Re: [courier-users] courier-authlib and vpopmail aka authvchkpw

2009-02-13 Thread Bernd Plagge
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 From: alexus ale...@gmail.com
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 Subject: [courier-users] courier-authlib and vpopmail aka authvchkpw
 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:35:03 -0500
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 0.60.4
 
 2008-05-08  Mr. Sam  s...@email-scan.com
 
   * Makefile: Drop the unmaintained authvchkpw module.
 ---
 
 so this is it? just like that? I don't know if you realize it, but yet
 a lot of us still using it and even if not majority ... there is a lot
 of us out there, and I don't know in terms of maintains wise, but it
 never gave me any problems at all, and I was happy to say I'm using
 Courier-IMAP w/ Courier-Authlib, now I'm screwed big time! and I don't
 want to use old version :-( *sigh*
 
 Can't someone help us out here?
 
 
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I changed from qmail/vpopmail to Courier about 2 years ago.
It does take planning and you want to set up a test server and make sure that 
you understand the main configuration options and the whole concept.
SPAM prevention actually becomes easier; the main reason being Gordons 
pythonfilter. 

This is just a recommendation but I'm sure you won't regret it.

Regards,
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[courier-users] courier does not more accept mails if I am off-line

2009-02-13 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello,

I do not know, what I have done, but if I send a message from my  Laptop
or my workstation, ANYTHING in my  network  must  go  over  my  Intranet
mailserver mail.private.tamay-dogan.net. (see header of this message)

Also I  have  dns.private.tamay-dogan.net  which  is  the  master  for
private.tamay-dogan.net and chache for the  rest  and  catch  anything
before requests go out of my @home network.

This all ist working fine, but since two  weeks  I  can  not  more  send
messages if my Internet connection goes down...

This should not be!

The ssmtp config of my workstation is:

[ '/etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf' ]-
root=r...@michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net
mailhub=mail.private.tamay-dogan.net
rewriteDomain=michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net
hostname=michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net
FromLineOverride=YES


and the

[ '/etc/resolv.conf' ]--
search private.tamay-dogan.net
nameserver 192.168.0.74


which is correct too.

But now sending a message, mutt tell me it can  not  resolv  the  Domain
tamay-dogan.net...  Tracing it back show me, that this  message  comes
from courier and the problem is NOT in mutt.

So, the question is, why does courier not more accept any  messages  and
send it, if the internet connection comes back?

I want the previosly behaviour, that  it  accept  ANY  mesages  from  my
*.private.tamay-dogan.net network.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
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Re: [courier-users] courier-authlib and vpopmail aka authvchkpw

2009-02-13 Thread alexus
i dont know about that... i dont think qmail is dead, i use netqmail
actually if it makes any difference, but it's basically same thing

and yes, i agree it is pain in the ... to configure and apply all
patches and make sure they working with each other, and get all other
3rd party apps.
i dont know, i've been using this mta for long time and i dont know if
i want to migrate off of it at least not now, i just dont know if i'm
ready yet.

i need mta that supports virtual users, that is very secure, that
doesn't require a lot of work to maintain it, that doesn't lack
features of modern mta, that is light.

qmail/netqmail did most of it just fine... i'm in the process
migrating from old server to new hardware, so i guess now would be a
good time to change stuff, but i dont see other then netqmail mta
solution out there for me for now... i'm going have to try out other
servers, maybe dovecot or something, they still support vpopmail, see
how that works out for me...

i dont know what else to say, i really hope someone will step up and
offer their help and time towards supporting this module for
couier-imap, i would myself if i had some experience in developing...




On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Sam Varshavchik mr...@courier-mta.com wrote:
 alexus writes:

 0.60.4

 2008-05-08  Mr. Sam  s...@email-scan.com

* Makefile: Drop the unmaintained authvchkpw module.
 ---

 so this is it? just like that? I don't know if you realize it, but yet
 a lot of us still using it and even if not majority ... there is a lot
 of us out there, and I don't know in terms of maintains wise, but it
 never gave me any problems at all,

 You are in a small minority. Most people had plenty of issues with it, and
 nobody could help them, since -- despite your claims of vchkpw's popularity
 -- its userbase is practically non-existent.

 Qmail is dead, and has been dead for many years now. And without Qmail,
 vchkpw has no future. Anyone who has concerns about long term future of
 their mail platform, should've made plans long ago to migrate from Qmail to
 any one of many other actively used mail servers. The remaining Qmail user
 base is just the existing, legacy servers. Nobody with a sane mind would
 install a brand new Qmail server these days. Not when it lacks pretty much
 every feature all modern mail servers are expected to offer, and especially
 if installing it automatically qualifies one for blacklisting as a source of
 abusive backscatter bounce bombs. I've got more than a thousand IPs
 blacklisted for mailbombing me with garbage bounces -- I'd say at least a
 third of them are Qmail-running morons.

 Can't someone help us out here?

 Although there were several offers to maintain vchkpw support in Courier --
 and the offer to become a co-maintainer of the vchkpw module is still open
 to anyone who wants to take it -- once they realize what kind of commitment
 that involves, nobody followed through. The best help anyone will be able to
 offer you is advice on migrating off Qmail to something that's actually had
 a new release, in the last couple of years.

 If someone volunteered to step up to the plate and be responsible for
 maintaining vchkpw code, they are welcome to do so. But nobody seriously did
 it, in more than six months now, so the realistic chances of that happening
 are slim to none.


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Re: [courier-users] courier-authlib and vpopmail aka authvchkpw

2009-02-13 Thread Jerry Amundson
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM, alexus ale...@gmail.com wrote:
 i dont know about that... i dont think qmail is dead, i use netqmail
 actually if it makes any difference, but it's basically same thing

dead horse... beating...

jerry

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Re: [courier-users] courier does not more accept mails if I am off-line

2009-02-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
Michelle Konzack wrote:
 
 But now sending a message, mutt tell me it can  not  resolv  the  Domain
 tamay-dogan.net...  Tracing it back show me, that this  message  comes
 from courier and the problem is NOT in mutt.

Do you find that error in your Courier system's logs?

How is mutt sending mail?  Does it connect to your Courier server, or to 
a local ssmtp server?

 So, the question is, why does courier not more accept any  messages  and
 send it, if the internet connection comes back?
 
 I want the previosly behaviour, that  it  accept  ANY  mesages  from  my
 *.private.tamay-dogan.net network.

Courier will only accept a message if the sender's domain resolves.  If 
you want to send email while you are offline, you need to make sure that 
the local DNS server resolves the sender's address when you are offline. 
  That probably means that your local DNS server needs to be either the 
master or a slave for the private.tamay-dogan.net zone.


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Re: [courier-users] courier-authlib and vpopmail aka authvchkpw

2009-02-13 Thread Gordon Messmer
alexus wrote:
 i need mta that supports virtual users

Courier

 that is very secure

Courier

 that doesn't require a lot of work to maintain it

Courier

  that doesn't lack features of modern mta

Courier

 that is light.

Courier

 i dont know what else to say, i really hope someone will step up and
 offer their help and time towards supporting this module for
 couier-imap, i would myself if i had some experience in developing...

What features of vpopmail do you need that Courier doesn't support?  Is 
it just a matter of managing virtual users?  I've used Quica several 
times with reasonably good results.


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Re: [courier-users] courier does not more accept mails if I am off-line

2009-02-13 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 13:02 -0800, Gordon Messmer wrote:
 Courier will only accept a message if the sender's domain resolves.  If 
 you want to send email while you are offline, you need to make sure that 
 the local DNS server resolves the sender's address when you are offline. 
   That probably means that your local DNS server needs to be either the 
 master or a slave for the private.tamay-dogan.net zone.

Or

You can do it the simple, old-fashioned way by putting the IP addresses
and names in /etc/hosts, which will make Courier happy as long as
your /etc/nsswitch.conf file agrees.

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Re: [courier-users] courier does not more accept mails if I am off-line

2009-02-13 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Michelle Konzack writes:



But now sending a message, mutt tell me it can  not  resolv  the  Domain
tamay-dogan.net...  Tracing it back show me, that this  message  comes
from courier and the problem is NOT in mutt.


Post what you see in syslog.




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Re: [courier-users] courier-authlib and vpopmail aka authvchkpw

2009-02-13 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 12:03 -0500, alexus wrote:
 i'm in the process
 migrating from old server to new hardware, so i guess now would be a
 good time to change stuff, but i dont see other then netqmail mta
 solution out there for me for now... i'm going have to try out other
 servers, maybe dovecot or something, they still support vpopmail, see
 how that works out for me...

You don't need _any_ 2nd party software to support virtual mail in
Courier.  See http://www.courier-mta.org/FAQ.html#vdomains.  The way I
use here is described about halfway down the section - The other way to
implement virtual domains is by using a custom authentication back-end,
etc.

It's very simple to do.  If you're setting up a new box, it's a perfect
time to set this up.

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[courier-users] OT: Time is 1234567890

2009-02-13 Thread Lindsay Haisley
In about 3 minutes, Unix epoch time will be:

1234567890

http://coolepochcountdown.com/

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Re: [courier-users] courier does not more accept mails if I am off-line

2009-02-13 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 18:31 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
 No -- Courier always uses DNS queries. Courier does not consult the hosts 
 file.

Noted.  Thank you, Sam.

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Re: [courier-users] OT: Time is 1234567890

2009-02-13 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2009-02-13 17:28:30, schrieb Lindsay Haisley:
 In about 3 minutes, Unix epoch time will be:
 
 1234567890

date --date=@1234567890
Sa 14. Feb 00:31:30 CET 2009

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Re: [courier-users] courier does not more accept mails if I am off-line

2009-02-13 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi Sam,

Am 2009-02-13 18:08:18, schrieb Sam Varshavchik:
 Post what you see in syslog.

noting in syslog but:

[ '/var/log/mail.log' ]-
Feb 14 02:19:19 samba3 courieresmtpd: started,ip=[:::192.168.0.91]
Feb 14 02:19:49 samba3 courieresmtpd: 
error,relay=:::192.168.0.91,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net: 417 DNS 
lookup failure: tamay-dogan.net.  Try again later.
Feb 14 02:20:15 samba3 courieresmtpd: started,ip=[:::192.168.0.91]
Feb 14 02:20:45 samba3 courieresmtpd: 
error,relay=:::192.168.0.91,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net: 417 DNS 
lookup failure: tamay-dogan.net.  Try again later.

Right it can not resolv the senders domain but I need a  solution   that
courier accept always mail from me...  Since I do not type my E-Mail  by
hand it is nearly impossibel, that the Domain can be wrong and has to be
checked 300 times per day.

Feb 14 02:35:31 samba3 courieresmtpd: started,ip=[:::192.168.0.91]
Feb 14 02:35:33 samba3 courierd: newmsg,id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC: dns; 
michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net 
[:::192.168.0.91])
Feb 14 02:35:33 samba3 courierd: 
started,id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net,module=esmtp,host=lists.sourceforge.net,addr=courier-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Feb 14 02:35:33 samba3 courierd: Waiting.  shutdown time=none, wakeup 
time=none, queuedelivering=1, inprogress=1
Feb 14 02:35:36 samba3 courieresmtp: 
id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net,addr=courier-users@lists.sourceforge.net:
 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as A91CB6509DD
Feb 14 02:35:36 samba3 courieresmtp: 
id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net,addr=courier-users@lists.sourceforge.net,size=3686,success:
 delivered: server4.pinguin-hosting.de [88.198.11.108]
Feb 14 02:35:36 samba3 courieresmtp: 
id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net,addr=courier-users@lists.sourceforge.net,size=3686,status:
 success
Feb 14 02:35:36 samba3 courierd: completed,id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC
Feb 14 02:35:36 samba3 courierd: Waiting.  shutdown time=Sat Feb 14 02:40:36 
2009, wakeup time=Sat Feb 14 02:40:36 2009, queuedelivering=0, inprogress=0

...and here it worked again.  (previous answer to Gordon)

The weird thing is, that my DNS on  192.168.0.74  is  the  Master  for
private.tamay-dogan.net and for the rest a caching DNS. This mean, the
domain tamay-dogan.net should be in the cache and  courier  accept  it
but it does not.

Where can this error be?

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Re: [courier-users] courier does not more accept mails if I am off-line

2009-02-13 Thread Sam Varshavchik

Michelle Konzack writes:


Hi Sam,

Am 2009-02-13 18:08:18, schrieb Sam Varshavchik:

Post what you see in syslog.


noting in syslog but:

[ '/var/log/mail.log' ]-
Feb 14 02:19:19 samba3 courieresmtpd: started,ip=[:::192.168.0.91]
Feb 14 02:19:49 samba3 courieresmtpd: 
error,relay=:::192.168.0.91,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net: 417 DNS 
lookup failure: tamay-dogan.net.  Try again later.
Feb 14 02:20:15 samba3 courieresmtpd: started,ip=[:::192.168.0.91]
Feb 14 02:20:45 samba3 courieresmtpd: 
error,relay=:::192.168.0.91,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net: 417 DNS 
lookup failure: tamay-dogan.net.  Try again later.

Right it can not resolv the senders domain but I need a  solution   that
courier accept always mail from me...  Since I do not type my E-Mail  by
hand it is nearly impossibel, that the Domain can be wrong and has to be
checked 300 times per day.

Feb 14 02:35:31 samba3 courieresmtpd: started,ip=[:::192.168.0.91]
Feb 14 02:35:33 samba3 courierd: newmsg,id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC: dns; 
michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net (michelle1.private.tamay-dogan.net 
[:::192.168.0.91])
Feb 14 02:35:33 samba3 courierd: 
started,id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net,module=esmtp,host=lists.sourceforge.net,addr=courier-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Feb 14 02:35:33 samba3 courierd: Waiting.  shutdown time=none, wakeup 
time=none, queuedelivering=1, inprogress=1
Feb 14 02:35:36 samba3 courieresmtp: 
id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net,addr=courier-users@lists.sourceforge.net:
 250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as A91CB6509DD
Feb 14 02:35:36 samba3 courieresmtp: 
id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net,addr=courier-users@lists.sourceforge.net,size=3686,success:
 delivered: server4.pinguin-hosting.de [88.198.11.108]
Feb 14 02:35:36 samba3 courieresmtp: 
id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC,from=linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net,addr=courier-users@lists.sourceforge.net,size=3686,status:
 success
Feb 14 02:35:36 samba3 courierd: completed,id=0002C914.49961FE4.20FC
Feb 14 02:35:36 samba3 courierd: Waiting.  shutdown time=Sat Feb 14 02:40:36 
2009, wakeup time=Sat Feb 14 02:40:36 2009, queuedelivering=0, inprogress=0

...and here it worked again.  (previous answer to Gordon)

The weird thing is, that my DNS on  192.168.0.74  is  the  Master  for
private.tamay-dogan.net and for the rest a caching DNS. This mean, the
domain tamay-dogan.net should be in the cache and  courier  accept  it
but it does not.

Where can this error be?


Well, it's not in the cache, then.

Your domain:

tamay-dogan.net.3600IN  MX  10 server4.pinguin-hosting.de.

Your domain, tamay-dogan.net's TTL is 3600 seconds, or one hour. Even if you 
have it cached, after you're offline for an hour this record will be purged 
from your cache, so your DNS server will look it up again, and fail because 
your connection is down.


Even if you adjust your domain's TTL to one day, it won't help. Courier 
performs full MX resolution:


server4.pinguin-hosting.de. 3600 IN A   88.198.11.108

Your ISP's DNS TTL is also only one hour, so you'll need to have them adjust 
the TTL for their own domain in order for your full MX resolution to work 
through.


You'll have to turn off DNS check on return addresses. If you're always 
sending your mail from this internal IP, use smtpaccess to set 
BOFHCHECKDNS=0 for your IP address.




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Re: [courier-users] courier does not more accept mails if I am off-line

2009-02-13 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Gordon,

Am 2009-02-13 13:02:11, schrieb Gordon Messmer:
 Do you find that error in your Courier system's logs?

Only that it can not resolv tamay-dogan.net

 How is mutt sending mail?  Does it connect to your Courier server, or to 
 a local ssmtp server?

ssmtp

 Courier will only accept a message if the sender's domain resolves.  If 
 you want to send email while you are offline, you need to make sure that 
 the local DNS server resolves the sender's address when you are offline. 

Mist! -- the  sender  is  linux4miche...@tamay-dogan.net   and   since
tamay-dogan.net is resolved by the DNS of my Hoster... it can not work

   That probably means that your local DNS server needs to be either the 
 master or a slave for the private.tamay-dogan.net zone.

It is already the Master...   But the error is tamay-dogan.net.

I think, I create a ZONE for tamay-dogan.net and then it should be  no
problem anymore.

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day/Evening
Michelle Konzack
Systemadministrator
24V Electronic Engineer
Tamay Dogan Network
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