Hi Alex

This might be relevant but there is a book called "Newtownstewart
Remembered" by Billy Dunbar. The names Dunbar, McCrossan and Smyth are
mentioned in the book.

Regards

Pat

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Boyd Gray <boydgra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> Well, to start with, Matilda cannot be born in 1859 and get married in
> 1867.  Aged 8?  First we need to sort out who is who.
>
> Okay, so let's assume that you have the right marriage and the birth is
> spurious, this is her:
>
> Civil Marriage Record
> Date of Marriage: 09-May-1867
> Parish / District: STRABANE County: TYRONE
> Husband Wife
> Name: David Dumbar Matilda Smyth
> Address: Letterbrat Ballynamallaght
> Occupation: FARMER
> Age: 22 22
> Status: Bachelor (Previously unmarried) Spinster (Previously unmarried)
> Husband's Father Wife's Father
> Name: John Dumbar James Smyth
> Address:
> Occupation: FARMER FARMER
> Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
> Name:
> Address:
> Occupation:
> Witness 1 Witness 2
> Name: James Robert Tynan William Smyth
> Address:
> Notes:
> DUNAMANA PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH  PARISH OF DONAGHADY.BOTH AGES GIVEN AS
> FULL OVER 21.
>
> If this is accurate, she was born before 1845, so there will be no civil
> birth record (they began in 1864).
>
> This is her father, he held Plot 13, a 1 acre farm in Ballynamallght in
> the Parish of Donaghedy in 1859:
>
> Griffith's Valuation Record Information
> Tenant
> Family Name 1 SMYTH
> Forename 1 JAMES
> Landlord
> Family Name 2 OGILBY
> Forename 2 JAMES
> Location
> County TYRONE
> Barony STRABANE, LOWER
> Union GORTIN
> Parish DONAGHEDY
> Townland BALLYNAMALLAGHT
> Place Name BALLYNAMALLAGHT
> Place Type TOWNLAND
> Publication Details
> Position on Page 40
> Printing Date 1859
> Act 15&16
> Sheet Number 6
> Map Reference 13 A,B
>
> This is his death:
>
> Name JAMES SMYTH
> Year of Death 1904
> Group Registration ID 3452678
> SR District/Reg Area Strabane
> Deceased Age at Death 96
> Image
> Son, Jacob, also of Ballynamallaght, was present at death
>
> This is her in 1901:
>
> 1901 Census:
> Residents of a house 18 in Letterbrat (Plumbridge, Tyrone)
> Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation
> Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
> Dunbar David 59 Male Head of Family Presbyterian Co Tyrone Farmer Read
> and write - Married -
> Dunbar Matilda Jane 52 Female Wife Presbyterian Co Tyrone - Read and write
> - Married -
> Dunbar Sarah Ann 20 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Tyrone General Read
> and write - Not Married -
> Dunbar Maggie 18 Female Daughter Presbyterian Co Tyrone General Read and
> write - Not Married -
> Dunbar David 16 Male Son Presbyterian Co Tyrone General Read and write - Not
> Married -
>
> That gives a YoB of 1849.... but this census is often wrong.
>
> And here she is in 1911:
>
> 1911 Census:
> Residents of a house 7 in Letterbrat (Plumb Bridge, Tyrone)
> Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation
> Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married 
> Children
> Born Children Living
> Dunbar Matilda Jane 65 Female Head of Family Presbyterian Co Tyrone - Read
> and write - Widow - 44 8 7
> Dunbar James 32 Male Son Presbyterian Co Tyrone Farmer Read and write -
> Single -
>
> This gives her age as 1846, which is more or less what I guessed from her
> marriage, so forget 1959.  And probably Upper Badoney..... unless you know
> different.
>
> This is the death of David which you already have, it seems:
>
> Name DAVID DUNBAR
> Year of Death 1907
> Group Registration ID 3561946
> SR District/Reg Area Strabane
> Deceased Age at Death 68
> Image
>
> He was a farmer from Letterbrat and his daughter, Sarah, was present at
> his death.
>
> This is very probably her death but YOU need to buy the death cert from
> GRONI to be sure.  It costs only £2.50:
>
> D/1923/220/1027/12/173 Jane Dunbar 25th December 1922 77 Female 
> Strabane(pre-1973
> Q4)
>
> Where did you get the 1851 census?!  And her mother's name?
>
> They will be buried in the nearest Presbyterian church.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Regards,
>
> Boyd
>
> https://www.facebook.com/westulstergenealogy/
>
> http://familytrees.genopro.com/boydgray26/Boyd/
>
> https://boydgray26.wixsite.com/westulstergenealogy
>
>
> On 29 April 2018 at 20:37, alex carlisle <alex_carli...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi my name is Alex Carlisle I live in England and I'd be really grateful
>> if someone would be able to help me please, i'm trying to trace my
>> family ancestors in Co Tyrone, in particular my Grt Grt Gran Matilda Jane
>> Dunbar Nee Smyth, born 1859 Glencoppogagh townland upper Badney Parish, I
>> do not know when she died or where she is buried.  Matilda married David
>> Dunbar in Donemana Presbyterian Church in 1867, David died in Letterbrat in
>> Upper Badney in 1907. Also her father, James Smyth, her mother Matilda nee
>> McCrossan this is all I found on the 1851 census.  i'd be most grateful
>> for any help if finding where /when they died or where they are buried.
>>
>> kind regards & many thanks
>>
>> Alex
>>
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