Dear Francesco, dear George,
After the discussion in the last CRM SIG meeting, I propose to follow
Francesco's "sdh:C11 Appellation in a Language
<https://ontome.net/class/365/namespace/3> class." as *a longpath for P1*.
I propose to generalize the context. It could be a language, it could be
a country, a Group. I propose to analyze, if this can be mapped or
identified with LRM Nomen and its properties. It can further be made
compatible with the RDF labels with a language tag, which are domain
instance specific and not range specific, and of course can represent
the TGN language attributes. For VIAF, we would need a "national"
context, i.e., the national library.
Best,
Martin
On Sat, 12 Nov 2022, 2:43 pm Francesco Beretta via Crm-sig,
<crm-sig@ics.forth.gr> wrote:
Dear Martin, all
Sorry to intervene so late in this interesting exchange, I was
away for some days and I'm going through my emails now.
I encountered the same questions while working a few years ago in
a history project interested in the evolution of the use of names
and surnames.
The approach of the project was similar to the one presented by
Martin below and amounted to saying that it is difficult to state
to which language a first name, or surname, belongs in itself,
except for some cases or if we consider the region of origin, but
what is relevant is that this specific string of characters is
used at a given time (and attested in the sources) in a language
or in another (i.e. in a society speaking this language) to
identify a person or an object.
To capture the information envisaged in the project in the sense
of this approach I decided to stick to the substance of crm:E41
Appellation class:
"This class comprises signs, either meaningful or not, or
arrangements of signs following a specific syntax, that are used
or can be used to refer to and identify a specific instance of
some class or category within a certain context. Instances of E41
Appellation do not identify things by their meaning, even if they
happen to have one, but _instead by convention, tradition, or
agreement_." (CRM 6.2).
and to add in what has become the SDHSS CRM unofficial extension
the sdh:C11 Appellation in a Language
<https://ontome.net/class/365/namespace/3> class.
This class has as you'll see a clear social, i.e. intentional
flavor, and captures the information that some appellation is
considered as a valid appellation of a thing in a language (i.e.
society speaking his language) during an attested time-span.
This was also an attempt to cope with the frbroo:F52 Name Use
Activity issue:
413 Pursuit and Name Use Activity to CRMsoc
<https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-413-pursuit-and-name-use-activity-to-crmsoc>
573 CRMsoc & F51 Pursuit & F52 Name Use Activity
<https://cidoc-crm.org/Issue/ID-573-crmsoc-f51-pursuit-f52-name-use-activity>
which is somewhat slowed down by the ongoing exchanges around the
nature and substance of the social world as foundation of the
CRMsoc extension.
But one could easily provide another substance to an /Appellation
in a Language/ class making it a Name Use Activity (in a Language)
class (and subclass of crm:E13 Attribute Assignment
<https://ontome.net/class/13/namespace/1> or crm:E7 Activity).
This would be in my opinion a good way of coping with the wish
expressed by George at the beginning of this exchange to "make
[this kind of classes] full classes in the standard so that they
are fully vetted and controlled. It is a fundamental class. It
should be in the standard in the first place", wish that I
definitely share. And also to stick, as far as I can understand,
to the modelling principles reminded by Martin.
And it would also finally solve the issues still open, to my
knowledge, concerning the original FRBR-oo class.
Best
Francesco
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