Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-17 Thread Cyrille Berger
On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Andy Fitzsimon wrote: Totally agree. We need to help as much as we can to improve their format out in the open. A good motivation is to get as much public prior art into their spec as possible to ensure this thing is free for all to use. I haven't read anything

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Andy Fitzsimon andyf...@gmail.com wrote: Reckon there's a frantion of a chance they make this an open unrestricted standard? At some point in the future, if the format has become important enough to the industry, most certainly. Our philosophy at Adobe, with

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Wednesday 13 May 2009, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: Our philosophy at Adobe, with respect to file formats and standardization, is that we will publish the details of file format specifications so that others can read write our formats. All of our major formats, and most of our minor ones, are

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Andy Fitzsimon
wow, I'm never typing on my phone again. sorry about that. And thanks for the clarification Leonard. So, its a good guess that free software wont have influence in the making of this format (for the benefit of its own features) But the good news is its likely that if documented enough, we'll

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: others can read write our formats.  All of our major formats, and most of our minor ones, are documented in this fashion - SWF, IDML, Mars/PDFXML, XMP, PSD, etc. Excuse me, are you saying that specification for the current PSD version

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On 05/13/2009 05:00 AM, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: Our philosophy at Adobe, with respect to file formats and standardization, is that we will publish the details of file format specifications so that others can read write our formats. All of our major formats, and most of our minor ones, are

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: others can read write our formats.  All of our major formats, and most of our minor ones, are documented in this fashion - SWF, IDML, Mars/PDFXML, XMP, PSD, etc. Excuse

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On 05/13/2009 11:34 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: And while I'm at that, is it legal to use parts of DNG SDK in GPL/LGPL software? Not according to the license. I think I have already requested that, but got no answer beside a what for? in the Adobe forums. The license used by the XMP_SDK

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Hubert Figuiere h...@figuiere.net wrote: On 05/13/2009 05:00 AM, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: Our philosophy at Adobe, with respect to file formats and standardization, is that we will publish the details of file format specifications so that others can read

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: others can read write our formats. All of our major formats, and most of our minor ones, are documented in this fashion - SWF, IDML,

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On 05/13/2009 12:39 PM, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: The problem with PSD, at this time, is that it is distributed as part of the Photoshop SDK. The SDK includes OTHER material that requires NDA, so folks who just want the PSD format docs end up in an unfortunate situation. I continue to work on

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: The problem with PSD, at this time, is that it is distributed as part of the Photoshop SDK.  The SDK includes OTHER material that requires NDA, so folks who just want the PSD format docs end up in an unfortunate situation.  I continue

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On 05/13/2009 12:41 PM, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: If you, they, or anyone else have specific comments, questions, concerns about our published specifications for SWF, PLEASE submit them through the OpenScreen project! The current docs are our first attempt at trying to document all that is

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Alexandre Prokoudine
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: GIMP developers (just like John) have also stated before that they do not want PSD So much for freudian slips :) Of course I was meaning to say meant XCF. Sorry about that :) Alexandre ___

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Leonard Rosenthol
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Hubert Figuiere h...@figuiere.net wrote: Reading archived file is not interchange. Nor is having the file format documentation a solution for long term archiving. As Project Leader for ISO 19005 (PDF/A), I've spent a LOT of time with archivists, librarians

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Hubert Figuiere
[Putting back the list in CC as you mistakenly left it out. ] On 05/13/2009 01:56 PM, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: That is correct. Just as we did with PDF, we are focused on documenting the file format (aka SWF) and not the behavior of conforming readers (to use the ISO PDF terminology). The

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-13 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On 05/13/2009 02:01 PM, Leonard Rosenthol wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Hubert Figuiereh...@figuiere.net wrote: Reading archived file is not interchange. Nor is having the file format documentation a solution for long term archiving. The problem is that as soon as you offer the

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-12 Thread Andy Fitzsimon
Reckon there's a frantion of a chance they make this an open unrestricted standard? On 09/05/2009, at 1:19 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/05/thoughts_on_fxg.html Alexandre ___

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-12 Thread Andy Fitzsimon
Totally agree. We need to help as much as we can to improve their format out in the open. A good motivation is to get as much public prior art into their spec as possible to ensure this thing is free for all to use. I haven't read anything yet but does someone know if the path and style

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-12 Thread Andy Fitzsimon
To be fair, Adobe aquired both those properties from former developers. So rhe binar blobs of doom were iherited. Now they have a chance to do things right On 13/05/2009, at 11:48 AM, Hubert Figuiere h...@figuiere.net wrote: On 05/12/2009 11:40 PM, Andy Fitzsimon wrote: Reckon there's a

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-12 Thread Hubert Figuiere
On 05/12/2009 11:40 PM, Andy Fitzsimon wrote: Reckon there's a frantion of a chance they make this an open unrestricted standard? Like Flash? Or like PSD? Hub ___ CREATE mailing list CREATE@lists.freedesktop.org

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-10 Thread Boudewijn Rempt
On Saturday 09 May 2009, Jon Phillips wrote: Its going to be very hard to compete with FXG because of Adobe's standing, so we need to ascertain if we are going to go it alone, try to get FXG spec repaired, or if we even have the energy to complete OpenRaster to make it better than FXG,

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-10 Thread Jon Phillips
Please do look at...we need your expertise to respomd inkind... Jon Phillips +1.415.830.3884 (global) +86.132.6817.8381 (beijing) j...@rejon.org On May 10, 2009 8:51 AM, Boudewijn Rempt b...@valdyas.org wrote: On Saturday 09 May 2009, Jon Phillips wrote: Its going to be very hard to compete

Re: [CREATE] OpenRaster vs. FXG? :)

2009-05-09 Thread Jon Phillips
Crap! I pitched openraster to some at adobe awhile ago, but seems go it alone happens again...arg...even though in the blog post, says they are developing the standard, so possibilities to talk with them directly about problems with the spec, should be taken, first from behind the scenese, before