Re: The Streisand imagecriminal lives 2-3 parcels away from me
On Tuesday, June 3, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Bill Stewart wrote: At 11:00 AM 06/03/2003 -0400, Sunder wrote: That's all nice and good, but why should it be on cypherpunks? Where's the relevance to this list? Why is Ken, or his addres or helipad an interest to the cypherpunks? Why is PG&E's monopolistic's actions against him relevant to the topics of this list? What's next? The Cypherpunk Equirer? Well sure - because not all the Black Helicopters flying over Tim's house have belonged to Feds/UN/etc. - one of them's probably been Ken's :-) I've also found Tim's comments on Pynchon living nearby interesting. IMHO, neither he, nor the Streisand creature have any relevance here - there perhaps was some relevance in terms of that lawsuit the bitch started, but, who gives a shit who your neighbors are? I'd say issues of putting aerial photography on the internet and how that changes the status of previously "secret" information are pretty close to our core issues - they're not directly cryptography, but neither are the "guns, lots of guns" discussions. And neither are the 15th or 23rd essentially duplicative discussions of PGP or Mondex or SSL or crypto exports very interesting or useful. I have no idea who pissed in Sunder's Wheaties, but he is of course free to skip any articles and concentrate on the ones that interest him. Volume on the list is now a fraction of what it once was...and yet still much repetitiousness dominates. Sunder could consider subscribing to a "Best of" list...wait, doesn't he _run_ one? Problem solved. I was not the one who brought up the Streisand sut...that was a posting by Major Variola on Friday. I thought it was pretty interesting that the aerial photographer is a neighbor of mine. This is, after all, not the same as listing neighbors who have not been mentioned...this is more akin to there being some talked-about crime case here and having John Young or Declan say "That guy is my neighbor across the way." Interesting to know where people live, with even less techno/privacy relevance (such as hearing that Gary Condit lived near where Declan lives). Added to the fact that I see his helicopters circling low over my property (which explains some of the close encounters of the chopper kind in recent years), and the privacy/Brinworld implications (mentioned by M. Variola), and the sheer coincidence that I had just returned from my first flying lesson, I felt the need to post. Also, about 50-60 people were at the meeting/party at my house last September, so they have some (perhaps slight) awareness of which hills and nearby areas I'm mentioning. Sunder should put me in his killfile for a while...I am doing that for his posts, for a while. By the way, the Adelman situation also has a few other interesting tidbits. The company Adelman and his partner formed was called "TGV." Located in Santa Cruz, the names suggested _speed_, as in the French train of the same name. Lore has it that the real origin was "Two Guys and a Vax. Adelman also founded Network Alchemy. TGV was sold at the peak of the Internet boom to Cisco and Network Alchemy was sold to Nokia. Adelman cleared at least a few hundred million dollars. --Tim May "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -- Nietzsche
Re: The Streisand imagecriminal lives 2-3 parcels away from me
At 11:00 AM 06/03/2003 -0400, Sunder wrote: That's all nice and good, but why should it be on cypherpunks? Where's the relevance to this list? Why is Ken, or his addres or helipad an interest to the cypherpunks? Why is PG&E's monopolistic's actions against him relevant to the topics of this list? What's next? The Cypherpunk Equirer? Well sure - because not all the Black Helicopters flying over Tim's house have belonged to Feds/UN/etc. - one of them's probably been Ken's :-) I've also found Tim's comments on Pynchon living nearby interesting. IMHO, neither he, nor the Streisand creature have any relevance here - there perhaps was some relevance in terms of that lawsuit the bitch started, but, who gives a shit who your neighbors are? I'd say issues of putting aerial photography on the internet and how that changes the status of previously "secret" information are pretty close to our core issues - they're not directly cryptography, but neither are the "guns, lots of guns" discussions. I don't know if Hugh ever pulled off the "export RSA by standing in a bar-code when the Russian 1-meter-resolution spy satellites fly over"...
Re: The Streisand imagecriminal lives 2-3 parcels away from me
On Tue, Jun 03, 2003 at 11:00:07AM -0400, Sunder wrote: | That's all nice and good, but why should it be on cypherpunks? Where's | the relevance to this list? Why is Ken, or his addres or helipad an | interest to the cypherpunks? Why is PG&E's monopolistic's actions against | him relevant to the topics of this list? | | What's next? The Cypherpunk Equirer? We can hope they return. http://www.haven.boston.ma.us/~benji/wheels.html http://cypherpunks.venona.com/date/1997/03/msg00102.html -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume
Re: The Streisand imagecriminal lives 2-3 parcels away from me
That's all nice and good, but why should it be on cypherpunks? Where's the relevance to this list? Why is Ken, or his addres or helipad an interest to the cypherpunks? Why is PG&E's monopolistic's actions against him relevant to the topics of this list? What's next? The Cypherpunk Equirer? IMHO, neither he, nor the Streisand creature have any relevance here - there perhaps was some relevance in terms of that lawsuit the bitch started, but, who gives a shit who your neighbors are? Should I start spamming this list with details about my neighbors? --Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ <--*-->:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD.\|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Tim May wrote: > Ken Adelman, the retired gazillionaire who has gained new fame as a > photographer of the California coastline, lives a couple of parcels > from me, perhaps half a kilometer.
Re: The Streisand imagecriminal lives 2-3 parcels away from me
On Sun, Jun 01, 2003 at 07:13:28PM -0700, Tim May wrote: > > His address in the phone book is unlisted, but he gave his home address > in one or more of his ventures, and so up it popped in a Google search > on his name: 1365 Meadowridge Rd., the road just before mine (Allan > Lane) off of Brown's Valley Road. My address is 427 Allan Lane. > Entering these into Yahoo or Mapquest shows how close our properties > are. Isn't your local assessor's database online? Here in WI, at least for most of it, I can just look up someones name and find *all* the property they own. Or conversely, look up an address and find out who owns it, also what they paid for it, tax assessment, etc. Some properties, of course, are owned by corporations or LLC or partnerships so you have to also go to the state databases to find out who the people are behind the LLC or whatever. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com
