RE: watermarking sucks (Re: stego for the censored II)

2001-02-12 Thread Trei, Peter
I realize that this is *slightly* simplistic, but comparing 2 (preferably 3 or more) copies of the data with different watermark contents should quickly reveal where and what constitutes the watermarking. Of course, there are methods to make this more onerous - MACing the watermarked data

watermarking sucks (Re: stego for the censored II)

2001-02-11 Thread Adam Back
I think a watermark is more likely to be keyed. Without the key it's a bit harder to be sure to remove the watermark without affecting the quality of the image. With the key you can tell which parts of the message to remove. In addition watermarking has to mean a mark tied to the identity of

Re: stego for the censored II

2001-02-10 Thread Sampo Syreeni
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Steve Schear wrote: I know this has been mentioned before, but it seems to me that we should make use of all the great CRM watermarking technologies being developed. One of the primary goals of such technology is to hide the watermark in such a way that it cannot be isolated

Re: stego for the censored II

2001-02-10 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:37 PM 2/10/01 +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote: On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Steve Schear wrote: I know this has been mentioned before, but it seems to me that we should make use of all the great CRM watermarking technologies being developed. One of the primary goals of such technology is to hide the

Re: stego for the censored II

2001-02-09 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Wed, Feb 07, 2001 at 08:18:31PM -0400, Adam Back wrote: I wonder if they're using PGP stealth 2 that I contributed to based on Henry Hastur's 1. It's kind of interesting to see these things used in the field. However one suspects unless they had some hired security consultants it may

Re: stego for the censored II

2001-02-09 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Right. Prominent articles in USA Today and eslewhere, followed by front-page LA Times article, followed by the Fidel Castro cyberterror hearing on Wed. There's a pattern. Yah. A pretty blatant one. I'm wondering though why they're concentrating

Re: stego for the censored II

2001-02-09 Thread Alan Olsen
On Fri, 9 Feb 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: Also you've got to wonder if the whole thing is some spook public opnion manipulation attempt. And then Right. Prominent articles in USA Today and eslewhere, followed by front-page LA Times article, followed by the Fidel Castro cyberterror

Re: stego for the censored II

2001-02-09 Thread Steve Schear
At 09:05 AM 2/7/01 -0800, Tim May wrote: At 10:25 AM +0100 2/7/01, Tom wrote: damn, it seems someone already did what I proposed a while ago under the thread "stego for the censored". if anyone in here has contacts to these terrorists, can you ask them for the software, please? maybe they want to

Re: stego for the censored II

2001-02-07 Thread Tim May
At 10:25 AM +0100 2/7/01, Tom wrote: damn, it seems someone already did what I proposed a while ago under the thread "stego for the censored". if anyone in here has contacts to these terrorists, can you ask them for the software, please? maybe they want to GPL it so we can use it for other