Re: The Streisand imagecriminal lives 2-3 parcels away from me

2003-06-04 Thread Sunder
That's all nice and good, but why should it be on cypherpunks? Where's the relevance to this list? Why is Ken, or his addres or helipad an interest to the cypherpunks? Why is PGE's monopolistic's actions against him relevant to the topics of this list? What's next? The Cypherpunk Equirer?

Re: The Streisand imagecriminal lives 2-3 parcels away from me

2003-06-04 Thread Adam Shostack
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 11:00:07AM -0400, Sunder wrote: | That's all nice and good, but why should it be on cypherpunks? Where's | the relevance to this list? Why is Ken, or his addres or helipad an | interest to the cypherpunks? Why is PGE's monopolistic's actions against | him relevant to the

Re: The Streisand imagecriminal lives 2-3 parcels away from me

2003-06-04 Thread Bill Stewart
At 11:00 AM 06/03/2003 -0400, Sunder wrote: That's all nice and good, but why should it be on cypherpunks? Where's the relevance to this list? Why is Ken, or his addres or helipad an interest to the cypherpunks? Why is PGE's monopolistic's actions against him relevant to the topics of this

[eb@comsec.com: Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down]

2003-06-04 Thread Eric Murray
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Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

2003-06-04 Thread John Young
The White House Communications Agency is also working hard to secure presidential communications, with legacy systems needing ever-increasing maintenance and upgrades, the market continuing to outpace the big-ticket legacy clunker equipment, too expensive to chuck outright, yet having flaws

[PaulLambert@AirgoNetworks.Com: Re: BIS Disk Full]

2003-06-04 Thread Eric Murray
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Re: The Streisand imagecriminal lives 2-3 parcels away from me

2003-06-04 Thread Tim May
On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Bill Stewart wrote: At 11:00 AM 06/03/2003 -0400, Sunder wrote: That's all nice and good, but why should it be on cypherpunks? Where's the relevance to this list? Why is Ken, or his addres or helipad an interest to the cypherpunks? Why is PGE's

[eay@pobox.com: Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down]

2003-06-04 Thread Eric Murray
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Re: SIGINT planes vs. radioisotope mapping

2003-06-04 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 05:28 PM 6/3/03 -0700, Tim May wrote: Possibly for construction of baseline maps of existing radioisotopes in university labs, hospitals, and private facilities. Then deviations from baseline maps could be identified and inspected in more detail with ground-based vans and black bag ops. Good

Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

2003-06-04 Thread Peter Gutmann
Ian Grigg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's also very much oriented to x.509 and similar certificate/PKI models, which means it is difficult to use in web of trust (I know this because we started on the path of adding web of trust and text signing features to x.509 before going back to OpenPGP),

Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

2003-06-04 Thread Eric Rescorla
Ian Grigg [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Eric Rescorla wrote: True, although, that begs the question as to how they learn. Only by doing, I'd say. I think one learns a lot more from making mistakes and building ones own attempt than following the words of wise. One learns by *practicing*. That

RE: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

2003-06-04 Thread Tim Dierks
At 09:11 AM 6/3/2003, Peter Gutmann wrote: Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given that SSL use is orders of magnitude higher than that of SSH, with no change in sight, primarily due to SSL's ease-of-use, I am a bit puzzled by your assertion that ssh, not SSL, is the only really successful net

Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

2003-06-04 Thread Dave Howe
At 10:09 AM 6/2/03 -0400, Ian Grigg wrote: (One doesn't hear much about crypto phones these days. Was this really a need?) As a minor aside - most laptops can manage pgpfone using only onboard hardware these days, either using an integrated modem or (via infrared) a mobile phone.

Re: Maybe It's Snake Oil All the Way Down

2003-06-04 Thread Ian Grigg
Tim Dierks wrote: At 09:11 AM 6/3/2003, Peter Gutmann wrote: Lucky Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Given that SSL use is orders of magnitude higher than that of SSH, with no change in sight, primarily due to SSL's ease-of-use, I am a bit puzzled by your assertion that ssh, not SSL, is