Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] 2nd Cookstown Presbyterian Church)

[W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList]

2nd Cookstown Presbyterian Church is not in Coagh, it is on Molesworth
Street in Cookstown.

Carmen - Ottawa Canada

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019, 16:54 Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Thank you very much, Katherine. I will write them.
> Peggy
>
> On Sunday, September 8, 2019, 01:37:05 p.m. PDT, Katherine Quigley via
> CoTyroneList  wrote:
>
>
> Hi Peggy,
>
> Try contacting this email. i...@presbyterianireland.org
> They were able to provide me with the emails of the reverends at a couple
> of the churches near Drumquin. I think they have a list for Northern
> Ireland. They were very helpful.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Katherine
> On Sep 8, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Peggy Gordon via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
> Would anyone have contact information for the rector at 2nd Cookstown
> Presbyterian Church in Coagh?
> Thank you
> Peggy Gordon
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] County Derry Genealogical list

[W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList]

Thank you very much Elwyn.

The John Stuart you mention dying in 1891 was the son of Andrew Stuart and
Mary ??; the Rev. John Stuart was his son and
he was married to Matilda Ann ??. The Rev Edward Stuart you note was also
the son of Andrew Stuart and was married to
Anne Floyd. All very interesting.

Again, thank you for your assistance.

Carmen

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 11:22 AM elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Carmen,
>
> There isn’t an equivalent site for Co Londonderry but I don’t mind
> answering your query so far as I can.
>
> If Killaig Presbyterian was the family church then its baptism records
> start in 1805 and marriages in 1836. So if daughter Rachel was
> baptised there c 1820 you may get her mother’s maiden name from that.
> Those records don’t appear to be on-line anywhere but there is a copy
> in PRONI in Belfast.
>
> If Killaig is where the couple married, then clearly you won't get a
> date for their marriage as the records don't exist. (They presumably
> married some time between 1800 and 1820).  However tradition was to
> marry in the bride’s church so it’s possible they married elsewhere.
> If you find Mary’s maiden name you could search around but few
> churches have records around 1800 and of those that do, not all are
> on-line. So it may be hard going.
>
> Likewise I doubt you’ll find any documents which give you either of
> their dates of birth. It’s too far back.
>
> In case you don’t have them, I found 2 probate abstracts for the Stuart
> family:
>
> The Will of Ann Jane Stuart late of Ballynacally Beg County
> Londonderry deceased who died 15 December 1875 at same place was
> proved at Londonderry by the oaths of John Stuart of Clintagh
> (Blackhill) and James Baird of Ballynacally (Blackhill) both in said
> County Farmers the Executors.
>
> The Will of John Stuart late of Clintagh County Londonderry Retired
> Farmer who died 11 November 1891 at same place was proved at
> Londonderry by the Reverend John Stuart LL.D. of Clifton Manse
> Londonderry Presbyterian Minister one of the Executors.
>
> Both the above wills are on the PRONI wills site and name numerous
> relatives, and how some of them are related to each other.
>
> Andrew Stewart in the 1831 census of Clintagh. 8 in his household, 5
> males & 3 females, all Presbyterian:
>
>
> http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1831/Londonderry/Coleraine/Aghadowey/Clintagh/24/
>
> Coleraine Chronicle of 18.2.1893 has an article about the will of the
> late Rev Edward Stuart, late of Clintagh.  Retired Presbyterian
> clergyman who left assets of £7,000. The defendants were the executors
> who were his nephews, and the plaintiffs were his brothers and sisters
> who wished to impeach the will on ordinary grounds and who also
> alleged undue influence and fraud. Case was set down for trial on 25th
> of that month.
>
> If you are looking to trace the family back further it might be worth
> checking the Registry of Deeds. The Stewart/Stuart farm was a
> reasonable size (70 acres) and they may well have leases registered in
> the Registry of Deeds which could give you some information in the
> 1700s.
>
>
>
> Elwyn
>
>
> On 05/07/2019, W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList
>  wrote:
> > Jim: Is there a comparable to County Tyrone list for County Derry? I want
> > to post the following but can't find a County Derry list.
> >
> > Can you help? Thanks Carmen
> >
> >
> ***
> >
> > My Great Great Grandfather Andrew Stuart was born about 1779 in Clintagh
> > House, Macosquin, Co. Derry, Northern Ireland and died February 28 1863
> > aged 84 in Clintaugh House, Macosquin, Co. Derry, Northern Ireland (the
> > spelling ‘Clintaugh’ was taken from his headstone in Killaig Presbyterian
> > Burying Ground). He was married to Mary ?? who was born about 1779 and
> died
> > March 16, 1861 aged 82. Andrew was Manager of bleachworks at Aghadowey
> and
> > also had a farm at Clinta.
> >
> > I am interested in knowing:
> >
> > · When did they get married
> >
> > · What was Mary’s maiden name
> >
> > · What is their exact dates of birth
> >
> >
> >
> > Their daughter Rachel Stuart (December 20, 1820-May 17, 1908) married
> James
> > Henry Snr (September 4, 1818-December 27, 1910) on June 1, 1837. Their
> son,
> > Matthew Andrew Henry (June 29, 1858-December 27, 1910) married Sarah
> > Tannahill (December 10, 1868-April 29, 1907) on June 2, 1892 in Killaig
> > Presbyterian Church, Macosquin, Co. Derry, N.I.( 

Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Co Londonderry

[W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList]

Thanks Rob, I will definitely look.

Carmen

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 1:20 PM Rob Doragh via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Hi Carmen,
>
> Probably the best site for information about Co. Londonerry is
> http://billmacafee.com/
> Home Page of Bill Macafee's Family & Local History Website
> 
> Home Page. The purpose of this website is to to provide a research tool
> for anyone interested in researching their ancestors and the localities
> where they lived within the area of Ulster covered by Co. Londonderry and
> North Antrim - read more.
> billmacafee.com
> Rob Doragh
>
> Liverpool UK
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[CoTyroneMailingList] County Derry Genealogical list

[W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList]

Jim: Is there a comparable to County Tyrone list for County Derry? I want
to post the following but can't find a County Derry list.

Can you help? Thanks Carmen

***

My Great Great Grandfather Andrew Stuart was born about 1779 in Clintagh
House, Macosquin, Co. Derry, Northern Ireland and died February 28 1863
aged 84 in Clintaugh House, Macosquin, Co. Derry, Northern Ireland (the
spelling ‘Clintaugh’ was taken from his headstone in Killaig Presbyterian
Burying Ground). He was married to Mary ?? who was born about 1779 and died
March 16, 1861 aged 82. Andrew was Manager of bleachworks at Aghadowey and
also had a farm at Clinta.

I am interested in knowing:

· When did they get married

· What was Mary’s maiden name

· What is their exact dates of birth



Their daughter Rachel Stuart (December 20, 1820-May 17, 1908) married James
Henry Snr (September 4, 1818-December 27, 1910) on June 1, 1837. Their son,
Matthew Andrew Henry (June 29, 1858-December 27, 1910) married Sarah
Tannahill (December 10, 1868-April 29, 1907) on June 2, 1892 in Killaig
Presbyterian Church, Macosquin, Co. Derry, N.I.( Register # 2 -19). Matthew
and Sarah had 9 children one of whom was my mother Martha Jane (Meta) Henry
(May 14, 1903-August 10, 1955). My Grandfather Matthew Andrew Henry had a
brother Edward Stuart Henry (Born April 17, 1854 – per Family Register).
In August of 1873 he emigrated to the U.S.A. His father James Henry
contacted the police in New York City but was unable to determine anything.

I personally found a number of things relating to an Edward Henry who lived
in Danbury Connecticut but I doubt if this is the correct person. They had
nine children four of whom lived. One was called Theresa but I doubt that
(my) Edward would have named his daughter Theresa as his father James was
very religious and was an Elder in Killaig Church.



Any help greatly appreciated.



Carmen in Ottawa Canada
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Help with Tracing Mathew Yarrow and family from Oritor, County Tyrone.

[W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList]

Matter of interest Sue, but Orritor is very close to Kildress, both are
located in Cookstown Co. Tyrone.

Carmen in Canada.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 1:45 AM Dave Mitchell via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Hello Sue
>
>
>
> A small note …   I have come across the surname “Knobbs” in Londonderry,
> ca. 1900.  William Knobbs was a stonemason, wife Sarah, daughter Matilda.
>
>
>
> Possibly “Nobbs” and “Knobbs” were spelling variations of the same surname.
>
>
>
> Sincerely
>
>
>
> Dave Mitchell
>
> Cape Town
>
> South Africa
>
>
>
> *From:* CoTyroneList  *On
> Behalf Of *. . via CoTyroneList
> *Sent:* 20 May 2019 05:10 AM
> *To:* cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com; suzanne.pi...@bigpond.com
> *Cc:* . . 
> *Subject:* [CoTyroneMailingList] Help with Tracing Mathew Yarrow and
> family from Oritor, County Tyrone.
>
>
>
> Hi Team
>
>
>
> I have recently subscribed to the email list so apologies if what I am
> asking is not what this list is designed for..
>
>
>
>
> My name is Sue Piper.  My great great grandmother was Matilda Yarrow who
> immigrated to Australia from Oritor County Tyrone in 1842. Matilda arrived
> with her 2 sisters , Margaret and Eliza. Their father is listed as Mathew
> Yarrow (bootmaker)  and mother as Margaret or (Anne) Yarrow (née Nobbs   as
> stated on the death certificate I have for Matilda). I have been trying to
> find information about Matilda, her siblings and her parents to see where
> they came from ( if they immigrated to Ireland from elsewhere
> -Scotland perhaps??).
>
>
>
> I have found reference to a Mathew Yarrow on the Tithe Aplotments register
> in 1826 for Kildress  and was wondering if this is the same person. I have
> checked John Grenham and there is no Mathew Yarrow mentioned so i have no
> idea when he passed away - or why the sisters shipped to Australia in 1842
> (seems for work however).
>
>
>
> I am travelling to Ireland in mid June but will not have time to get to
> Tyrone.
>
>
>
> Hoping you can point me in the right direction?
>
>
>
> Kindest rehgards
>
>
>
> Sue Piper
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Alexander Ferguson

[W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList]

Thank you so much Elwyn. I will contact the Minister of Coagh Presbyterian
Church.

Take care  Carmen

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 7:53 PM Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Hi Carmen
>
> If the family is Presbyterian I have had success following the minister.
> The Presbyterians were closely linked to their pastor and records are
> pretty good for who served where. Whole congregations often moved with the
> pastor.  This may help you narrow your search to a specific area, time and
> place and group of people. This has been studied by several Thesis
> including Glenn Lucus excellent work on Presbyterians in Carleton County ,
> Ottawa Canada and Rankin Sherling, Presbyterian Clerical migration, Queens
> University Kingston Ontario.. Good speed.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ron McCoy
> On 2019-04-09 3:44 p.m., W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList wrote:
>
> Thank you Elwyn.
>
>
>
> Alexander had four children –
>
>
> John 1843-1927
>
> James 1850-1901
>
> Alexander Duff 1854-1856
>
> Jane no idea
>
>
> I have no record of when they were baptized. My Grandfather (John) married
> Mary Jane Bell (March 3, 1891 in Moneymore Second Presbyterian Church). She
> was born in 1861 in Mullaghtironey, Coagh, Co. Tyrone – I don’t know the
> month and day and died April 9, 1945. John and Mary Jane are both buried in
> Coagh Presbyterian Burying ground.  Interesting April 9 – that’s 74 years
> ago today; I actually walked behind her hearse at her funeral.
>
>
>
> Thanks again for the information provided.
>
>
>
> Carmen
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 2:37 PM elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>> Carmen,
>>
>> Statutory birth registration only started in Ireland in 1864, so you
>> won’t find a birth certificate for Alexander or Matilda. Prior to that
>> year you need to rely on church baptism records, where they exist.
>> Likewise for marriages, statutory marriage registration only started
>> in 1845 (for non RC marriages) and 1864 for RC.
>>
>> Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church (after which she’d
>> usually attend her husband’s).  That they were buried in Coagh
>> Presbyterian is a hint that it was possibly Alexander’s family church.
>> And it might have been Matilda’s family church too.
>>
>> If so, the news is not great. That church has no baptism records
>> earlier than 1839. It has marriages for 1820-1822 and then none till
>> 1845.  If that is the church where they were baptised and married then
>> there don’t appear to be any surviving records.
>>
>> Did the couple have any children, and if so do you know where they
>> were baptised?
>>
>>
>> Elwyn
>>
>>
>> On 09/04/2019, W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList
>>  wrote:
>> > My Great Grandfather Alexander Ferguson was born 1811 in Ballymoyle,
>> Coagh,
>> > Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland and died the same place on June 13, 1887. I
>> > don’t know his month or day of birth.  He married Matilda someone (I
>> > believe Duff); she was born about 1808 but I don’t know where and died
>> > September 19, 1882. I also don’t know when they were married. They are
>> both
>> > buried in Coagh Presbyterian Burying ground.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Any help much appreciated
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Carmen Ferguson Ottawa, Canada
>> >
>>
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Alexander Ferguson

[W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList]

Thank you Elwyn.



Alexander had four children –


John 1843-1927

James 1850-1901

Alexander Duff 1854-1856

Jane no idea


I have no record of when they were baptized. My Grandfather (John) married
Mary Jane Bell (March 3, 1891 in Moneymore Second Presbyterian Church). She
was born in 1861 in Mullaghtironey, Coagh, Co. Tyrone – I don’t know the
month and day and died April 9, 1945. John and Mary Jane are both buried in
Coagh Presbyterian Burying ground.  Interesting April 9 – that’s 74 years
ago today; I actually walked behind her hearse at her funeral.



Thanks again for the information provided.



Carmen

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 2:37 PM elwyn soutter via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Carmen,
>
> Statutory birth registration only started in Ireland in 1864, so you
> won’t find a birth certificate for Alexander or Matilda. Prior to that
> year you need to rely on church baptism records, where they exist.
> Likewise for marriages, statutory marriage registration only started
> in 1845 (for non RC marriages) and 1864 for RC.
>
> Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church (after which she’d
> usually attend her husband’s).  That they were buried in Coagh
> Presbyterian is a hint that it was possibly Alexander’s family church.
> And it might have been Matilda’s family church too.
>
> If so, the news is not great. That church has no baptism records
> earlier than 1839. It has marriages for 1820-1822 and then none till
> 1845.  If that is the church where they were baptised and married then
> there don’t appear to be any surviving records.
>
> Did the couple have any children, and if so do you know where they
> were baptised?
>
>
> Elwyn
>
>
> On 09/04/2019, W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList
>  wrote:
> > My Great Grandfather Alexander Ferguson was born 1811 in Ballymoyle,
> Coagh,
> > Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland and died the same place on June 13, 1887. I
> > don’t know his month or day of birth.  He married Matilda someone (I
> > believe Duff); she was born about 1808 but I don’t know where and died
> > September 19, 1882. I also don’t know when they were married. They are
> both
> > buried in Coagh Presbyterian Burying ground.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any help much appreciated
> >
> >
> >
> > Carmen Ferguson Ottawa, Canada
> >
>
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[CoTyroneMailingList] Alexander Ferguson

[W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList]

My Great Grandfather Alexander Ferguson was born 1811 in Ballymoyle, Coagh,
Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland and died the same place on June 13, 1887. I
don’t know his month or day of birth.  He married Matilda someone (I
believe Duff); she was born about 1808 but I don’t know where and died
September 19, 1882. I also don’t know when they were married. They are both
buried in Coagh Presbyterian Burying ground.



Any help much appreciated



Carmen Ferguson Ottawa, Canada
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Maps - added Tyrone - Number of British Families 1622 Survey

[W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList]

I did as you suggested, went to the Home Page, clicked on Maps in the Menu,
got the Maps menu, clicked on  " *Tyrone* - Multi-map provides good maps
"
then clicked on Cookstown, then on  1, and got exactly the same thing -
where I live in Ottawa, Canada.

It's definitely not my computer Jim.

Carmen

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 2:48 PM Jim McKane via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> That's odd as when I click on this link I get our Maps menu. Go to the
> homepage; then choose Maps and find it in the list.
>
> Must be an issue with your computer???
>
> Jim
>
> Jim McKane
> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 11:34 AM Katie Green via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Very weird. When I click on maps, all I get is a map of where I live here
>> in Wisconsin. I tried it repeatedly.
>>
>> Katie
>>
>> On Jan 24, 2019, at 7:23 AM, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList <
>> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>>
>> Maps - added Tyrone - Number of British Families 1622 Survey
>> 
>>
>> Thanks to Howard Mathieson for another great addition to CTI!
>>
>>
>> Jim McKane
>> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Maps - added Tyrone - Number of British Families 1622 Survey

[W A Carmen Ferguson via CoTyroneList]

Interesting Katie; I get exactly the same thing when I click on " *Tyrone* -
Multi-map provides good maps
".   I get where I live in
Ottawa Canada.

Carmen

On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 11:34 AM Katie Green via CoTyroneList <
cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Very weird. When I click on maps, all I get is a map of where I live here
> in Wisconsin. I tried it repeatedly.
>
> Katie
>
> On Jan 24, 2019, at 7:23 AM, Jim McKane via CoTyroneList <
> cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> wrote:
>
> Maps - added Tyrone - Number of British Families 1622 Survey
> 
>
> Thanks to Howard Mathieson for another great addition to CTI!
>
>
> Jim McKane
> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] CoTyroneIreland.com - New Content - Derryloran Parish Church (St. Luran' s Church of Ireland), Cookstown, Co. Tyrone Marriages 1845-50

[Carmen Ferguson]

Probably Forthill Cemetery Cookstown. This Cemetery opened early 1900s. If
the burial was prior to this date
then I would suggest perhaps Derryloran Old Cemetery.

Carmen in Ottawa Canada

On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Bill And Chris  wrote:

> Unsure if this is the correct forum to ask this question...If someone
> attended Derryloran Church, what cemetery might they be buried in?
> Thank you,
> Regards, Chris Scarrow
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Apr 19, 2018, at 8:10 AM, Jim McKane  wrote:
>
> Derryloran Parish Church (St. Luran's Church of Ireland), Cookstown,
> Co. Tyrone Marriages 1845-50
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> Thanks again to Len Swindley for another great addition to CTI!
>
> Jim McKane
> South Bruce Peninsula, Ontario
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Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] Moyle Cottage

[Carmen Ferguson]

I've not heard of Moyle cottage but there is a Moyle Road just outside of
Newtownstewart.

Carmen in Ottawa Canada

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:15 AM, Len Swindley 
wrote:

> Hello Tom,
>
>
>
> I can’t give you the location of Moyle Cottage in Newtownstewart, but it
> would have been close by the River Moyle, perhaps in Moyle Glebe townland.
> Referring to *Ardstraw: Historical Survey of a* *Parish* – Canon John H.
> Gebbie (Strule Press, Omagh, Co. Tyrone, 1968)
>
> Page 108
>
> ..Between 300-400 names eminent in professions, educated in this
> parish. It contains a Dean of Maynooth, several Rectors in the clerical
> section. Of medicals, three who have won the honour of knighthood. “And all
> this from a parish whose only resources are agricultural, whose gentry are
> few, and where the average size of farms is under 20 acres of but middling
> land.”
>
> A brief selection of these names: Sir Thomas MacClear, astronomer Royal
> and Cape of Good Hope, friend and adviser of David Livingstone. His uncle,
> Doctor Sir George MacClear . Both born in a cottage at Moyle
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Len Swindley, Melbourne. Australia
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> *From: *Tom Chambers 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, 10 April 2018 9:33 PM
> *To: *CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com
> *Subject: *[CoTyroneMailingList] Moyle Cottage
>
>
>
> I have seen many references for famous people of Newtownstewart coming
> from Moyle Cottage.  This includes the famous astronomer Sir Thomas Maclear
> and other Sir xxx Magrath.  My interest is that Martha Maclear (Sir Thomas
> Maclear brother) married my 3rd Great Grandfather John Chambers.
>
> So, does anyone know where Moyle Cottage is/was and who then was Moyle?
>
> Tom Chambers
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>
>
> Names in eminent professions, educated in this parish. It contains a Dean
> of Maynooth, several Recotrs in the clerical section. Of -
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