At 04:01 PM 6/12/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote:
Or, I'll even go further. It was an example of private law,
where the law merchant publishes a list of people who break
the laws they sell and then lets the market punish or not as
they choose. However flawed the list, and however obnoxious
think ORBS was exactly the kind of reputation service most
folks here argue in favor of, and while some of us may have
despised it, that's not sufficient reason to interfere with
someone else's ability to publish whatever the hell they want
to publish.
Or, I'll even go further. It was an example
and necessary as the only reliable
means of providing this service.
I think ORBS was exactly the kind of reputation service most
folks here argue in favor of, and while some of us may have
despised it, that's not sufficient reason to interfere with
someone else's ability to publish whatever
Prime Sinister Jim Choate whines:
I *AM* my own ISP you dunderhead. I don't like some asshole with zero
investment or liability through my acts telling me how to configure my
mail server or how often to mow my front yard.
Declan the dunderhead fella wrote:
#If you're listed on their
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
ORBS/MAPS/etc. participate by connecting to and reviewing sites,
much like I go out to and watch movies to review.
Not always. If you refused to have your site reviewed, then they would
literally make one up.
Huh? If theyr'e checking
:37 AM 6/13/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
ORBS/MAPS/etc. participate by connecting to and reviewing sites,
much like I go out to and watch movies to review.
Not always. If you refused to have your site reviewed, then they would
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is another dark side to ORBS which seems to be missed here: Most
people's primary complaint about spammers is that they (the spammer) is
making use of network services at someone elses expense, without
permission of the spamee. ORBS
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Mac Norton wrote:
I think it's a typo. I think Declan meant
reputation punishing tool.
If he didn't, he should have. Good riddance
to bad rubbish--though, as I suppose would Declan
or even Choate, I'd defend the bastard's right to
be a bastard, so long as he's
ORBS *was* a reputation server - as with any real instance of such,
the reputations it publishes are the opinions of the publisher,
and the rest of the users of the higher-level reputation system
have to decide how much creedence to give those opinions.
In this case, a sufficiently large number
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
What ORBS and their ilk do is collect scans of IP's across the Internet,
some do it directly, some do it through independent 3rd parties, and
direct complaints.
Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the Internet, you can expect
people to form
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:10:34AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
ORBS/MAPS/etc. participate by connecting to and reviewing sites,
much like I go out to and watch movies to review.
Not always. If you refused to have your site reviewed
The analogy's not perfect, but analogies never are. If you don't
like what spam critics are doing, move to a different ISP.
-Declan
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:07:16AM -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
Yes, if you participate in an open forum like the
At 09:17 AM 06/12/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 07:10:34AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
ORBS/MAPS/etc. participate by connecting to and reviewing sites,
much like I go out to and watch movies to review
this ever
happened in the US?
The way I read this, the NZ court ordered a private publisher of an
enumeration of IP addresses to modify his publication despite the fact
that the IP addresses in question met the criteria for inclusion on
the list. (ORBS claimed to be a list of open relays
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/06/08/orbs/print.html
#
#A spam cop goes AWOL
#
#The ORBS blacklist, a controversial tool for stopping unsolicited
#e-mail, is suddenly inaccessible.
#
#- - - - - - - - - - - -
#
#By Damien Cave
#
#June 8, 2001
I see I was unclear.
I never said ORBS is an *accurate* reputation-publishing tool. I have
never said it was entirely focused on spammers. I have never said I
uncritically accept it or use it on the machines for which I am responsible.*
But it is, nevertheless, beyond question that ORBS and its
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