regiment at Raphoe, Co. Donegal is 
such an early and extensive record and I note that many family names are also 
found on the eastern bank of the Foyle in north Tyrone in the parishes of 
Donagheady, Leckpatrick and Camus (Strabane) – the glue being the vast Abercorn 
estate which straddled both the western and eastern flanks of the River Foyle.

For the interest of North Tyrone and East Donegal researchers, I have 
transcribed the earliest Abercorn muster rolls, rentals and leasebooks 
commencing 1777 for CTI
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/rental/abercorn_cloghogle.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/abercorn_tenants2.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/muster/derrygoon.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/derrygoon2.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/donelong2.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/abercorn_donelong.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/muster/donelong.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/dunnalongmuster1631.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/muster/leckpatrick.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/abercorn_strabane6.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/misc/address_fyffe.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/muster/magevelin_lismocherry.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/cloghogalmuster1631.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/abercorn_churchlands.html
and others

Thanks Bobby!

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Roll of Sir Robert Stewart's Regiment, Raphoe, Co. Donegal 1642


Wow - I am aware of this source as it contains over 1200 names -


Dear Len - you deserve a medal -


Bobby


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of Sir Robert Stewart's Regiment, Raphoe, Co. Donegal 1642

Muster Roll of Sir Robert Stewart's Regiment, Raphoe, Co. Donegal 
1642

AND Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information

2018-10-17 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Thanks for your helpful and insightful response Elwyn.

Ron,

It is not possible to locate any information relevant to the company G H Parke; 
perhaps you are thinking of GOWAN, PARKE & CO of Belfast? This company was, 
amongst many things maritime, agents for shipping and emigration agents, 
representing Glasgow and Liverpool shipping companies, including the famed 
Black Ball Line out of Liverpool. The company did not operate a fleet of ships 
under their own name.

Belfast Newsletter December 4 1855
[cid:image001.jpg@01D46671.D29ED830]

Their advertisements were published in every edition of the Belfast Newsletter 
indicating great activity in the emigration trade. The Belfast Newsletter is 
accessible via Findmypast.

Hope this assists your research,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Possibly worth bearing in mind that whilst there were direct ships from Ireland 
to Canada and elsewhere throughout the 1800s, there were far more from 
Liverpool. Liverpool acted as a clearing house for migrants from all over 
Europe, and had far more departures than from Ireland. Competition for the 
passengers was fierce with ships agents routinely throwing in cost of the short 
passage from Ireland to Liverpool free (together with dodgy accommodation in 
Liverpool), as part of the ticket price. Many more migrants in the 1800s left 
Ireland via Liverpool than left directly from Ireland. Significant numbers also 
left via Glasgow. For background, see:

http://donegalancestry.com/donegal/emigration/


Elwyn

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 1:20 PM Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:

Hi Lola

I hope you are well and had a good summer. I have searched the Quebec Mercury 
for information on the shipping news as youi suggested and it was wonderful. I 
believe my family probably took one of G.H. Parke ships as their line made the 
most crossings and some such as the Dumfries Shire is listed as having 276 
steerage passengers. I have tried to access the Belfast newsletter as you 
suggested in hopes more information is there but I can only find subscriptions 
to it? Could you tell me if it is a paid or free site you are using? I also 
wonder if you know anything about the G.H. Parke co. as there seems to be 
nothing on line about them? Thank you for your help.

cheers

Ron McCoy

On 2018-08-18 11:07 AM, Iola Whiteside via CoTyroneList wrote:
Hi Ron,  Iola here.   I just google both the Belfast Newsletter archives and 
the Quebec Mercury.  The webpage for the Mercury is in French but the newspaper 
printed in English.  It is east to navigate.  Just click on the calendar ikon 
on the right side, find the year, month etc.  I took a quick look and the ships 
arriving in 1828 are listed.  I hope this helps and let me know if I can be of 
further assistance.
Iola.

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Hi All

Thanks for the information. The lack of shipping list is a problem and as has 
been noted travel between Canada and Ireland was not registered. A real 
problem... I have tried the steam ship lines from Quebec to Montreal with out 
success but they also ran Bateaux service which is how I assume they must have 
come. I think  the suggestion of the Belfast News, The Quebec Mercury or the JJ 
Cooke shipping records might give me the names of ships that would have sailed 
out of Belfast and arrived in Quebec in the time I suspect. That would be a 
great help.

Iola would you have the online site that these can be found on? Thank you all 
for your help

Cheers

Ron McCoy

On 2018-08-17 9:33 AM, Elizabeth Vervaeke via CoTyroneList wrote:
My family came from Brackagh (Errigal  Keerogue)
through Londonderry on the Sesosthis in 1847 .  I was able to find their 
passenger list from the JJ Cooke Shipping records . There are many ships listed.
Perhaps it’s worth a search here ...

https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/qu_seth1847.shtml

Kind Regards

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:30 AM Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList 
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wrote:
Hi all
I have tried several times to find sailing records for the year 1828
from Belfast to Canada. This is the year I believe my family and their
neighbours left Tyrone and immigrated. However I am told there is no
passenger records in the early years of the 1800's. I was wondering if
there was  a list some where of just ships names that sailed even if
there was not 

[CoTyroneMailingList] Muster Rolls and New Model Army

2018-10-14 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Vicky,

Jim McKane has forwarded your query for me to respond; subscribers to CTI 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/  may find the information interesting. I am not 
an historian or an expert in anything, but have searched online for articles 
that may assist you –
The c1630 Muster Rolls are well-covered in the work of the late Bob Hunter, an 
Ulster historian of great  note:
http://www.therjhuntercollection.com/resources/muster-rolls-c-1630/introduction/
and
The New Model Army is covered in this Wikipedia item:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Model_Army

Trust this is useful,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


Dear Jim McKane,
Is it possible to answer a couple of generic Questions I have?
1) How did the word get out for the Counties to Muster? ie: 1630?
2) Given that Ulster Planters were, for the most part, Royalists, would they, 
after the 1641 Rebellions were over, have possibly joined the New Model Army?
Thank you for any insight you could provide me. It would be much appreciated.
Best Regards,
Vicky Jacobs


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] These are my ancestor's Townlands-question. CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Archbishopric of Armagh Estate: Tenant of the Lease: Sir Robert Staples Knight, 1703

2018-10-10 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Peggy,

Pleased that you have found useful and interesting data. Evelyn’s extractions 
are of quite some relevance to your research due to their early eighteenth 
century creation.

Prior to the c1860 Griffiths Valuation, there are the Tithe Applotment Books; I 
have posted numerous alerts to this mailing list as to the essential value of 
these records. For those researchers unaware, both Unagh and Coolreaghs 
townlands belong to LISSAN civil parish Co. Tyrone

I have indexed all Co. Tyrone tithe applotment books: that for Lissan was 
compiled in 1827 and can be found at 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/menus/tithe.html The TABs have been filmed by 
the LDS and images of the original entries may be viewed online at any LDS 
Family History Centre.

Knipe was recorded as Snipe in Lissan, but in the adjacent parishes of 
Derryloran (Co. Tyrone) and Eglish and Kilmore (Co. Armagh) and Artea (Co. 
Londonderry) tithe payers were recorded as Knipe.

To ascertain the arrival of Knipes in Unagh it would be necessary to search the 
extremely large Archbishopric of Armagh Estate archive which is housed in 
PRONI, Belfast. These records are not available online.

McGeaghs are recorded in the 1796 Lissan Flaxseed Premiums, but not Knipes.
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/lissan.html

Hope this helps,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] These are my ancestor's Townlands-question. 
CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Archbishopric of Armagh Estate: Tenant of 
the Lease: Sir Robert Staples Knight, 1703

Thanks for this!
It includes the 2 Townlands my Grandfather and ancestors came from.
121 - - 32 Ouna Als Guinagh (Unagh) and 130 – 3- 8 Coleraghs als 
Curreaghs.(Coolreaghs)
Is there a way to bridge the gap from the 1703 record when there were very 
people people in Unagh and Coolreaghs, to the Griffiths, so find out when my 
ancestors arrived?
The names involved are McGeagh and Knipe.
>From what I've learned, Mcgeagh was there first and the Unagh National School 
>House was on his land.
Margaret McGeagh (I don't know her Father's name) married Thomas Knipe, they 
then aquired the land adjoining the School House and taught there, as did their 
son Robert Thomson Knipe, my G.Grandfather. They farmed the land.

  *   


Thomas Knipe *
1798–1892
  *   

Margaret McGeagh *
1814–1891

 Any help is greatly appreciated!
Peggy Knipe Gish


Thank you, Peggy (Margaret) Gish
pbg...@yahoo.ca (NOT.com)
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Archbishopric of Armagh Estate: Tenant of the Lease: Sir Robert Staples Knight, 
1703

Archbishopric of Armagh Estate: Tenant of the Lease: Sir Robert Staples Knight, 
1703

Thanks again to Evelyn Cardwell &  Len Swindley for another great addition to 
CTI!


Jim McKane
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Sad Tragedy of the Daniel McGinlay family, Tievenny, Ardstraw parish, Co. Tyrone 1841

2018-09-27 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers,

Life was not always a bed of roses for our Tyrone forebears (offering great 
encouragement for emigration) and occasionally there were catastrophic events 
as reported in the Londonderry Journal in February 1841

February 16 1841
AWFUL CATASTROPHE. – On Friday, the 5th inst., Mrs. McGinlay, wife of Mr. 
Daniel McGinlay, of Tivenny, in the parish of Ardstraw, having left his house 
with the intention of procuring some cure for one of her children, which had 
been scalded; and, having fastened the door, left her three children and a pig 
inside. The distance she had to go was about a mile, it was some time before 
she returned, and, melancholy to relate, the house took fire, and we regret to 
state, that her three children and the pig were consumed to ashes. How the fire 
originated is impossible to conjecture. [The McGinlay family are not recorded 
at Tievenny in neither the Ardstraw parish tithe applotment books (1833 & 1834) 
or Griffiths Valuation (1858)]. (Londonderry Journal)

What a tragedy!

Regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia (volunteer transcriber of files 
submitted to CoTyroneIreland) http://www.cotyroneireland.com/



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[CoTyroneMailingList] Sad Tragedy of the Daniel McGinlay family, Tievenny, Ardstraw parish, Co. Tyrone 1841

2018-09-27 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers,

Life was not always a bed of roses for our Tyrone forebears (offering great 
encouragement for emigration) and occasionally there were catastrophic events 
as reported in the Londonderry Journal in February 1841

February 16 1841
AWFUL CATASTROPHE. – On Friday, the 5th inst., Mrs. McGinlay, wife of Mr. 
Daniel McGinlay, of Tivenny, in the parish of Ardstraw, having left his house 
with the intention of procuring some cure for one of her children, which had 
been scalded; and, having fastened the door, left her three children and a pig 
inside. The distance she had to go was about a mile, it was some time before 
she returned, and, melancholy to relate, the house took fire, and we regret to 
state, that her three children and the pig were consumed to ashes. How the fire 
originated is impossible to conjecture. [The McGinlay family are not recorded 
at Tievenny in neither the Ardstraw parish tithe applotment books (1833 & 1834) 
or Griffiths Valuation (1858)]. (Londonderry Journal)

What a tragedy!

Regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia (volunteer transcriber of files 
submitted to CoTyroneIreland) http://www.cotyroneireland.com/



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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Wilson Family Notes, Co. Londonderry, Ireland 1823-69

2018-09-22 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Good Morning Margaret,



Nice hearing from you. There were many Wilson families in Ulster and my 
submissions for Cos. Tyrone, Fermanagh, Donegal and Londonderry perhaps were 
perhaps useful to researchers. Sorry that I was unable to assist your research, 
 but better luck at another time!



All the best,

Len



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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Wilson Family Notes, Co. Londonderry, Ireland 
1823-69

Thanks for these Wilson Notes Len.
Unfortunately when the majority of one’s Wilsons were named James and the 
others Robert it is very
difficult to work out who is related to whom.

Margaret in Oz.






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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Presbyterian church

2018-09-12 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Nancy,

Presbyterian churches did not generally keep burial registers. The 
congregations of both the 1st and 2nd Presbyterian Churches of Donagheady 
favoured Grange Burial Ground (the site of a pre-Reformation Augustinian 
monastery in the townland of Grange) as their place of rest 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/graveyard/grange.html
Copies of civil registration death certificates are available freely online at 
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ The registration district is Strabane.
There are many files relating to both of the above churches and their 
congregations at http://www.cotyroneireland.com/

Hope this helps and good luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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   Does the Presbyterian church of Donagheady in Strabane, County Tyrone 
have a cemetery ??  I’m particulary  interested in anyone buried there by the 
name of Gibson or Porter   in 1880-1895 [Donougheady Presbyterian Church]
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Tullyallen Cemetery Records

2018-09-09 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Sharon,

Are you referring to the Roman Catholic chapel and graveyard at Tullyallen, 
KILLEESHIL parish, Co. Tyrone?
There is a list of burials extracted from headstones (includes some photos) 
from the time frame you require at 
http://www.irishgraveyards.ie/search.php?lastname===264=1

Referring to the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) website Guide 
to Church Records, 
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records a list of 
deaths 1816-75 has survived and has been filmed and is available for 
consultation in Belfast Ref.: 1D/33. I am unable to offer a reason as to why 
records of pre1845 deaths are NOT available online at https://registers.nli.ie/ 
the National Library of Ireland database of Catholic Registers.

Hope this helps and good luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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I am new to the list and apologize if I am requesting help incorrectly. I am 
looking for help with finding records for burials in this cemetery, 1830-1890.
I welcome corrections to my format. Thank you all so much.
Sharon Donnelly

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Sorry,  I cannot bring the attachments up, even when I down load to desk top,  
only the few lines of mixed signs come up on top.   Bobbie



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How fun to know both of you.   Love,   Bobbie

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Yes. We are related and have been researching our Donagheady, Leckpatrick and 
Strabane forebears for in excess of thirty years.



Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Do you know Faye Logue??   She and I have done research for over 20 years ago.  
She lives in Queensland, Australia.  bobbie

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Thank you Roberta; am delighted to assist! Every success with your research.



Regards,

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2018-09-08 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Yes. We are related and have been researching our Donagheady, Leckpatrick and 
Strabane forebears for in excess of thirty years.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Do you know Faye Logue??   She and I have done research for over 20 years ago.  
She lives in Queensland, Australia.  bobbie

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Thank you Roberta; am delighted to assist! Every success with your research.



Regards,

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Thank you for this update. I have discovered another relative that l did not 
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Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

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Regards,
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Parish Church, St. Eugene's Church of Ireland, Co. Tyrone Marriages 1845-70

Cappagh Parish Church, St. Eugene's Church of Ireland, Co. Tyrone Marriages 
1845-70

This is a MASSIVE update with 117 marriages!

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] William Thompson search

2018-09-06 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello again Bobbie,

Why not contact the contributor who posted the information you refer to; it is 
at odds with records I have sourced from surviving records in Ireland (have 
researched in London, Dublin and Belfast on six separate occasions and have 
access to LDS filmed records).

You quote year of emigration of the Thomsons as 2005-6, but perhaps you mean 
1805-6? Very few shipping records survive prior to 1900; whatever has survived 
will be found in the US.

Am not sure which map you have been looking at, but there is no townland called 
Derry in Artrea parish. A map of the parish can be found on CTI 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/townlands/images/ArboeArtreaBallyclogBallinderry.pdf

Surviving church records for ARTREA parish as recorded on the online website of 
the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland 
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records
are as indicated

CHURCH OF IRELAND (ANGLICAN)
ARTREA, COS LONDONDERRY AND TYRONE C.I. Artrea (Armagh diocese) Baptisms, 
1811-85, with gaps; marriages, 1811-1935, with gaps; burials, 1812-70, with 
gaps; confirmations, 1824, 1828, 1843, 1849, 1852, 1856, 1859 and 1863; vestry 
minutes, 1723-1904; list of rectors, 1724-1914; preachers’ book, 1829-39. 
MIC583/11; MIC1/319
Copy of vestry minutes, September 1730. T500/3
Register of vestrymen, 1870-; preachers’ books, 184560 and 1882-. In local 
custody

C.I. Ballyeglish (Armagh diocese) [Formed out of Artrea and Tamlaght]
Baptisms, 1868-71; burials, 1868-77; confirmations, 1879, 1882 and 1888. 
MIC583/15
Baptisms, 1872-; marriages, 1868-; burials, 1878-; vestry minutes, 1868-; 
confirmations, 1894; registers of vestrymen, 1870-. In local custody

C.I.  Woods Chapel  (Armagh diocese)  Baptisms, 1807 (or 1808)-97; marriages, 
1808-45; burials, 1808-89; vestry minutes, 1792-1895; poor list, 1818; seat 
list, 1826; confirmations, 1809, 1816, 1824, 1837, 1840, 1843, 1846, 1849, 
1856, 1859, 1866, 1870 and 1876. MIC1/97
Census of the parish, 1829. T308
Baptisms, 1897-; marriages, 1845-; burials, 1889-; confirmations, 1876-; 
graveyard map and list, 1913. In local custody

MORAVIAN
MOR. Gracefield  Diaries, 1759-1902, with gaps; baptisms, 1750-1931; marriages, 
1814-44, 1852 and 1869-1909; burials, 1765-1930; register of members with an 
index, 17591873, with gaps, etc. MIC1F/31

PRESBYTERIAN
P.  1st Moneymore Baptisms, 1827-1959; marriages, 1827-34 and 18451936; 
communion rolls, 1882 and 1902. MIC1P/339
P.  2nd Moneymore Baptisms, 1845-1949; marriages, 1868-1910.  MIC1P/340
P.  Saltersland Baptisms, 1848-1923; marriages, 1845-1921. MIC1P/447

ROMAN CATHOLIC
R.C. Ardtrea and Desertlin (Moneymore) (Armagh diocese)
Baptisms, 1832-4, 1838-43 and 1854-1939; marriages, 1830-43 and 1854-1937, with 
gaps. MIC1D/35; T305

Apart from the Catholic registers, none of the above are available online.

CHURCH OF IRELAND (ANGLICAN)
ARTREA, COS LONDONDERRY AND TYRONE C.I. Artrea (Armagh diocese) Baptisms, 
1811-85, with gaps; marriages, 1811-1935, with gaps; burials, 1812-70, with 
gaps; confirmations, 1824, 1828, 1843, 1849, 1852, 1856, 1859 and 1863; vestry 
minutes, 1723-1904; list of rectors, 1724-1914; preachers’ book, 1829-39. 
MIC583/11; MIC1/319
Copy of vestry minutes, September 1730. T500/3
Register of vestrymen, 1870-; preachers’ books, 184560 and 1882-. In local 
custody

C.I. Ballyeglish (Armagh diocese) [Formed out of Artrea and Tamlaght]
Baptisms, 1868-71; burials, 1868-77; confirmations, 1879, 1882 and 1888. 
MIC583/15
Baptisms, 1872-; marriages, 1868-; burials, 1878-; vestry minutes, 1868-; 
confirmations, 1894; registers of vestrymen, 1870-. In local custody

C.I.  Woods Chapel  (Armagh diocese)  Baptisms, 1807 (or 1808)-97; marriages, 
1808-45; burials, 1808-89; vestry minutes, 1792-1895; poor list, 1818; seat 
list, 1826; confirmations, 1809, 1816, 1824, 1837, 1840, 1843, 1846, 1849, 
1856, 1859, 1866, 1870 and 1876. MIC1/97
Census of the parish, 1829. T308
Baptisms, 1897-; marriages, 1845-; burials, 1889-; confirmations, 1876-; 
graveyard map and list, 1913. In local custody

MORAVIAN
MOR. Gracefield  Diaries, 1759-1902, with gaps; baptisms, 1750-1931; marriages, 
1814-44, 1852 and 1869-1909; burials, 1765-1930; register of members with an 
index, 17591873, with gaps, etc. MIC1F/31

PRESBYTERIAN
P.  1st Moneymore Baptisms, 1827-1959; marriages, 1827-34 and 18451936; 
communion rolls, 1882 and 1902. MIC1P/339
P.  2nd Moneymore Baptisms, 1845-1949; marriages, 1868-1910.  MIC1P/340
P.  Saltersland Baptisms, 1848-1923; marriages, 1845-1921. MIC1P/447

ROMAN CATHOLIC
R.C. Ardtrea and Desertlin (Moneymore) (Armagh diocese)
Baptisms, 1832-4, 1838-43 and 1854-1939; marriages, 1830-43 and 1854-1937, with 
gaps. MIC1D/35; T305

Using the above website you can look at the Tempo, Co. Fermanagh records and 
ascertain if the record you seek has survived .
It is unlikely that I can assist you further due to the confusion within the 
records you quote and an inability to offer a guess at the 

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] William Thompson search

2018-09-06 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Robbie,

Thanks for your query relating to your forebear WILLIAM THOMPSON.

The only tithe applotment book surviving for Artrea Parish (Cos. Tyrone and 
Londonderry) is dated 1825. I was referring to the LDS film which contains 
these records on Wednesday and can confirm that there were no Thompsons 
recorded in the townland in 1825 - see 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/titheindex.html for a description of these 
important records.

However, there was a Wm. Thompson recorded as a tithe payer in Mowillian 
(Mawillian) townland in the Co. Londonderry portion of the parish. I am 
unfamiliar with the records you quote, preferring to go to the original source. 
So next looked at Griffiths Valuation c1860 (records heads of households) 
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ and was unable to locate any 
Thompsons residing in either townland, however Thompsons are recorded in other 
townlands in the parish.
TITHE PAYERS RECORDED IN ENNISKILLEN TOWNLAND (ARDTREA (aka ARTREA) PARISH, 
1825), CO. TYRONE, NORTHERN IRELAND
PRONI (Public Record Office of Northern Ireland, Belfast) Ref.: FIN 5A/22
LDS FHL Film #258444
SURNAME

GIVEN NAME

TOWNLAND

BAXTER

Jno.

Enniskillen

BAXTER

Wm.

Enniskillen

CLENDINNING

Henry

Enniskillen

DUNN

Andrew

Enniskillen

DUNN

James

Enniskillen

DUNN

James (Reynold’s farm)

Enniskillen

DUNN

Jno.

Enniskillen

DUNN

Robt.

Enniskillen

DUNN

Thos.

Enniskillen

FERGUSON

Adam & partners

Enniskillen

FERGUSON

Jno.

Enniskillen

FERGUSON

Rotbt.

Enniskillen

IRWINE

Adam

Enniskillen

MEAHAN

Wm.

Enniskillen

MECORD

Thos., Sen.

Enniskillen

MECORD

Thos., Jun.

Enniskillen

MECORD

Widow

Enniskillen

MECORD

Wm.

Enniskillen

WILEY

Wm.

Enniskillen


You did not state the religious denomination of the Thompsons (i.e. Church of 
Ireland, Presbyterian or Roman Catholic); this is essential knowledge when 
researching in Ireland.

Hope this is useful,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia (volunteer transcriber and submitter of 
hopefully useful files to CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/



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Bobbie Reihsen via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2018 5:50:10 PM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Bobbie Reihsen
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] William Thompson search

 Found William Thompson in

 Co. Tyrone,  Enniskillen townland, Artrea Parish, PLU - Cookstown, Ulster, 
Northern Ireland.

In the International Land Records: Tithe Applotment Books if Ireland, 1823 - 
1838. pg. 262



Query:  Searching for records of names of wife and children,  occupation,  
birth and death information.


Thank you.  Bobbie Reihsen
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Benburb Presbyterian Church, Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone Marriages 1845-62

2018-08-31 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Dorothy,

Many thanks for your thanks: I continue to hope that researchers find my 
postings and submissions useful and interesting. Many family names in Ireland 
were recorded as they were heard and spelt phonetically. During my years of 
researching and transcribing I have found McQuade spelt variously:  McQaid, 
McQuead, McWade, McWaid and possibly more. All spellings may be located through 
a search on CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/

All good wishes,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
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James McKane via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 7:08:48 AM
To: County Tyrone
Cc: James McKane
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Benburb 
Presbyterian Church, Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone Marriages 1845-62

Using our Search Every Name page - http://cotyroneireland.com/names.php which 
is only in its infancy, I believe I found her on this page - 
http://cotyroneireland.com/births/coagh.html

Give it a look
Jim

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario


On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 2:49 PM Dorothy Gaunt via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Hi Len
Thank you for this (and for all your posts). I scrolled through in the fond 
hope of finding a McQuade ancestor. I didn’t really expect to as I knew fromRC 
baptisms that Mary Ann McQuade, from Clontyclay, Clonfeacle, was baptised in 
1822. But she married John Clark in Monifieth, Scotland, and the Clarks were 
staunch Presbyterians. It must have been difficult for her to raise her 
children outside her faith. Even into the 20th century these Clarks were 
scathing of Roman Catholics.
Dorothy in New Zealand

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On 29/08/2018, at 3:43 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:

Hello Gordon,
Very few Presbyterian congregations in Ireland kept burial registers and only 
just a handful in Ulster. All families of a parish historically had burial 
rights in the parish graveyard which was in most cases, attached to the parish 
church (Church of Ireland); it was not until the 1860s-80s that Catholics and 
Presbyterians gained their own graveyards. Generally, the C of I burial 
register did not include the deaths and burials of Catholic and Presbyterian 
families. See my file http://www.cotyroneireland.com/misc/bells.html where the 
rector of Stewartstown, Co. Tyrone refused the church bell be tolled during the 
burial of a Presbyterian
Surviving records for Benburb Presbyterian Congregation have been filmed by the 
staff of PRONI (Public Record Office of Northern Ireland), Belfast where they 
may be consulted:
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records
CLONFEACLE PARISH, Co. Tyrone
PRESBYTERIAN: BENBURB
BAPTISMS, 1874-1985; MARRIAGES, 1827-8 and 1845-1936; COMMITTEE MINUTES, 
1858-1923
PRONI, Belfast Refs: MIC1P/60 & MIC1P/460
Trust this clarifies the (rather sad) situation,
Len Swindley



Len,
Apropos, Benburb Presbyterian Church, Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone Marriages 
1845-62<https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/benburbpres.html>
a v. useful list - thanks. Do you have anything on burials at this church, same 
time frame?
Gordon Wilkinson, (Currently in Perth)
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Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 7:44:10 PM
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Subject: CoTyroneIreland.com<http://CoTyroneIreland.com> - New Content - 
Benburb Presbyterian Church, Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone Marriages 1845-62

Benburb Presbyterian Church, Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone Marriages 
1845-62<https://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/benburbpres.html>

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Benburb Presbyterian Church, Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone Marriages 1845-62

2018-08-28 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Gordon,
Very few Presbyterian congregations in Ireland kept burial registers and only 
just a handful in Ulster. All families of a parish historically had burial 
rights in the parish graveyard which was in most cases, attached to the parish 
church (Church of Ireland); it was not until the 1860s-80s that Catholics and 
Presbyterians gained their own graveyards. Generally, the C of I burial 
register did not include the deaths and burials of Catholic and Presbyterian 
families. See my file http://www.cotyroneireland.com/misc/bells.html where the 
rector of Stewartstown, Co. Tyrone refused the church bell be tolled during the 
burial of a Presbyterian
Surviving records for Benburb Presbyterian Congregation have been filmed by the 
staff of PRONI (Public Record Office of Northern Ireland), Belfast where they 
may be consulted:
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records
CLONFEACLE PARISH, Co. Tyrone
PRESBYTERIAN: BENBURB
BAPTISMS, 1874-1985; MARRIAGES, 1827-8 and 1845-1936; COMMITTEE MINUTES, 
1858-1923
PRONI, Belfast Refs: MIC1P/60 & MIC1P/460
Trust this clarifies the (rather sad) situation,
Len Swindley



Len,
Apropos, Benburb Presbyterian Church, Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone Marriages 
1845-62
a v. useful list - thanks. Do you have anything on burials at this church, same 
time frame?
Gordon Wilkinson, (Currently in Perth)
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Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 7:44:10 PM
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Subject: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Benburb Presbyterian Church, 
Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone Marriages 1845-62

Benburb Presbyterian Church, Clonfeacle Parish, Co. Tyrone Marriages 
1845-62

Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Biographies - Dr. James Stewart

2018-08-27 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Jim,

Nicola Cousen’s thesis is certainly a great addition to CTI; James Stewart was 
a truly worthy and successful son of Donagheady parish, Co. Tyrone. And what a 
list of references and resources!

Many thanks, Nicola!

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Jim McKane 
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:38:10 PM
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Subject: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Biographies - Dr. James Stewart

Biographies - Dr James Stewart, Born Donagheady Parish, Co. Tyrone 1829, Died 
England 1906: An Irish Doctor and Philanthropist on the Ballarat Goldfields, 
Victoria, Australia

Thanks Nicola Cousen, BA, BSc for another great addition to CTI!


Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information

2018-08-22 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Great news Ron; good luck with your search

Len

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Cc: Ron McCoy
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information


Hi All

The Quebec Mercury has been a really valuable source of back ground 
information. I am learning a whole new language of shipping. Thank you lola for 
your suggestion this is a very good site. It takes some work to get used to it 
but reveals a great deal.

Thank you all for your help

Cheers

Ron McCoy

On 2018-08-18 11:07 AM, Iola Whiteside via CoTyroneList wrote:
Hi Ron,  Iola here.   I just google both the Belfast Newsletter archives and 
the Quebec Mercury.  The webpage for the Mercury is in French but the newspaper 
printed in English.  It is east to navigate.  Just click on the calendar ikon 
on the right side, find the year, month etc.  I took a quick look and the ships 
arriving in 1828 are listed.  I hope this helps and let me know if I can be of 
further assistance.
Iola.

From: Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 10:44 PM
To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com
Cc: Ron McCoy
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information


Hi All

Thanks for the information. The lack of shipping list is a problem and as has 
been noted travel between Canada and Ireland was not registered. A real 
problem... I have tried the steam ship lines from Quebec to Montreal with out 
success but they also ran Bateaux service which is how I assume they must have 
come. I think  the suggestion of the Belfast News, The Quebec Mercury or the JJ 
Cooke shipping records might give me the names of ships that would have sailed 
out of Belfast and arrived in Quebec in the time I suspect. That would be a 
great help.

Iola would you have the online site that these can be found on? Thank you all 
for your help

Cheers

Ron McCoy

On 2018-08-17 9:33 AM, Elizabeth Vervaeke via CoTyroneList wrote:
My family came from Brackagh (Errigal  Keerogue)
through Londonderry on the Sesosthis in 1847 .  I was able to find their 
passenger list from the JJ Cooke Shipping records . There are many ships listed.
Perhaps it’s worth a search here ...

https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/qu_seth1847.shtml

Kind Regards

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:30 AM Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Hi all
I have tried several times to find sailing records for the year 1828
from Belfast to Canada. This is the year I believe my family and their
neighbours left Tyrone and immigrated. However I am told there is no
passenger records in the early years of the 1800's. I was wondering if
there was  a list some where of just ships names that sailed even if
there was not passenger lists. I am confident that they sailed after
iceberg season and arrived in the Montreal area around the end of August
or beginning of September of 1838. If I had a list of ships sailing out
of Belfast I might be able to deduce which ship they sailed on? If
anyone has experience or an idea where ships names or records that might
have sailed from Belfast it would be of great interest to me?
Cheers
Ron McCoy

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Cunningham

2018-08-18 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Libby,

This may not be of great assistance to your research, but an awareness of 
surviving church records covering the district where your forebears resided is 
useful; referring to the below it may not be possible ascertain the names of 
Andrew Cunningham’s parents

Public Record office of Northern Ireland (PRONI), Belfast online Guide to 
Church Records
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/publications/proni-guide-church-records
Errigal Keerogue Parish, Co. Tyrone
[cid:image001.jpg@01D437D0.7AC2A990]

Those microfilms indicated above are available for consultation at PRONI, 
Belfast. Hope this assists in a small way,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Cc: Elizabeth Vervaeke
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Cunningham

Thanks to this invaluable resource you have created I have been finally able to 
make a connection from a single handwritten entry in my gr-gr-gr grandfather 
Andrew Cunningham ‘s bible of  ‘ Brackagh ‘ to Errigal Keerogue. The were many 
possibilities of the location of Brackagh but thanks to the resource of Tithe 
Applotment Indices I believe we have at least a townland and parish.
Despite a large family settling in Simcoe County,  Ontario , Canada  we have 
yet to connect Andrew Cunningham and his wife Elizabeth Clarke to either of 
their parents.

Their children have been identified through the emigration passenger lists in 
1847 and through census and death records ( with the exception of my gr gr 
grandfather Charles ) here in Canada.

However I can find no information linking either of them to their families in 
County Tyrone   The only other Cunningham listed in Brackagh in the 1838 Tithe 
Applotment is Nathaniel Cunningham but relationship would only be an assumption

Finding  Andrew Cunningham’s father in Brackagh Errigal Keerogue, County Tyrone 
would be a great discovery. Can anyone be of assistance please?

Kind Regards
Elizabeth (Cunningham)  Vervaeke
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] The Northern Irish winter of 1946-7

2018-08-18 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Gordon,



Thanks for recalling your great childhood memories of the big chill of 1947 in 
Belfast and sharing them with us at CTI. Gosh!



You mention that your Wilkinson forebears hailed from Dungannon, Co. Tyrone and 
recalled that I may have an odd note on that family, so went looking 
anticipating that I may be successful.this is what it is possible to 
offer:



RANFURLY DOCUMENTS held in PRONI, Belfast

Ranfurly Estate, Dungannon - Lease Book 1750-1812

PRONI, Belfast Ref. D.O.D. 235

FHL Film #0258634

No.


Leaseholder


Lease Commenced


No. Lives


Named Lives


172


HUGH WILKINSON


1809


3 lives


HUGH WILKINSON, lessee, HUGH WILKINSON, son of THOS. WILKINSON of Cadien & 
JAMES ORR, son of JOSEPH ORR of Coolhill




Is it possible that these folk are your family?



Cadian lies within Clonfeacle parish: see my file of the CLONFEACLE TITHE 
APPLOTMENT BOOK (1833) for Wilkinson entries 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/t-a-clonfeacle.html

For an explanation of leases of lives see 
https://www.irishfamilyhistorycentre.com/article/lease-of-lives



Trust this of some assistance in your quest for your forebears?

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia





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Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 5:30:34 PM
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Cc: Gordon Wilkinson
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] The Northern Irish winter of 1946-7

G'day listers,

My Wilkinsons came from Dungannon and I have just been reading Viola's
lovely report of the Fermanagh Blizzard of Jan 1947,
 and well can I remember
that winter! I lived in Belfast at the time and enjoyed tobogganing in
the deep snow of that winter. Father was works manager of Patrick &
Wilkinson, Engineers, Belfast, and was able to secure steel runners for
our sled; steel for such frivolities being rare after the war!

By January '47 the path to our front door was covered with a solid layer
of ice (compacted snow) and I was instructed by my father to 'clear the
gangway' after school (his father being a marine engineer). It was hard
going for a young lad barely half Viola's age at that time and when
father arrived home, I complained how difficult it was to shovel the ice
off the slate flags (paving). "Why not cut it up into blocks and build
yourself an igloo?" he suggested. I asked what an igloo was and he
sketched the essentials. I built that igloo which, like Viola's snowmen,
remained long after the snow had melted and was still there come Easter.
'Twas  a cold winter to be sure an' all.

We couldn't get to Australia quickly enough and arrived here a year later!

Cheers, Gordon

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information

2018-08-18 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Ron,

I am pondering what evidence you have that states your forebears left Ireland 
via Belfast. The  Pomeroy district fell within the net cast by the Londonderry 
shipping companies: Kelso, Barry McCorkell and J & J Cooke. The considerable 
passenger trade to North America commenced in Londonderry c1720 and reached a 
peak during the Famine years and thereafter. Prior to the Famine, the great 
majority of emigrants were Presbyterians.
Online J & J Cooke records can be found on Olive Tree Genealogy and can be 
found at https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/jjcooke.shtml

Hope this assists your search,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 2:44:59 PM
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Cc: Ron McCoy
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] sailing information


Hi All

Thanks for the information. The lack of shipping list is a problem and as has 
been noted travel between Canada and Ireland was not registered. A real 
problem... I have tried the steam ship lines from Quebec to Montreal with out 
success but they also ran Bateaux service which is how I assume they must have 
come. I think  the suggestion of the Belfast News, The Quebec Mercury or the JJ 
Cooke shipping records might give me the names of ships that would have sailed 
out of Belfast and arrived in Quebec in the time I suspect. That would be a 
great help.

Iola would you have the online site that these can be found on? Thank you all 
for your help

Cheers

Ron McCoy

On 2018-08-17 9:33 AM, Elizabeth Vervaeke via CoTyroneList wrote:
My family came from Brackagh (Errigal  Keerogue)
through Londonderry on the Sesosthis in 1847 .  I was able to find their 
passenger list from the JJ Cooke Shipping records . There are many ships listed.
Perhaps it’s worth a search here ...

https://www.olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/qu_seth1847.shtml

Kind Regards

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 9:30 AM Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Hi all
I have tried several times to find sailing records for the year 1828
from Belfast to Canada. This is the year I believe my family and their
neighbours left Tyrone and immigrated. However I am told there is no
passenger records in the early years of the 1800's. I was wondering if
there was  a list some where of just ships names that sailed even if
there was not passenger lists. I am confident that they sailed after
iceberg season and arrived in the Montreal area around the end of August
or beginning of September of 1838. If I had a list of ships sailing out
of Belfast I might be able to deduce which ship they sailed on? If
anyone has experience or an idea where ships names or records that might
have sailed from Belfast it would be of great interest to me?
Cheers
Ron McCoy

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Dunn PRONI Burial Record Question: Donagheady Parish

2018-08-16 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Kerry,

Thanks for your query.

St. John’s C of I, Dunnalong, Bready, Co. Tyrone  was erected 1864/5 to serve 
the lower section of Donagheady parish; the first perpetual curate was  Rev. 
Frederick Clark (formerly curate of Donagheady parish church, Earlesgift,  
Donemana. http://leckpatrick.derry.anglican.org/dunnalongwrittenhistory.htm
https://www.flickr.com/photos/11287317@N04/2402226243/
There is a graveyard attached; perhaps Ellen was an earlier interment.
Have looked at the transcriptions of inscribed headstones at Donagheady Old 
Burial Ground, Benowen, Donemana and Grange Old Burial Ground – several for 
Dunn families, but none commemorate Ellen.  You have not stated her age at 
death nor the townland address.

Her burial is not recorded in the burial register of Donagheady parish church 
which may be searched on the Bready Ancestry http://www.breadyancestry.com/ 
although many Dunns are – it may be worthwhile to check out the many marriages 
and baptisms for family connections.

Her death was not announced in any of the Londonderry papers.

Sorry for the negative news, but hope this assists in your understanding of the 
situation as things were in Donagheady (and Ireland) at that time.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:47:58 AM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Kerry Dunn
Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Dunn PRONI Burial Record Question: Donagheady 
Parish

Hello Listers,

This is a basic question and I am fairly new to genealogy research. I hope to 
call upon Listers’ wisdom to understand a PRONI record.

The record for my ancestor, Ellen Taggart Dunn who died 7 Nov 1872, states that 
she was buried in Donagheady Parish, ceremony conducted by R. Clarke of 
Dunnalog. Does this mean that she was buried at the COI Donagheady Parish 
church in Donemana or just somewhere in the Parish?

Thanks for your help!
Kerry Dunn
Albany, California
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Knox and Patton Families: Clady Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68

2018-08-11 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Boyd,

Where does Ardstraw-born CHARLES KNOX who married ELIZABETH RUSSELL, emigrated 
to Auckland, New Zealand and amassed a considerable fortune fit into this 
family? See my file: 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/bornburied/BornTyroneDiedNewZealand.html#MRS._KNOX

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of Boyd 
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Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:54:12 AM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Cc: Boyd Gray
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Knox and Patton Families: Clady Presbyterian 
Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68

Hi Marsha,

Apologies for not responding sooner but I only just noticed this thread.

I have researched both the Knox family of Glentimon and the Patton family of 
Seein extensively for two Americans who will be "cousins" of yours  and I am 
sure they will be happy to share when I contact them.  Both visited me, 
Margaret Kuska in 2015 and Patton Adams earlier this summer.  If you check out 
my West Ulster Genealogy Facebook page, you will see reports of both research 
projects plus the visits of Margaret and Patton.

On the Knox family especially I have a very large collection of data.  Walter 
Knox, who had at least 8 siblings, was the son of a James Knox, 1772-1852, who 
married Martha Wilson, grandson of Walter Knox, who married Margaret McCrea, 
great grandson of Robert Knox, born c1710.  This family has a huge connection 
around Sion Mills; they married into the Woods family, who now own the land.  
Walter had at least two children, James Patton Knox, who married Minnie Young 
and John Knox, who married Rose Cunningham, both brothers living in Iowa at the 
time.

I have less on the Pattons because I never tied these Pattons into the Pattons 
I was researching.  However, Walter's father, James Patton, 1795-1870, held 
Plot 8 in Seein, of circa 33 acres, where he lived along with an Eliza Patton, 
possibly his mother.

Please feel free to contact me direct.

Regards,

Boyd

https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/



On 11 August 2018 at 17:21, Dave Mitchell via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Hello Marsha

Just to add another snippet to your Knox-Patton relationship (just in case it 
may assist) ….

PRONI lists the will for Letitia Patton of Ballymagorry (died 27 June 1928), 
the wife of Patrick Patton, retired farmer.

Under her maiden name, she is mentioned as “Letitia Chambers” in the will of 
her uncle John Knox at Drumenny (died 3 November 1898).  It would appear that 
her mother was a Knox from a family at Urney (and also Drumenny), also that 
Letitia was a niece of Rev. Robert Knox, Linenhall Street, Belfast, and a 
granddaughter of Hugh Knox of Urney (lived at Stephenstown), the longstanding 
church elder who died at Urney on 2 July 1852.

Should this help you, please do drop me a line.

Kind regards

David Mitchell
Cape Town
South Africa


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Cc: Len Swindley mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>>; 
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Knox and Patton Families: Clady Presbyterian 
Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68

Hello Marsha,

There are several of my files on CoTyroneIreland.com 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ that contain a great amount of data on your 
KNOX and PATTON forebears. The townlands of Glentimon and Sion (spelt 
variously) are both located in Urney Parish:

TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK URNEY PARISH 1825-27 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/urney_tithe.html

SPINNING WHEEL BOUNTY LIST URNEY PARISH 1796 INDEXED 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/spinning-wheel-URNEY.html

URNEY PRESBYTERIAN STIPEND PAYERS AND PEW HOLDERS 1862 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/urney_stipend.html

URNEY PRESBYTERIAN MARRIAGES 1845-71 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/urney.html

URNEY PARISH MARRIAGE ANNOUNCEMENTS 1826-69 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/UrneyMarriages.html

URNEY PARISH DEATH ANNOUNCEMENTS 1826-69 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/urney.html

KNOX FAMILY NOTES CO. TYRONE http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/knox.html

ABERCORN ESTATE RENTAL FOR THE MANOR OF STRABANE 1806 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/abercorn_strabane2.html

There will be several further files that should prove useful, but those above 
contain the greatest amount of data. And many thanks for your kind sentiments; 
I enjoy receiving messages from researchers who have benefitted from my 
submissions. Good luck searching the above records and regards,

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Knox and Patton Families: Clady Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68

2018-08-09 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Marsha,

There are several of my files on CoTyroneIreland.com 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ that contain a great amount of data on your 
KNOX and PATTON forebears. The townlands of Glentimon and Sion (spelt 
variously) are both located in Urney Parish:

TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK URNEY PARISH 1825-27 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/urney_tithe.html

SPINNING WHEEL BOUNTY LIST URNEY PARISH 1796 INDEXED 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/flax/spinning-wheel-URNEY.html

URNEY PRESBYTERIAN STIPEND PAYERS AND PEW HOLDERS 1862 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/churchrecord/urney_stipend.html

URNEY PRESBYTERIAN MARRIAGES 1845-71 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/urney.html

URNEY PARISH MARRIAGE ANNOUNCEMENTS 1826-69 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/UrneyMarriages.html

URNEY PARISH DEATH ANNOUNCEMENTS 1826-69 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/burial/urney.html

KNOX FAMILY NOTES CO. TYRONE http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/knox.html

ABERCORN ESTATE RENTAL FOR THE MANOR OF STRABANE 1806 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/abercorn_strabane2.html

There will be several further files that should prove useful, but those above 
contain the greatest amount of data. And many thanks for your kind sentiments; 
I enjoy receiving messages from researchers who have benefitted from my 
submissions. Good luck searching the above records and regards,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
Volunteer transcriber and submitter of records to CoTyroneIreland.com  
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/

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From: Marsha Heaston 
Sent: Thursday, August 9, 2018 2:26:02 AM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com
Subject: Clady Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68

Dear Sir,

I would like to thank you for transcribing these records.  From this 
transcription I learned where my Great, great Grandfather lived in Ireland.  It 
continues to be a journey to find him in the US.  Apparently his wife left and 
returned to Ireland with my great grandfather and his brother, only to die 
somewhere and leaving her two little boys with her Patton family.  Fortunately, 
the boys return to the US with and are raised and educated by their uncle 
Thomas Patton.  But previous history on the parents remains a mystery.

Again many thanks for your excellent work.

Sincerely,
Marsha Heaston
Clady Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw Parish Marriages 1845-68
Registration District of Strabane (that section within Co. Tyrone)
Extracted from 47 FHL films of Civil Registration of Marriages in Ireland
Transcribed, compiled and submitted by Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
len_swindley[at]hotmail.com
#26

February 14 1853

WALTER KNOX full age bachelor farmer Glentimon. Father: JAMES KNOX (dead) farmer
&
MARY PATTON full age spinster Sion. Father: JAMES PATTON (living) farmer
Witnesses: DAVID WOODS & WILLIAM PATTON

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Thanks for transcription

2018-08-08 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Thank you Robin,

Wonderful to learn of your success with the Longfield West tithe applotment 
book of 1826 and many thanks for your thanks. Your message confirms everything 
I have been aware of for many years; the tithe applotments are essential for 
locating the families and townlands of emigrants who left Ireland prior to and 
during the Great Famine 1845-50.

I encourage researchers to refer to them on CoTyroneIreland.com 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/  The search site for the transcribed and 
indexed Tithe Applotment Books for all 43 Tyrone parishes is  
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/search.php  These complete indexes are not 
available in their entirety elsewhere.

Perhaps I should alert non-Australian researchers that immigration and civil 
registration records in the old colonies of New South Wales and Victoria make 
it a fairly (generally) easy task to reach back into the late eighteenth 
century; a marriage or death certificate containing the names of parents 
(including mothers’ maiden names) and place of birth (yes, townland and 
parish!) is not unusual.

Thanks again Robin,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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From: Robin Oxenbury 
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2018 11:12:14 PM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com
Subject: Thanks for transcription

Hello Len,
Just a note of thanks for your effort of transcribing LONGFIELD WEST TITHE 
APPLOTMENT BOOK –1826, PRONI: FIN 5A/204/1 & 2
In that one document I have found all 4 of my Tyrone ancestors, confirming my 
previous research
I never dreamed I would find the actual towns my ancestors came from after 180 
years.
Cheers from Sydney
Robin

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Name Index Update

2018-08-06 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Katie,

I just don’t know how and when (if ever) all Ardboe parish records will be 
available online; however there are many Ardboe records on the web available 
for searching as we speak:

County Tyrone Genealogy Research website http://www.cotyroneireland.com/
INDEX TO ARDBOE TITHE APPLOTMENT BOOK 1826 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/ardboe.html
HEARTH MONEY ROLLS ARDBOE PARISH 1670 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/hearth/arboe.html

ARDBOE ROMAN CATHOLIC REGISTERS: Baptisms: November 1827-December 1880 
Marriage: November 1827-March 1881 https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0181
GRIFFITHS VALUATION c1860: Ask About Ireland 
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
FLAXGROWERS LIST 1796 can be searched on Ancestry.com 
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/

Hope this is of some assistance,
Regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 11:48:42 AM
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Cc: Katie Green
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CTI Name Index Update

Thanks, Jim,

Works like a charm. At least, I found the info I submitted. I just wish all the 
Arboe records were online.

Katie Green
On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:55 PM, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:

Hello Listers - a little bug was found which was creating less than desirable 
search results.

I believe it is all repaired now.

Please give it another try - http://test.cotyroneireland.com/names.php

Thanks for your patience and assistance,
Jim

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Murder of John Hazleton by Michael Linn at Cavanakeeran, Pomeroy Parish, Co. Tyrone, November 1847

2018-07-31 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers,

Am hoping a subscriber (or three) will find this extract from the Weekly 
Vindicator (Belfast) November 27, 1847 of a little interest. This short item 
also includes the names of the siblings of MICHAEL LINN (treasure!)

MURDER. – We are sorry to have to announce that the north has been disgraced by 
another murder, which occurred on Tuesday last, at Cavanakeeran, in the barony 
of Dungannon, and parish of Pomeroy. On that day, JOHN HAZLETON, a bailiff, 
proceeded to execute a quarter sessions decree against a family of the of LINN, 
when he was stabbed by MICHAEL LINN, with a bayonet, in the side, which caused 
his death in a few hours. A coroner’s inquest has been held upon the body, and 
a verdict of wilful murder returned against MICHAEL LINN. Five brothers were 
concerned in the murder. FELIX and JOHN have been taken into custody, but the 
murderer, with PATRICK and PETER, have escaped. Mr. COULSON, R.M., of Omagh, 
has offered a reward of £30 for the apprehension of the parties

Regards and much luck with your research,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

2018-07-31 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Rick

Referring to William Roulston’s essential RESEARCHING SCOTS-IRISH ANCESTORS, 
there is an earlier surviving run of muster rolls (1618) for the Northern 
counties housed in PRONI, Belfast. These are available for consultation at 
PRONI only and am unable to advise the breadth of the records. The PRONI 
reference for Co. Tyrone is D/1759/3B/5 (Mss copy extracts)

Len Swindley

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From: Rick Smoll 
Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 10:44:13 PM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thanks … I doubted there would be. Do you know how may years of muster rolls 
there are that can be searched?

Rick Smoll



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Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Hello again Rick,

There are no records of passenger movements between Scotland and Ulster; there 
was no need as both belonged within a single country – the United Kingdom. 
Similar to a person travelling between NYC and Long Island.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Cc: Rick Smoll
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thank you all again for your help on this. One more question: are there any 
sort of emigration records on the Scotland side to search? I don't guess there 
were anything like passage records for such a short boat ride.

Rick Smoll, AIC
Claims Adjuster
Corpus Christi, TX
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Fax - (512) 592-7966



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Rick,

In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) 
were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of 
arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, 
which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of 
England.”

We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those 
instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of 
every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of 
Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest 
to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in 
the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in 
Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If 
Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to 
show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep 
records..

I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t 
arrived in Kilskeery by 1630.


Elwyn

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt 
phonetically in the past.

The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon 
political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their 
homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace 
had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of 
James II great numbers of new settlers arrived.

My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your 
forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish
Regards, Len Swindley


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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thanks Len
I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de 
Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Index to the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

2018-07-30 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Thank you Ann!

I greatly appreciate your kind thoughts and sincerely hope that future 
submissions may assist your research.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Len,

Thanks for all you do to help so many of us with our research.

Ann

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the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Am delighted that the tables worked folks and am submitting further data 
concerning the townland of Ballybun, Donaghmore parish, Co. Donegal; this time 
including those householders recorded in Griffiths Valuation, 1858, DOUBLING 
the recorded households of 1826. Trust you find this exercise interesting; this 
was not an unusual occurrence.
.
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County Tyrone
Cc: James McKane; Gordon Wilkinson
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Index to 
the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

NO, absolutely incorrect!  Somehow something is misunderstood. Yes, the site 
accepts tables and spreadsheets.

Sorry for any misunderstanding
Jim

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On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:16 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList 
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wrote:

Len,

(greetings from Adelaide)

You say that the site doesn't accept Table format - but your first email DID 
have the table format and made for easy cross-comparison of names. I use 
Thunderbird email client.

Thanks for your efforts

Gordon Wilkinson (Wilkinsons from Tyrone)

On 20/07/2018 12:40 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList wrote:
Hello Listers; am resubmitting this post as the site does not accept 
submissions with tables formatted content and trust that the data can be 
interpreted easily:

Many thanks to Jim McKane for his appreciative response to my most recent 
submissions to CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ : Indexes to Donaghmore, Co. 
Donegal Tithe Applotment Books 1815 and 1826. This exercise was undertaken to 
support my long-held assertion that a record of your forebear within a townland 
in Griffiths Valuation did not necessarily prove that this was the native 
townland of your emigrant forebear and the generations before him or her; there 
are many instances where this belief is not supported by referring to the tithe 
applotment books of the 1820s-30s where it is not possible to locate a previous 
generation of your family. But Donaghmore parish in Co. Donegal (just across 
the Tyrone/ Donegal county boundary) has two surviving tithe books - 1815 and 
1826 and there are a great many instances where tithe payers recorded in 1815 
have gone from the townland eleven years later in 1826. They may have been 
ejected from their holdings or perhaps emigrated. An excellent example is the 
townland of BALLYBUN:

BALLYBUN 1815 (18 tithepayers)
ALLEN Robt.
ALLEN Wm.
ANDERSON Jas.
CATTERSON John
CATTERSON Thos.
CATTERSON Widow
ELLIOT Robert
FAIR Edward
FLEMING Matthew
HONE Neal
HONE Redmond
KELLY Hugh
KELLY Laughlin
LONG Gustavus
McGOWAN Hugh
McMENAMON Patrick
MOORHEAD Robt.
NESBIT Jas.

BALLYBUN 1826 (16 tithepayers))
ALLEN Widow Elizabeth
ALLEN William
ANDERSON David
CATERSON James
CATERSON John
CATERSON Michael
CATERSON Thomas
ELLIOTT John
FAIR Edward
FLEMING Matthew
GALLAGHER Hugh
KELLY Hugh
KELLY Laughlin
LYNCH David
McMENAMIN Patrick
MOORHEAD Robert

The tithe applotment books are a most important resource and I urge all 
researchers to refer to them keeping an open mind that a family of the same 
name (or similar spelling) within adjacent townlands or a neighbouring parish 
may be related.

Good luck with your research everybody,

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

2018-07-30 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello again Rick,

There are no records of passenger movements between Scotland and Ulster; there 
was no need as both belonged within a single country – the United Kingdom. 
Similar to a person travelling between NYC and Long Island.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thank you all again for your help on this. One more question: are there any 
sort of emigration records on the Scotland side to search? I don't guess there 
were anything like passage records for such a short boat ride.

Rick Smoll, AIC
Claims Adjuster
Corpus Christi, TX
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Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:33 am
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Rick,

In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) 
were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of 
arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, 
which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of 
England.”

We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those 
instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of 
every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of 
Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest 
to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in 
the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in 
Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If 
Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to 
show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep 
records..

I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t 
arrived in Kilskeery by 1630.


Elwyn

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt 
phonetically in the past.

The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon 
political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their 
homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace 
had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of 
James II great numbers of new settlers arrived.

My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your 
forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish
Regards, Len Swindley


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To: len_swind...@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thanks Len
I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de 
Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is 
an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my 
Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date?

Thanks again

Rick Smoll



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Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered 
in the Town of Strabane:

Robert MORISON (sic)
David MORRISON
Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical 
Foundation)

Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh?

Hope this clarifies things,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

2018-07-30 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Rick,

Have gone back to my extraction, transcription and indexing of the 1826 
Kilskeery, Co. Tyrone tithe applotment book 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/tithe_Kilskeery1826.htm to confirm tithe 
payers in Loughterush and find it is correct; Edward Morrison is recorded in 
the townland in 1826. Just to be sure, I called in at a LDS FHC during my lunch 
break today to check the online digitised record and found that this is so.

I not that the extremely large Kilskeery baptismal register 1767-1872 
http://www.igpweb.com/IGPArchives/ire/tyrone/churches/kilskeery-bap.htm was 
transcribed by the prolific George Armstrong in 2014. His excellent work is 
well known. Perhaps a lister has a contact email address for him to consult.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Hoping for some opinions here:

In the Kilskeery Parish 1826 Tithe Applotment listings, I find an Edward 
Morrison listed for Loughterush townland.

Using the Atavus search engine (Edward Morrison, Loughterush), I first see a 
record of a birth of Edward Morrison to Edward and Isabella Morrison in 1795. 
This is exciting.

Looking at the search results farther down the page, I find a series of births 
to an Edward Morrow and wife Isabella (in Loughterush), ranging from 1781 to 
1789.Hmmm.

Going back to the Kilskeery Tithe Applotment listings, there are three Morrows 
listed (no Edwards), and none of them are in Loughterush.

I'm wondering: is it likely that there is a transcription error here?

I would greatly appreciate any opinions here.

Thanks!


Rick Smoll



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Cc: Len Swindley ; Elwyn Soutter 

Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2018 5:55 am
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn

Len Swindley

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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Rick,

In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) 
were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of 
arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, 
which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of 
England.”

We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those 
instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of 
every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of 
Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest 
to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in 
the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in 
Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If 
Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to 
show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep 
records..

I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t 
arrived in Kilskeery by 1630.


Elwyn

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt 
phonetically in the past.

The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon 
political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their 
homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace 
had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of 
James II great numbers of new settlers arrived.

My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your 
forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish
Regards, Len Swindley


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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList]

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Richey in Tyrone

2018-07-26 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Mike,

You should refer to the tithe applotment books of the 1820s-30s for locations 
of Richeys in Co. Tyrone http://www.cotyroneireland.com/search.php They are 
recorded in Ardstraw, Clogher, Clogherny, Clonfeacle, Donaghmore and Dromore 
parishes The individual indexes for each parish may be found at 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/titheindex.html

Good luck,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Thanks Kerrie! I'll focus on the Dromore parish. The spelling variations on 
Richey, Ritchie, Richie, Ritchey has always complicated matters for me...
Mike-

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:59 PM, Kerrie via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
There are Richey families in the parish of Dromore.  Name can also be spelt 
Ritchie.

Kerrie

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I am searching for Joseph Richey from county Tyrone. Born: 7 June 1748. That is 
all i know about his Irish information.
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

2018-07-24 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Many thanks for your insights, Elwyn

Len Swindley

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Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2018 8:32:58 PM
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Rick,

In the early 1600s, the English & Scottish undertakers (ie big landholders) 
were required to “Have ready in their houses at all times a convenient store of 
arms, wherewith they may furnish a competent number of men for their defence, 
which may be viewed and mustered every half year, according to the manner of 
England.”

We don’t really know to what extent each undertaker actually followed those 
instructions but where they did the local Muster Rolls could contain a list of 
every able bodied adult male in the given area. The complete absence of 
Morrisons in both Fermanagh & Tyrone (save for the 2 in Strabane) would suggest 
to me they hadn’t arrived in big numbers at that time. There’s 329 of them in 
the 1901 Fermanagh & Tyrone census. None in Fermanagh in 1630 and just 2 in 
Tyrone. There were a lot of undertakers estates in those 2 counties. If 
Morrisons were present in significant numbers then you would expect more to 
show in the Muster Rolls, even allowing for some estates that didn't keep 
records..

I agree with Les that we can’t say for certain, but my feeling is they hadn’t 
arrived in Kilskeery by 1630.


Elwyn

On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt 
phonetically in the past.

The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon 
political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their 
homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace 
had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of 
James II great numbers of new settlers arrived.

My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your 
forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish
Regards, Len Swindley


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From: Rick Smoll mailto:rsmoll...@aim.com>>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thanks Len
I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de 
Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is 
an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my 
Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date?

Thanks again

Rick Smoll



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From: Len Swindley mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com>>
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Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered 
in the Town of Strabane:

Robert MORISON (sic)
David MORRISON
Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical 
Foundation)

Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh?

Hope this clarifies things,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thanks for your response and information!

Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records 
of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... 
only about 6 more to go!

Thanks again!



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From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
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Date: 7/21/18 6:17 AM (GMT-06:00)
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Rick,

There aren’t any specific lists of peop

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

2018-07-24 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Variations in spelling are of little consequence Rick as much was spelt 
phonetically in the past.

The Scots arrived in the North of Ireland in several waves dependent upon 
political and religious conditions in Scotland. Many settlers returned to their 
homeland as a result of the 1641 Rebellion 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rebellion_of_1641 but returned once peace 
had been restored. Following the Relief of the Siege of Londonderry in 1689 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Derry and the defeat of the forces of 
James II great numbers of new settlers arrived.

My thoughts are that it will not be possible to ascertain the date of your 
forebears arrival in Kilskeery parish
Regards, Len Swindley


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From: Rick Smoll 
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 11:19:46 PM
To: len_swind...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thanks Len
I checked Fermanagh … there was one Alex. Morison (note one s) in Barony de 
Magerbuy (with "sword and pike"). No way to tell at this point whether this is 
an ancestor of mine, though. Given all your experience, would you guess that my 
Morrisons came to Kilskeery at a much later date?

Thanks again

Rick Smoll



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From: Len Swindley 
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Cc: rsmoll999 
Sent: Sat, Jul 21, 2018 6:43 pm
Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered 
in the Town of Strabane:

Robert MORISON (sic)
David MORRISON
Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical 
Foundation)

Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh?

Hope this clarifies things,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Thanks for your response and information!

Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records 
of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... 
only about 6 more to go!

Thanks again!



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 Original message 
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Rick,

There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part of the 
Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we really know are 
the names of the big tenants (Undertakers) and where in Scotland they came 
from.  But there are no lists of the tenants that accompanied them.

However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1630 Muster Rolls. 
That tends to suggest that your family may have arrived in the area post 1630, 
either direct from Scotland or perhaps having relocated from another part of 
Ulster, making it trickier to identify their origins.


Elwyn

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Hello All,
I was able to locate our ancestral farm in Loughterush (and actually visited it 
last year), which was in the family up until around 1970 when the last Morrison 
on it passed away. I have traced ancestors on the farm back to James Morrison 
(for whom I do not have a birth date, but was likely born around 1800). I have 
been assuming that our Morrisons originally came from Scotland, but do not know 
when.

Can anyone point me to records that might give specific information regarding 
individuals who came to this specific townland (as part of the British planter/ 
colonization that occurred in the 16th-18th centuries)?

Thanks!

Rick Smoll

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Indextothe Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

2018-07-21 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Marion,

The National Archives of Ireland, Dublin online Donaghmore tithe applotment 
book is a total mess and should be approached with care as it is a mash of 
records containing townlands within both Donaghmores; Cork and Donegal (pages 
seem interspersed).

All good wishes,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Marion 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2018 12:43:56 AM
To: Len Swindley; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - 
Indextothe Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Thanks Len.
Had a look at the map – I hadn’t noticed before that there were two Mullanboys 
next to each other, obviously one in each parish. By the time of the Griffiths 
valuation the nearest Wauchobs are close by in the townlands of Cavanaweery and 
Foyfin, both in Urney I think. There are also some in Trusk, Donaghmore . It’s 
difficult to pinpoint who’s who!
Thanks for the information about the national archives - will know to look 
under Cork in future!
Regards Marion


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Sent: 21 July 2018 15:09
To: Marion<mailto:marionsheph...@btinternet.com>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing 
List<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>
Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - 
Indextothe Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Hello Marion,

Thanks for your enquiry. Have referred to Ask About Ireland (Griffiths Places) 
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ and can confirm that 
Mullanboy is indeed located in both Urney and Donaghmore parishes in Co. 
Donegal. There were thirteen households recorded Griffiths Valuation 1858 in 
the Urney townland (no Wauchobs) and twelve households in Donaghmore (again no 
Wauchobs).  You may also wish to refer to the maps on this website.

The National Archives of Ireland website is most confusing: Donaghmore parish 
has been assigned to Co. Cork and contains a jumble of data, hence my attempts 
to index the large parish in Co. Donegal. I have written to the NAI on three 
occasions alerting them to a problem and am still awaiting rectification.

Hoping this assists you and regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Marion 
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 11:25:06 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List; gordon.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au
Cc: Len Swindley; Gordon Wilkinson
Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Indexto 
the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Hello Len
Many thanks for all the work you have put in to completing these lists, I can’t 
imagine how long it took.
I have been looking eagerly in the lists for my Wauchob/p ancestors, who I 
think came from the Castlefin area and was pleased to find some possibilities.
In the past I had located some of the family in Mullenboy (just one of the 
spellings) , just south of Castlefin, which was recorded as being  in the part 
of the parish of Urney, that is in Donegal and I found the TAB for this 
townland on the National Archives website.
I was a bit confused to find Mullanboy/  Mullinbee/Mullenbwee in your lists of 
townlands in Donaghmore , two are mentioned in the second TAB list. I am trying 
to decide whether there are two different places with similar names, both in 
Donaghmore, or one in Donaghmore and one in Urney.
I was further confused when I looked on the National Archives website and there 
was no mention of a parish in Donegal called Donaghmore. I would be grateful 
for any explanations you might be able to give me.
Regards Marion
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Indexto 
the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Am delighted that the tables worked folks and am submitting further data 
concerning the townland of Ballybun, Donaghmore parish, Co. Donegal; this time 
including those householders recorded in Griffiths Valuation, 1858, DOUBLING 
the recorded households of 1826. Trust you find this exercise interesting; this 
was not an unusual occurrence.
.
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

2018-07-21 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
There are only two Morrisons recorded in the Tyrone muster rolls, both mustered 
in the Town of Strabane:

Robert MORISON (sic)
David MORRISON
Extracted from Men and Armes; The Ulster Settlers c1630 (Ulster Historical 
Foundation)

Perhaps your Morrison forebears originally settled in Co. Fermanagh?

Hope this clarifies things,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Thanks for your response and information!

Narrows it down some anyway. I guess i just need to keep searching for records 
of my Morrison ancestors there until i get all the way back to the 1600s ... 
only about 6 more to go!

Thanks again!



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 Original message 
From: elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
Date: 7/21/18 6:17 AM (GMT-06:00)
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Cc: elwyn soutter 
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Morrisons of Loughterush townland (kilskeery)

Rick,

There aren’t any specific lists of people who settled in Ireland as part of the 
Plantation and other population movements in the 1600s. All we really know are 
the names of the big tenants (Undertakers) and where in Scotland they came 
from.  But there are no lists of the tenants that accompanied them.

However there are no Morrisons in the Kilskeery area in the 1630 Muster Rolls. 
That tends to suggest that your family may have arrived in the area post 1630, 
either direct from Scotland or perhaps having relocated from another part of 
Ulster, making it trickier to identify their origins.


Elwyn

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 7:55 PM, Rick Smoll via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Hello All,
I was able to locate our ancestral farm in Loughterush (and actually visited it 
last year), which was in the family up until around 1970 when the last Morrison 
on it passed away. I have traced ancestors on the farm back to James Morrison 
(for whom I do not have a birth date, but was likely born around 1800). I have 
been assuming that our Morrisons originally came from Scotland, but do not know 
when.

Can anyone point me to records that might give specific information regarding 
individuals who came to this specific townland (as part of the British planter/ 
colonization that occurred in the 16th-18th centuries)?

Thanks!

Rick Smoll

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Indexto the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

2018-07-21 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Marion,

Thanks for your enquiry. Have referred to Ask About Ireland (Griffiths Places) 
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ and can confirm that 
Mullanboy is indeed located in both Urney and Donaghmore parishes in Co. 
Donegal. There were thirteen households recorded Griffiths Valuation 1858 in 
the Urney townland (no Wauchobs) and twelve households in Donaghmore (again no 
Wauchobs).  You may also wish to refer to the maps on this website.

The National Archives of Ireland website is most confusing: Donaghmore parish 
has been assigned to Co. Cork and contains a jumble of data, hence my attempts 
to index the large parish in Co. Donegal. I have written to the NAI on three 
occasions alerting them to a problem and am still awaiting rectification.

Hoping this assists you and regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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From: Marion 
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 11:25:06 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List; gordon.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au
Cc: Len Swindley; Gordon Wilkinson
Subject: RE: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Indexto 
the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Hello Len
Many thanks for all the work you have put in to completing these lists, I can’t 
imagine how long it took.
I have been looking eagerly in the lists for my Wauchob/p ancestors, who I 
think came from the Castlefin area and was pleased to find some possibilities.
In the past I had located some of the family in Mullenboy (just one of the 
spellings) , just south of Castlefin, which was recorded as being  in the part 
of the parish of Urney, that is in Donegal and I found the TAB for this 
townland on the National Archives website.
I was a bit confused to find Mullanboy/  Mullinbee/Mullenbwee in your lists of 
townlands in Donaghmore , two are mentioned in the second TAB list. I am trying 
to decide whether there are two different places with similar names, both in 
Donaghmore, or one in Donaghmore and one in Urney.
I was further confused when I looked on the National Archives website and there 
was no mention of a parish in Donegal called Donaghmore. I would be grateful 
for any explanations you might be able to give me.
Regards Marion
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Sent: 21 July 2018 13:46
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Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Indexto 
the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Am delighted that the tables worked folks and am submitting further data 
concerning the townland of Ballybun, Donaghmore parish, Co. Donegal; this time 
including those householders recorded in Griffiths Valuation, 1858, DOUBLING 
the recorded households of 1826. Trust you find this exercise interesting; this 
was not an unusual occurrence.
.
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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2018-07-21 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Sorry Folks,

I was interrupted when submitting the previous post: here is the Ballybun data 
including Griffiths Valuation

Len

TAB 1815

TAB 1826

GRIFFITHS VALUATION 1858

ALLEN Robt.

ALLEN Widow Elizabeth

ALLEN Elizabeth

ALLEN Wm.

ALLEN William

ANDERSON David

ANDERSON Jas.

ANDERSON David

BARR Adam

CATTERSON John

CATERSON James

BECKETT David

CATTERSON Thos.

CATERSON John

BOYLE Edward

CATTERSON Widow

CATERSON Michael

ELLIOTT James

ELLIOT Robert

CATERSON Thomas

FAIR James

FAIR Edward

ELLIOTT John

FLEMING Andrew

FLEMING Matthew

FAIR Edward

FLEMING Margaret

HONE Neal

FLEMING Matthew

GALLAGHER Andrew

HONE Redmond

GALLAGHER Hugh

GALLAGHER Hugh

KELLY Hugh

KELLY Hugh

HAMILTON Edward

KELLY Laughlin

KELLY Laughlin

KEATERSON James

LONG Gustavus

LYNCH David

KEATERSON James, jun.

McGOWAN Hugh

McMENAMIN Patrick

KEATERSON John

McMENAMON Patrick

MOORHEAD Robert

KEATERSON Michael

MOORHEAD Robt.



KEATERSON Robert

NESBIT Jas.



KEATERSON Thomas





KEATERSON Thomas





KELLY Denis





KELLY Denis





KELLY Ellen





KEMPS Joseph





McCROSSIN Patrick





McGOWAN Hugh





McGOWAN Richard





McMENAMIN Edward





ORR John





QUIGLEY Joseph





WATSON Andrew





WHITE John





YOUNG Robert



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Swindley via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 10:45:41 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List; gordon.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au
Cc: Len Swindley; Gordon Wilkinson
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Index to 
the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Am delighted that the tables worked folks and am submitting further data 
concerning the townland of Ballybun, Donaghmore parish, Co. Donegal; this time 
including those householders recorded in Griffiths Valuation, 1858, DOUBLING 
the recorded households of 1826. Trust you find this exercise interesting; this 
was not an unusual occurrence.
.
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of 
James McKane via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 7:33:09 PM
To: gordon.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au; County Tyrone
Cc: James McKane; Gordon Wilkinson
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Index to 
the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

NO, absolutely incorrect!  Somehow something is misunderstood. Yes, the site 
accepts tables and spreadsheets.

Sorry for any misunderstanding
Jim

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario


On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:16 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList 
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wrote:

Len,

(greetings from Adelaide)

You say that the site doesn't accept Table format - but your first email DID 
have the table format and made for easy cross-comparison of names. I use 
Thunderbird email client.

Thanks for your efforts

Gordon Wilkinson (Wilkinsons from Tyrone)

On 20/07/2018 12:40 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList wrote:
Hello Listers; am resubmitting this post as the site does not accept 
submissions with tables formatted content and trust that the data can be 
interpreted easily:

Many thanks to Jim McKane for his appreciative response to my most recent 
submissions to CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ : Indexes to Donaghmore, Co. 
Donegal Tithe Applotment Books 1815 and 1826. This exercise was undertaken to 
support my long-held assertion that a record of your forebear within a townland 
in Griffiths Valuation did not necessarily prove that this was the native 
townland of your emigrant forebear and the generations before him or her; there 
are many instances where this belief is not supported by referring to the tithe 
applotment books of the 1820s-30s where it is not possible to locate a previous 
generation of your family. But Donaghmore parish in Co. Donegal (just across 
the Tyrone/ Donegal county boundary) has two surviving tithe books - 1815 and 
1826 and there are a great many instances where tithe payers recorded in 1815 
have gone from the townland eleven years later in 1826. They may have been 
ejected from their holdings or perhaps emigrated. An excellent example is the 
townland of BALLYBUN:

BALLYBUN 1815 (18 tithepayers)
ALLEN Robt.
ALLEN Wm.
ANDERSON Jas.
CATTERSON John
CATTERSON Thos.
CATTERSON Widow
ELLIOT Robert
FAIR Edward
FLEMING Matthew
HONE Neal
HONE Redmond
KELLY Hugh
KELLY Laughlin
LONG Gustavus
McGOWAN Hugh
McMENAMON Patrick
MOORHEAD Robt.
NESBIT Jas.

BALLYBUN 1826 (16 tithepayers))
ALLEN Widow Elizabeth
ALLEN William
ANDERSON David
CATERSON James
CATERSON John
CATERSON Michael
CATERSON Thomas
ELLIOTT John
FAIR Edward
FLEMING Matthew
GALLAGHER Hugh
KELLY Hugh
KELLY Laughlin
LYNCH David
McMENAMIN Patrick
MOORHEAD

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Index to the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

2018-07-21 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Am delighted that the tables worked folks and am submitting further data 
concerning the townland of Ballybun, Donaghmore parish, Co. Donegal; this time 
including those householders recorded in Griffiths Valuation, 1858, DOUBLING 
the recorded households of 1826. Trust you find this exercise interesting; this 
was not an unusual occurrence.
.
Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: CoTyroneList  on behalf of 
James McKane via CoTyroneList 
Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2018 7:33:09 PM
To: gordon.wilkin...@ozemail.com.au; County Tyrone
Cc: James McKane; Gordon Wilkinson
Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Index to 
the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

NO, absolutely incorrect!  Somehow something is misunderstood. Yes, the site 
accepts tables and spreadsheets.

Sorry for any misunderstanding
Jim

Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario


On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 1:16 AM Gordon Wilkinson via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:

Len,

(greetings from Adelaide)

You say that the site doesn't accept Table format - but your first email DID 
have the table format and made for easy cross-comparison of names. I use 
Thunderbird email client.

Thanks for your efforts

Gordon Wilkinson (Wilkinsons from Tyrone)

On 20/07/2018 12:40 PM, Len Swindley via CoTyroneList wrote:
Hello Listers; am resubmitting this post as the site does not accept 
submissions with tables formatted content and trust that the data can be 
interpreted easily:

Many thanks to Jim McKane for his appreciative response to my most recent 
submissions to CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ : Indexes to Donaghmore, Co. 
Donegal Tithe Applotment Books 1815 and 1826. This exercise was undertaken to 
support my long-held assertion that a record of your forebear within a townland 
in Griffiths Valuation did not necessarily prove that this was the native 
townland of your emigrant forebear and the generations before him or her; there 
are many instances where this belief is not supported by referring to the tithe 
applotment books of the 1820s-30s where it is not possible to locate a previous 
generation of your family. But Donaghmore parish in Co. Donegal (just across 
the Tyrone/ Donegal county boundary) has two surviving tithe books - 1815 and 
1826 and there are a great many instances where tithe payers recorded in 1815 
have gone from the townland eleven years later in 1826. They may have been 
ejected from their holdings or perhaps emigrated. An excellent example is the 
townland of BALLYBUN:

BALLYBUN 1815 (18 tithepayers)
ALLEN Robt.
ALLEN Wm.
ANDERSON Jas.
CATTERSON John
CATTERSON Thos.
CATTERSON Widow
ELLIOT Robert
FAIR Edward
FLEMING Matthew
HONE Neal
HONE Redmond
KELLY Hugh
KELLY Laughlin
LONG Gustavus
McGOWAN Hugh
McMENAMON Patrick
MOORHEAD Robt.
NESBIT Jas.

BALLYBUN 1826 (16 tithepayers))
ALLEN Widow Elizabeth
ALLEN William
ANDERSON David
CATERSON James
CATERSON John
CATERSON Michael
CATERSON Thomas
ELLIOTT John
FAIR Edward
FLEMING Matthew
GALLAGHER Hugh
KELLY Hugh
KELLY Laughlin
LYNCH David
McMENAMIN Patrick
MOORHEAD Robert

The tithe applotment books are a most important resource and I urge all 
researchers to refer to them keeping an open mind that a family of the same 
name (or similar spelling) within adjacent townlands or a neighbouring parish 
may be related.

Good luck with your research everybody,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: Jim McKane <mailto:j...@mckane.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:53:10 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Subject: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Index to the Tithe Applotment Book 
for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Index to the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 
1815<https://cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1815.html> - 986 entries

Index to the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 
1826<https://cotyroneireland.com/tithe/donaghmore1826.html> - 1595 entries

These records have also been added to the Tithe Search feature.

This is yet ANOTHER MASSIVE work by Len Swindley. Can you imagine the time and 
effort required to decipher, transcribe, and format all the Townlands as well 
as almost 2,600 names

WOW, Thanks again, Len


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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Index to the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

2018-07-19 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers; am resubmitting this post as the site does not accept 
submissions with tables formatted content and trust that the data can be 
interpreted easily:

Many thanks to Jim McKane for his appreciative response to my most recent 
submissions to CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ : Indexes to Donaghmore, Co. 
Donegal Tithe Applotment Books 1815 and 1826. This exercise was undertaken to 
support my long-held assertion that a record of your forebear within a townland 
in Griffiths Valuation did not necessarily prove that this was the native 
townland of your emigrant forebear and the generations before him or her; there 
are many instances where this belief is not supported by referring to the tithe 
applotment books of the 1820s-30s where it is not possible to locate a previous 
generation of your family. But Donaghmore parish in Co. Donegal (just across 
the Tyrone/ Donegal county boundary) has two surviving tithe books - 1815 and 
1826 and there are a great many instances where tithe payers recorded in 1815 
have gone from the townland eleven years later in 1826. They may have been 
ejected from their holdings or perhaps emigrated. An excellent example is the 
townland of BALLYBUN:

BALLYBUN 1815 (18 tithepayers)
ALLEN Robt.
ALLEN Wm.
ANDERSON Jas.
CATTERSON John
CATTERSON Thos.
CATTERSON Widow
ELLIOT Robert
FAIR Edward
FLEMING Matthew
HONE Neal
HONE Redmond
KELLY Hugh
KELLY Laughlin
LONG Gustavus
McGOWAN Hugh
McMENAMON Patrick
MOORHEAD Robt.
NESBIT Jas.

BALLYBUN 1826 (16 tithepayers))
ALLEN Widow Elizabeth
ALLEN William
ANDERSON David
CATERSON James
CATERSON John
CATERSON Michael
CATERSON Thomas
ELLIOTT John
FAIR Edward
FLEMING Matthew
GALLAGHER Hugh
KELLY Hugh
KELLY Laughlin
LYNCH David
McMENAMIN Patrick
MOORHEAD Robert

The tithe applotment books are a most important resource and I urge all 
researchers to refer to them keeping an open mind that a family of the same 
name (or similar spelling) within adjacent townlands or a neighbouring parish 
may be related.

Good luck with your research everybody,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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From: Jim McKane 
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2018 11:53:10 PM
To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List
Subject: CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Index to the Tithe Applotment Book 
for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Index to the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 
1815 - 986 entries

Index to the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 
1826 - 1595 entries

These records have also been added to the Tithe Search feature.

This is yet ANOTHER MASSIVE work by Len Swindley. Can you imagine the time and 
effort required to decipher, transcribe, and format all the Townlands as well 
as almost 2,600 names

WOW, Thanks again, Len


Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Index to the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

2018-07-19 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers,

Many thanks to Jim McKane for his appreciative response to my most recent 
submissions to CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ : Indexes to Donaghmore, Co. 
Donegal Tithe Applotment Books 1815 and 1826.

This exercise was undertaken to support my long-held assertion that a record of 
your forebear within a townland in Griffiths Valuation did not necessarily 
prove that this was the native townland of your emigrant forebear and the 
generations before him or her; there are many instances where this belief is 
not supported by referring to the tithe applotment books of the 1820s-30s where 
it is not possible to locate a previous generation of your family. But 
Donaghmore parish in Co. Donegal (just across the Tyrone/ Donegal county 
boundary) has two surviving tithe books - 1815 and 1826 and there are a great 
many instances where tithe payers recorded in 1815 have gone from the townland 
eleven years later in 1826. They may have been ejected from their holdings or 
perhaps emigrated. An excellent example is the townland of BALLYBUN:

1815

1826

ALLEN Robt.

ALLEN Widow Elizabeth

ALLEN Wm.

ALLEN William

ANDERSON Jas.

ANDERSON David

CATTERSON John

CATERSON James

CATTERSON Thos.

CATERSON John

CATTERSON Widow

CATERSON Michael

ELLIOT Robert

CATERSON Thomas

FAIR Edward

ELLIOTT John

FLEMING Matthew

FAIR Edward

HONE Neal

FLEMING Matthew

HONE Redmond

GALLAGHER Hugh

KELLY Hugh

KELLY Hugh

KELLY Laughlin

KELLY Laughlin

LONG Gustavus

LYNCH David

McGOWAN Hugh

McMENAMIN Patrick

McMENAMON Patrick

MOORHEAD Robert

MOORHEAD Robt.



NESBIT Jas.




The tithe applotment books are a most important resource and I urge all 
researchers to refer to them keeping an open mind that a family of the same 
name (or similar spelling) within adjacent townlands or a neighbouring parish 
may be related.

Good luck with your research everybody,

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia



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for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal

Index to the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 
1815 - 986 entries

Index to the Tithe Applotment Book for Donaghmore Parish, Co. Donegal 
1826 - 1595 entries

These records have also been added to the Tithe Search feature.

This is yet ANOTHER MASSIVE work by Len Swindley. Can you imagine the time and 
effort required to decipher, transcribe, and format all the Townlands as well 
as almost 2,600 names

WOW, Thanks again, Len


Jim McKane
South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue 1

2018-07-17 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Linda,

Nathaniel and William Stinson are both recorded at Donamoney  in the 1833 
Clonfeacle Parish tithe applotment book; see my index 
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/tithe/t-a-clonfeacle.html You will be able to 
obtain a description of the leases and tithes paid online at a LDS FHC

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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I am now heartened that you found records for Patti.  I have been trying to go 
back beyond my great great grandfather Nathaniel Steenson (and his wife 
Margaret Templeton) (and get more info on Nathaniel).

I am going to the genealogy library in San Diego today. Where do you suggest I 
look?  They have more resources than I do. I assume the Steenson’s came from 
Scotland in the 1600s when the Ulster plantations were created.

Nathaniel is listed with two sons in Griffiths Valuation (last name listed as 
Steenson).  His lessor was William Carberry, Earl of Charelmont in the barony 
of Middle Dungannon, parish of Clonfeacle, townland of Dunamony. He was born 
“about” 1801 and died December 17, 1873. I don’t have accurate information on 
his wife.

His son, William Stenson/Steenson was born in 1836 in Armagh and emigrated to 
America with his wife Isabella Eakin and their children (his son George was 
born in Oregon and is my paternal grandfather. He died in Iregon in 1915.

I cannot find emigration records except for a passenger list on the Utopia that 
landed in New York (from Glasgow, Scotland) August 27, 1874.


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On Jul 16, 2018, at 9:46 AM, Boyd Gray via CoTyroneList 
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Tee hee born 1850, no wonder I could not find him.  He was hardly "a child" 
when he emigrated in 1880!!

So, here is his Philly death cert:

Name: Rev James Trainor
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 59
Birth Date: 1856
Birth Place: Ireland
Death Date: 18 Jan 1916
Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: James Trainor
Mother: Mary Mc Carron
Certificate Number: 14012

with the details such as mother's maiden name, needed to help locate him in 
Ireland, except that he was born before civil records began in 1864, which 
complicates matters.

Luckily, RootsIreland has the records for his local church online, so here is 
his baptism:

 Church Baptism Record
Name: James Trenor Date of Birth:
  Date of Baptism: 26-Nov-1854
Address: Seskinore Parish/District: BERAGH
Gender: Unknown County TYRONE
Father: James Trenor Mother: Mary Mccarron
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Daniel
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Margaret Gallagher

And here is his father in the GV:

Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 TRAYNOR
Forename 1 JAMES
Landlord
Family Name 2 MCCLINTOCK
Forename 2 GEORGE P.
Location
County TYRONE
Barony OMAGH, EAST
Union OMAGH
Parish CLOGHERNY
Townland SESKINORE
Place Name SESKINORE
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 4
Printing Date 1860
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 43,51
Map Reference 38
James Traynor senior had a small 8 acre farm.

And that means, you can find exactly where he lived using the maps at :

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Now, if you want to find out if he had family left in the area, you need to 
start chasing up those Tranors using the GVRBs and then the two censuses of 
1901 and 1911.

Hope this helps, Patricia.

Boyd

https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/



On 16 July 2018 at 16:26, Barbara Finizia via CoTyroneList 
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wrote:
Philadelphia Inquirer
Sunday, Jan 02, 1916
Philadelphia, PA
Vol: 174
Issue: 2
Page: 14

Is his obit Patricia
If you need a copy Patricia I will copy

Barbara

James F Trainor
Born 1850
Ordained 1881

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:01 AM, dm60--- via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Hi Pati

One of the gurus at the Ulster Historical Foundation (or still linked to the 
UHF) is Dr Brian Trainor, one time head of PRONI.

Can't  be much on Trainor in Ireland that Brian hasn't encountered or dabbled 
with in his extensive career!

Warm regards


Dave Mitchell
UGHG No.202


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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 03:47:07 PM

Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue 1

Dear Patricia:

Did you try contacting the archdiocese in Philadelphia to see if they 

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 215, Issue 1

2018-07-17 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Boyd and Patti,

Who is this?
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/
CIVIL REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS
DISTRICT OF SIXMILECROSS, UNION OF OMAGH, CO. TYRONE
Born Beragh, February 8 1865 JAMES TREANOR, Father: PATRICK TREANOR, Railway 
Porter, Mother: ANN TREANOR (formerly McCARRON) Registered by father Feb 29 1865

Just throwing this into the mix……or am I missing something? This birth is 
registered nine years after the 1856 birth, but with parents Treanor and 
McCarron.

Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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Tee hee born 1850, no wonder I could not find him.  He was hardly "a child" 
when he emigrated in 1880!!

So, here is his Philly death cert:

Name: Rev James Trainor
Gender: Male
Race: White
Age: 59
Birth Date: 1856
Birth Place: Ireland
Death Date: 18 Jan 1916
Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
Father: James Trainor
Mother: Mary Mc Carron
Certificate Number: 14012

with the details such as mother's maiden name, needed to help locate him in 
Ireland, except that he was born before civil records began in 1864, which 
complicates matters.

Luckily, RootsIreland has the records for his local church online, so here is 
his baptism:

 Church Baptism Record
Name: James Trenor Date of Birth:
  Date of Baptism: 26-Nov-1854
Address: Seskinore Parish/District: BERAGH
Gender: Unknown County TYRONE
Father: James Trenor Mother: Mary Mccarron
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Daniel
Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Margaret Gallagher

And here is his father in the GV:

Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 TRAYNOR
Forename 1 JAMES
Landlord
Family Name 2 MCCLINTOCK
Forename 2 GEORGE P.
Location
County TYRONE
Barony OMAGH, EAST
Union OMAGH
Parish CLOGHERNY
Townland SESKINORE
Place Name SESKINORE
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 4
Printing Date 1860
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 43,51
Map Reference 38
James Traynor senior had a small 8 acre farm.

And that means, you can find exactly where he lived using the maps at :

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Now, if you want to find out if he had family left in the area, you need to 
start chasing up those Tranors using the GVRBs and then the two censuses of 
1901 and 1911.

Hope this helps, Patricia.

Boyd

https://www.westulstergenealogy.com/

https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/

http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/



On 16 July 2018 at 16:26, Barbara Finizia via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Philadelphia Inquirer
Sunday, Jan 02, 1916
Philadelphia, PA
Vol: 174
Issue: 2
Page: 14

Is his obit Patricia
If you need a copy Patricia I will copy

Barbara

James F Trainor
Born 1850
Ordained 1881

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 11:01 AM, dm60--- via CoTyroneList 
mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com>> 
wrote:
Hi Pati

One of the gurus at the Ulster Historical Foundation (or still linked to the 
UHF) is Dr Brian Trainor, one time head of PRONI.

Can't  be much on Trainor in Ireland that Brian hasn't encountered or dabbled 
with in his extensive career!

Warm regards


Dave Mitchell
UGHG No.202


From: "Mary Redline via CoTyroneList" 
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Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 03:47:07 PM

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Dear Patricia:

Did you try contacting the archdiocese in Philadelphia to see if they have any 
files or additional information for him?




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Help!
   I have written to 3 parishes in Tyrone, Omagh, trying to locate the family 
of:
 James Trainor who left Omagh as a child circa 1880 with family for the USA 
via Cobh. Settled in Philadelphia. James became a Monsignor in the Philadelphia 
archdiocese.
  Haven't heard anything. Suggestions?
Pati Trainor Link
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[CoTyroneIreland] ILLICIT DISTILLATION IN LECKPATRICK & DONAGHEADY PARISHES CO TYRONE 1844

2017-07-15 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers,
As a response to Teena’s interesting post re. illicit distillation in Co. 
Tyrone, I offer this pertinent item:

Extracted from the Londonderry Standard, January 10 1844
ILLICIT DISTILLATION – EXTENSIVE DETECTION. – The officers stationed in 
Strabane and Derry, for the suppression of illicit distillation, assisted by 
Mr. McCann, on the night of the 5th, and morning of the 6th, discovered on the 
mountains of Glenmorning [Glenmornan] two illicit distilleries, one malt kiln, 
and a number of vessels containing feints, together with a still head which 
they destroyed. They then proceeded to Lough Ash, where they discovered three 
illicit still houses, some vessels with wort, and some containing grains; and a 
short way from the lough, discovered two more still houses, thirty gallons of 
potale, and three casks, all of which they destroyed. It is necessary to state 
that illicit distillation is carried to a great extent in those mountains, 
which, from their situation, and from the facility with which signals are 
conveyed from hill to hill, and the consequent assurance that their most 
valuable goods can be conveyed away before any unwelcome guests can arrive, 
seem formed for this illegal traffic. The exertions of those officers in most 
praiseworthy.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia

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Re: [CoTyroneIreland] Dickson (Dungannon) & Robinson (Fintona) Marriage 1809

2017-07-11 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Great news Shirley; always delighted to have feedback.

Regards, Len

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Marriage 1809

Thank you Len!  This is not a direct line for me but David was a sister to my 
Margaret.  Good job!

Shirley in Sydney

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Subject: [CoTyroneIreland] Dickson (Dungannon) & Robinson (Fintona) Marriage 
1809

This rather early marriage announcement may be of interest to researchers 
searching for Dickson & Robinson families in Co. Tyrone :

Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 14 October 1809
[Married] On the 9th instant, Mr. DAVID DICKSON, Sen., of Dungannon, to the 
agreeable Miss ROBINSON, of Fintona.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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[CoTyroneIreland] Dickson (Dungannon) & Robinson (Fintona) Marriage 1809

2017-07-11 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
This rather early marriage announcement may be of interest to researchers 
searching for Dickson & Robinson families in Co. Tyrone :

Belfast Commercial Chronicle, 14 October 1809
[Married] On the 9th instant, Mr. DAVID DICKSON, Sen., of Dungannon, to the 
agreeable Miss ROBINSON, of Fintona.

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia


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[CoTyroneIreland] DEATH OF SAMUEL HURST, CORKILL, KILSKEERY PARISH, CO. TYRONE, 1852

2017-07-08 Thread Len Swindley via CoTyroneList
Hello Listers,
This item may be of interest to a researcher;

Enniskillen Chronicle & Lough Erne Packet
May 13 1852
A man named SAMUEL HURST, residing in Corkill, Kilskeery, died suddenly on 
Sunday morning last under very suspicious circumstances. He had been 
cohabitating with a woman whom he kept in the house with him, and frequently 
disputes had occurred between them. On Sunday morning after his death, she was 
heard to say “Well, he’s gone at last”, and altogether her conduct betrayed a 
good deal of indifference towards the deceased. An inquest was held on the 
body, but nothing particular transpired.

The following Hursts are recorded in Kilskeery Parish in the nineteenth century:
Kilskeery Tithe Applotment Book 1826
ANDREW at Scallon
GEORGE at Drumsonas Lendrum
GEORGE at Makenny
JOHN at Drumsonas Lendrum
JOHN at Killymendon

Griffiths Valuation c1860
WILLIAM at Killymendon

Regards,
Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia
Volunteer transcriber and submitter of files to the County Tyrone, Ireland 
website


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