Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Landed Proprietor followup. CoTyroneList Digest, Vol 664, Issue 1

2020-06-20 Thread elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
Griffiths Valuation lists John Watson with 3 plots in the townland,
totaling 50 acres, which he was renting from John Shaw. So he was a farmer
with a decent amount of land, but which he didn’t own.  He, or his son,
evidently saw that as being a landed proprietor.  Sounds grander than
farmer.


Elwyn

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 23:09, MPGish via CoTyroneList <
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> Reply to, who asked:
> From: ECardwell What was the surname?
> The name was Rev. John Watson C. of I, (Rector of Charlemont, Cty. Armagh
> at the time) marriage in 1885, whose Father (John Watson born 1804 of
> Tamnaskinny(keeny), Kildress, Armagh), is listed as 'Landed
> Proprietor'. I've attached the cert., don't know if it will show up.Thank
> you, Peggy.
>
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> 1885
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> Hello.In reviewing a marriage cert. of 1885 the Father of the Groom is
> described as 'Landed Proprietor.'My google search hasn't given me any real
> info.What does the term mean? The family was from?Tamnaskenny, Parish of
> Kildress.Thank you for any info you can give on this term.Peggy Gish.
> Canada.
>
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> From: Bill Young 
> To: "cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com"
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> 1885
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> Hi
>
> I was puzzled and, like you, intrigued by the term, Landed Proprietor.
> The following is probably unrelated, but nevertheless interesting.
>
> https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Landed+proprietor#:~:text=26%20(Nov
> 
> .,use%20of%20the%20laboring%20peasants.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Bill
>
> Bill Young
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> From: Robert Forrest 
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> Tyrone 1885
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> A Landed proprietor would be a landowner. Someone that has enough land to
> derive income from the proceeds of the land without having to farm.
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> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 08:35:35 +0100
> From: elwyn soutter 
> To: MPGish , "CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List"
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> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Landed Proprietor question. Cty.
> Tyrone 1885
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> To me it meant he owned land. As an example, someone who owned a big
> shooting estate would be a landed proprietor.Occasionally occupations on
> marriage certificates can be a bit tongue in
> cheek, and you sometimes see rather grandiose terms. A dustman becomes a
> refuse disposal operative and so on. I have seen a bride described as  a
> ?gentlewoman? for her occupation, when until that day she had been a
> servant.  If your family were just plain farmers, they may just have been
> having a joke with ?landed proprietor.? Elwyn
>
>
>
> On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 07:09, MPGish via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello.In reviewing a marriage cert. of 1885 the Father of the Groom is
> > described as 'Landed Proprietor.'My google search hasn't given me any
> real
> > info.What does the term mean? The family was from Tamnaskenny, Parish of
> > Kildress.Thank you for any info you can give on this term.Peggy Gish.
> > Canada.
> > ___
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 12:11:35 +0100
> From: ECardwell 
> To: MPGish ,Jim McKane via CoTyroneList
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> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Landed Proprietor question. Cty.
> Tyrone 1885
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> What was the surname?
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> On 20 Jun 2020, 07:09, at 07:09, MPGish via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
> >Hello.In reviewing a marriage cert. of 1885 the Father of the Groom is
> >described as 'Landed Proprietor.'My google search hasn't given me any
> >real info.What does the term mean? The family was from?Tamnaskenny,
> >Parish of Kildress.Thank you for any info you can give on this
> >term.Peggy Gish. Canada.
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Landed Proprietor question. Cty. Tyrone 1885

2020-06-20 Thread ECardwell via CoTyroneList 
What was the surname?

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On 20 Jun 2020, 07:09, at 07:09, MPGish via CoTyroneList 
 wrote:
>Hello.In reviewing a marriage cert. of 1885 the Father of the Groom is
>described as 'Landed Proprietor.'My google search hasn't given me any
>real info.What does the term mean? The family was from Tamnaskenny,
>Parish of Kildress.Thank you for any info you can give on this
>term.Peggy Gish. Canada.
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2020-06-20 Thread Jim McKane via CoTyroneList 
Burt Parish, Co. Donegal, Ireland, Death Announcements 1778-1879


Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!

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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Landed Proprietor question. Cty. Tyrone 1885

2020-06-20 Thread elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList 
To me it meant he owned land. As an example, someone who owned a big
shooting estate would be a landed proprietor.



Occasionally occupations on marriage certificates can be a bit tongue in
cheek, and you sometimes see rather grandiose terms. A dustman becomes a
refuse disposal operative and so on. I have seen a bride described as  a
“gentlewoman” for her occupation, when until that day she had been a
servant.  If your family were just plain farmers, they may just have been
having a joke with “landed proprietor.”



 Elwyn



On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 07:09, MPGish via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Hello.In reviewing a marriage cert. of 1885 the Father of the Groom is
> described as 'Landed Proprietor.'My google search hasn't given me any real
> info.What does the term mean? The family was from Tamnaskenny, Parish of
> Kildress.Thank you for any info you can give on this term.Peggy Gish.
> Canada.
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Landed Proprietor question. Cty. Tyrone 1885

2020-06-20 Thread Robert Forrest via CoTyroneList 
A Landed proprietor would be a landowner. Someone that has enough land to 
derive income from the proceeds of the land without having to farm.

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Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] Landed Proprietor question. Cty. Tyrone 1885

Hello.In reviewing a marriage cert. of 1885 the Father of the Groom is 
described as 'Landed Proprietor.'My google search hasn't given me any real 
info.What does the term mean? The family was from Tamnaskenny, Parish of 
Kildress.Thank you for any info you can give on this term.Peggy Gish. Canada.
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Landed Proprietor question. Cty. Tyrone 1885

2020-06-20 Thread Bill Young via CoTyroneList 
Hi

I was puzzled and, like you, intrigued by the term, Landed Proprietor.  The 
following is probably unrelated, but nevertheless interesting.
https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Landed+proprietor#:~:text=26%20(Nov.,use%20of%20the%20laboring%20peasants.

Kind regards

Bill

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[CoTyroneMailingList] Landed Proprietor question. Cty. Tyrone 1885

2020-06-20 Thread MPGish via CoTyroneList 
Hello.In reviewing a marriage cert. of 1885 the Father of the Groom is 
described as 'Landed Proprietor.'My google search hasn't given me any real 
info.What does the term mean? The family was from Tamnaskenny, Parish of 
Kildress.Thank you for any info you can give on this term.Peggy Gish. Canada.
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