So, do the participants of this list wish to actually get something done
with regard to securing privacy, or shall we just spin our wheels in
internecine warfare?
I, a long-time Cypherpunk Movement member known as "anonymous",
share this sentiment.
Cypherpunks deal with technology in the first
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Seth Finkelstein:
You appear to think I'm saying "Hey everyone, Declan's a
collaborator". No. Rather, I'm asking "Why doesn't Declan
get flamingly denounced as a collaborator?". Not because I
want to imply you should be. Rather, because I'm trying to
An Metet wrote:
And speaking of technology and education,
I wonder WHAT DOES IT TAKE to organise
free crypto classes in the Bay Area ? I
can donate time and some money. I know 2
others who are willing to do the same.
We need at least 3-4 more volunteers.
You might think about going
Your keyword(s), crypto, was recently spoken on FNC during Hannity Colmes.
Tuesday, Apr 3 2001 at 09:05 PM
..ditch the plane and pitch all the equipment crews are extremely well
trained in this regard taking all the crypto gear shredding it ripping it
apart ..
For details, visit
Your keyword(s), crypto, was recently spoken on FNC during Special Report.
Tuesday, Apr 3 2001 at 06:23 PM
..is how we gather the information and what technology we have they
would be able to destroy the crypto gear within the aircraft ..
For details, visit
Declan McCullagh wrote:
It's important for cypherpunks to understand why Seth Finkelstein has
(apparently) recently subscribed to the list.
As I predicted, quote: "And you're a Libertarian and I'm not, too!"
Sigh. If you'd bothered to *read* my messages before writing
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Declan's news articles contain nothing that is not better attested by the
defendant's own postings.
I believe this is factually incorrect. For example, per the Complaint:
"41. On November 11, 2000, an article about the search warrant
Tim May wrote:
I see a newcomer, Seth Finkelstein, harshly criticizing Declan and
others. Easy to ignore someone who wasn't even here the day before
yesterday.
Point of information: "nonconsentingly delurked" is more accurate
than "newcomer".
There's a few messages by me
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/business/A34112-2001Apr3.html
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Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason.
Miguel de Cervantes
The
There's the backhanded attack Seth was talking about earlier.
Declan: this was *pure* ad hominem.
J.A. Terranson
"The Censorhappy Sysadmin"
On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:29:35
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42803,00.html
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http://slashdot.org/yro/01/04/03/2258226.shtml
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Venimus, Vidimus, Delavimus - 1st Linux Motto, Anonymous
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http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/04/03/privacy.survey.idg/index.html?s=8
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Subject: CDR: Third Voice Trails Off
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42803,00.html
Hangs head in short silent prayer for the remains of Third Voice...
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At 11:18 PM 4/2/01 -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote:
And since John Young already
threw me into the flaming-pit, I thought I'd give the question a try
in public.
He warned you, yet you attacked; so he defended himself.
Next time, RTFM.
Sunlight is good.
Anonymous wrote:
"American Life Project" needs killing.
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worried about criminal activity on the Internet and willing to let law
enforcement agencies intercept suspects'
http://slashdot.org/features/01/03/27/1820213.shtml
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Short notice, but maybe time enough to send informed hecklers?
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Internet privacy issues, a contradictory bit of evidence has been tossed
into consideration -- Americans would be happy to let law enforcement
agencies intercept criminal e-mail ..."
* * *
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Greg Broiles wrote:
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At Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:51:24 -0500 (CDT), Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
There are two fundamental corner-stones to any society:
Toleration
Tolerance I think you mean.
Have I mentioned lately that you are an idiot?
No?
You're an idiot.
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Anonymous wrote:
You may invoke the 5th for *any* question that *may* tend to incriminate
you, in *any* way. Certainly these hypotheticals apply. What scares me
is the use of "involuntary immunizations" by persecuters to get around the
invocation...
I pose two
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, J.A. Terranson wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Anonymous wrote:
You may invoke the 5th for *any* question that *may* tend to incriminate
you, in *any* way. Certainly these hypotheticals apply. What scares me
is the use of "involuntary immunizations" by persecuters to get
At Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:52:46 -0500 (CDT), "J.A. Terranson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Anonymous wrote:
You may invoke the 5th for *any* question that *may* tend to incriminate
you, in *any* way. Certainly these hypotheticals apply. What scares
me is the use of
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18104.html
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Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason.
Miguel de Cervantes
The Armadillo Group
There are two fundamental corner-stones to a group bore:
Tendency to make pompous assertions
Missing sense of humor
Reminder: insert quote
I don't know, I thought that was pretty funny.
Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason.
Miguel de Cervantes
The Armadillo Group
At 10:29 PM 4/4/01 +0200, Anonymous wrote:
In light of recent "situations" involving cpunks and the courts, I've been
thinking about the 5th Amendment.
I pose two questions:
If called to testify in a criminal case, and asked the question "Are you
known by any other names" (or a derivative of
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:52:46 -0500 (CDT), "J.A. Terranson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Anonymous wrote:
You may invoke the 5th for *any* question that *may* tend to incriminate
you, in *any* way. Certainly these
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Whether you're rich or poor the state is
OBLIGED to provide you an attorney.
Provided that you are willing to execute complete financial disclosure
forms, and attest to their accuracy, *and* provided that this disclosure
backs your assertion that you
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:51:24 -0500 (CDT), Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
There are two fundamental corner-stones to any society:
Toleration
Tolerance I think you mean.
Have I mentioned lately that you are an idiot?
Showing *your*
Jim Bell wanted to call Ryan Lund, but the judge said no and denied
the subpoena. Bell accuses Lund of being (as a fellow prisoner)
a government informant and long-arm.
-Declan
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 06:34:53PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
Note the use of the word 'compulsory' with respect to
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At Wed, 4 Apr 2001 18:32:57 -0500 (CDT), Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Note that there's NO stipulation about 'if you can't afford an attorney
one will be appointed to you'. Whether you're rich or poor the state
is OBLIGED to provide
You should have screamed 5th Amendment.
It says you don't have to answer ANY question.
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, J.A. Terranson wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Whether you're rich or poor the state is
OBLIGED to provide you an attorney.
Provided that you are willing to
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Jim Bell wanted to call Ryan Lund, but the judge said no and denied
the subpoena. Bell accuses Lund of being (as a fellow prisoner)
a government informant and long-arm.
Which clearly demonstates my main point.
At 10:56 PM 4/4/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
Jim Bell wanted to call Ryan Lund, but the judge said no and denied
the subpoena. Bell accuses Lund of being (as a fellow prisoner)
a government informant and long-arm.
-Declan
Did the judge give any reason for the denial?
steve
I once had a friend that had the same myopic legal fixation as Choate. She
had this love/hate relationship with the law. On the once hand, she was a
libertarian and very skeptical of the government. On the other, she did
things like become a notary to gain some sort of government-anointed
You really don't get the pats on the head that you crave, do you, Jim?
At 7:24 AM 4/4/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
Well, at least thank you for honestly admitting my points and view are
valid and legitimate.
...
At 10:36 PM 4/4/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
Which proves my main point.
...
At
At 08:22 PM 4/4/01 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote:
In my article that I wrote yesterday evening, I said that the judge was
reasonable. He did not live up to that billing today.
Judge Tanner simply said no, and didn't give much reasoning. He thought
these were old accusations and had little
At 10:34 PM 4/4/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
snippage
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
to the people.
Now the state is REQUIRED to
That no where in the Constitution itself is there ANY obligation placed
upon the individual?
That except for the 9th, there is no such obligations in the original Bill
of Rights either? And the only thing the 9th says is the individual can
claim whatever they want, and burden of dis-proof
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Hrmmm... You think you could convince the USG?
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:30:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jim Choate [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: The Club Inferno [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CDR: Did you ever
At 9:02 PM -0500 4/4/01, J.A. Terranson wrote:
On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
Whether you're rich or poor the state is
OBLIGED to provide you an attorney.
Provided that you are willing to execute complete financial disclosure
forms, and attest to their accuracy, *and* provided that
At 11:33 PM 4/4/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, snit wrote:
and that defense attorney is worth exactly squat.
Doesn't need to be.
He's there to help advise process and make sure papers get fuiled in an
acceptable manner. He isn't there to defend you per se, that's your job
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