Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account
Hello pjl265sh, You will find the history of the Archbishopric of Armagh Estate at https://www.libraryireland.com/topog/A/Armagh-See-of.php Regards and happy reading, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of pjl265sh--- via CoTyroneList Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 4:51:54 AM To: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList Cc: pjl26...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account How did the Archbishop come to be in possession of these lands? Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:53 PM To: ecardw...@btinternet.com<mailto:ecardw...@btinternet.com>; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List<mailto:cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com> Cc: Len Swindley<mailto:len_swind...@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account Hello Evelyn, Thanks for your input on the growing and harvesting of potatoes; always good to receive insights from a researcher residing in Co. Tyrone; your time employed in a heritage museum allows us to benefit from your research and experience of working amongst the relics and records of times gone by. All researchers residing outside Northern Ireland value your insight on this and also your generous transcriptions of the 1703 Archbishopric of Armagh estate lease books (Ashe Manuscripts) http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh_cornwall.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1693.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html Many thanks indeed for your kindness and regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia (volunteer transcriber and submitter of files to CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of EVELYN CARDWELL via CoTyroneList Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 10:53:14 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: EVELYN CARDWELL Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account Ron's description of the joys of planting and picking potatoes is an excellent record of the task and backache involved before mechanisation. If only more people would record their memories like this. However most people in early 19th century Ireland were only growing smaller quantities for the use of their families, perhaps an acre or two at most, and not on a commercial basis. With families to assist, it was not a particularly time consuming task, especially during the growing season in summer. Lyn Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers_wl=ym_sub1=Internal_sub2=Global_YGrowth_sub3=EmailSignature> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 19:01, Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList wrote: ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com> http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account
How did the Archbishop come to be in possession of these lands? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Len Swindley via CoTyroneList Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:53 PM To: ecardw...@btinternet.com; CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: Len Swindley Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account Hello Evelyn, Thanks for your input on the growing and harvesting of potatoes; always good to receive insights from a researcher residing in Co. Tyrone; your time employed in a heritage museum allows us to benefit from your research and experience of working amongst the relics and records of times gone by. All researchers residing outside Northern Ireland value your insight on this and also your generous transcriptions of the 1703 Archbishopric of Armagh estate lease books (Ashe Manuscripts) http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh_cornwall.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1693.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html Many thanks indeed for your kindness and regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia (volunteer transcriber and submitter of files to CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of EVELYN CARDWELL via CoTyroneList Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 10:53:14 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: EVELYN CARDWELL Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account Ron's description of the joys of planting and picking potatoes is an excellent record of the task and backache involved before mechanisation. If only more people would record their memories like this. However most people in early 19th century Ireland were only growing smaller quantities for the use of their families, perhaps an acre or two at most, and not on a commercial basis. With families to assist, it was not a particularly time consuming task, especially during the growing season in summer. Lyn Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 19:01, Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList wrote: ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account
Hello Evelyn, Thanks for your input on the growing and harvesting of potatoes; always good to receive insights from a researcher residing in Co. Tyrone; your time employed in a heritage museum allows us to benefit from your research and experience of working amongst the relics and records of times gone by. All researchers residing outside Northern Ireland value your insight on this and also your generous transcriptions of the 1703 Archbishopric of Armagh estate lease books (Ashe Manuscripts) http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh_cornwall.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1693.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html http://www.cotyroneireland.com/estates/armagh1703.html Many thanks indeed for your kindness and regards, Len Swindley, Melbourne, Australia (volunteer transcriber and submitter of files to CTI http://www.cotyroneireland.com/ Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: CoTyroneList on behalf of EVELYN CARDWELL via CoTyroneList Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 10:53:14 PM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: EVELYN CARDWELL Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account Ron's description of the joys of planting and picking potatoes is an excellent record of the task and backache involved before mechanisation. If only more people would record their memories like this. However most people in early 19th century Ireland were only growing smaller quantities for the use of their families, perhaps an acre or two at most, and not on a commercial basis. With families to assist, it was not a particularly time consuming task, especially during the growing season in summer. Lyn Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android<https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers_wl=ym_sub1=Internal_sub2=Global_YGrowth_sub3=EmailSignature> On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 19:01, Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList wrote: ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com<mailto:CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com> http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account
Lyn; Your opinion regarding the tasks associated with growing potatoes is Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: EVELYN CARDWELL via CoTyroneList Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 7:54 AM To: CoTyroneIreland.com Mailing List Cc: EVELYN CARDWELL Subject: Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account Ron's description of the joys of planting and picking potatoes is an excellent record of the task and backache involved before mechanisation. If only more people would record their memories like this. However most people in early 19th century Ireland were only growing smaller quantities for the use of their families, perhaps an acre or two at most, and not on a commercial basis. With families to assist, it was not a particularly time consuming task, especially during the growing season in summer. Lyn; The insinuation of the opinion you expressed regarding those with an acre or two of potatoes is blind to the reality of life in Ireland for the majority of the population. Have you considered: the impact of the Penal laws, the absentee landlord system, political and legal systems designed to hold people down , etc, etc, etc. History is not something that we can pick and chose from to support our position. To do so is to build barriers and to carry into the future that upon which the sins of the past were founded. Regards; Patrick J. Logan (Lagan) Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 19:01, Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList wrote: ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account
Ron's description of the joys of planting and picking potatoes is an excellent record of the task and backache involved before mechanisation. If only more people would record their memories like this. However most people in early 19th century Ireland were only growing smaller quantities for the use of their families, perhaps an acre or two at most, and not on a commercial basis. With families to assist, it was not a particularly time consuming task, especially during the growing season in summer. Lyn Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 19:01, Ron McCoy via CoTyroneList wrote: ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s
Re: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account
Peter, I take your point about the Lieutenant’slikely background but there are plenty of other contemporaneous descriptions oflife in Ireland in the mid 1800s, some written by respected Irish born people that tend tosupport his account of rural life. The image of spending 12 hours planting potatoes is suitably graphic but, the time spent plantingpotatoes each year wasn’t excessive. One of the many great aspects of potatoes is theyare a low maintenance crop. They are easy to plant, grow particularly well inmost Irish soil (save if blighted of course) and need very little attention.You stick them in and then forget about them. You don’t need to spend much timeon them at all. You also get more spuds to the acre than nearly any other cropand so if land is in short supply, and you have a large family – as was oftenthe case then – they are ideal. That then left the labourer free to undertakeother work, if there was any. The easewith which potatoes grew, was one of the reasons why people were so reluctantto grow anything else, even when faced with possible blight. Elwyn From: peter mcdonald via CoTyroneList To: cotyronelist@cotyroneireland.com Cc: peter mcdonald Sent: Friday, 26 October 2018, 16:51 Subject: [CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account > In the British army of the time, commissions, such as that of Lieutenant, > were acquired through purchase. The cheapest lieutenancy, in an infantry > regiment, cost seven hundred pounds. Access to that sort of money, roughly > equivalent to fifty-eight thousand pounds sterling today, places the > lieutenant in a social class unlikely to have had much contact with people > like our peasant ancestors. No wonder he was shocked. Across Europe, subsistence farmers have shared their accommodation with their animals as a matter of course, partly to benefit from the heat generated by the beasts in winter. In parts of France, where I live, earthen floors and wandering livestock are still to be found. Anyone passing by many farms anywhere today would notice defunct machinery rusting away in farmyard or behind apparently ramshackle buildings. Farming, other than of the massive-scale, highly mechanised industrial variety, tends to be a messy business. No doubt Tyrone then, as Tyrone today, had its share of ne'erdo wells, but it’s not easy to get up to mischief when you have just spent up to twelve hours planting the potatoes that you and your family will depend on through the winter, or cutting turf so you don’t die of cold. We should not view our ancestors through rose-tinted glasses, but it is worth bearing in mind that the good lieutenant had his own prism when looking at a people who shared neither his background, nor his religious beliefs, nor yet, in many cases, his first language. He would have been viewed as the representative of an army of occupation by many in the Catholic population. I hope this contributes usefully to the conversation around this account. ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s
[CoTyroneMailingList] A few thoughts on the Lt. Stother account
> In the British army of the time, commissions, such as that of Lieutenant, > were acquired through purchase. The cheapest lieutenancy, in an infantry > regiment, cost seven hundred pounds. Access to that sort of money, roughly > equivalent to fifty-eight thousand pounds sterling today, places the > lieutenant in a social class unlikely to have had much contact with people > like our peasant ancestors. No wonder he was shocked. Across Europe, subsistence farmers have shared their accommodation with their animals as a matter of course, partly to benefit from the heat generated by the beasts in winter. In parts of France, where I live, earthen floors and wandering livestock are still to be found. Anyone passing by many farms anywhere today would notice defunct machinery rusting away in farmyard or behind apparently ramshackle buildings. Farming, other than of the massive-scale, highly mechanised industrial variety, tends to be a messy business. No doubt Tyrone then, as Tyrone today, had its share of ne'erdo wells, but it’s not easy to get up to mischief when you have just spent up to twelve hours planting the potatoes that you and your family will depend on through the winter, or cutting turf so you don’t die of cold. We should not view our ancestors through rose-tinted glasses, but it is worth bearing in mind that the good lieutenant had his own prism when looking at a people who shared neither his background, nor his religious beliefs, nor yet, in many cases, his first language. He would have been viewed as the representative of an army of occupation by many in the Catholic population. I hope this contributes usefully to the conversation around this account. ___ CoTyroneList mailing list CoTyroneList@cotyroneireland.com http://mail.cotyroneireland.com/mailman/listinfo/ (_internal_name)s
