Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-14 Thread Martin Doerr
Dear Richard, I'll shorten now: On 9/14/2018 7:54 PM, Richard Light wrote: My suggestion is that we define the "has symbolic content" property, and then put our energy into agreeing one or more subproperties of rdf:value which meet the known recording requirements for cultural heritage inf

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-14 Thread Richard Light
On 13/09/2018 20:57, Martin Doerr wrote: > Dear Richard, >> >>> What we need, to my opinion, is a property of Symbolic Object we may >>> call it "has symbolic content" or "has symbolic content inline" or >>> anything better, which defines that the symbolic content *is >>> identical to* the Literal

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-13 Thread Martin Doerr
Dear Richard, On 12/09/2018 14:55, Martin Doerr wrote: Dear Richard, I basically agree with your comments. Specifically however, I indeed wanted to say that the official definition of rdfs:label makes it exactly a subproperty of P1 (or shortcut of it) in any correct use of RDFS. If we want

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-13 Thread Richard Light
On 12/09/2018 14:55, Martin Doerr wrote: > Dear Richard, > > I basically agree with your comments. Specifically however, I indeed > wanted to say that the official definition of rdfs:label makes it > exactly a subproperty of P1 (or shortcut of it) in any correct use of > RDFS. If we want to mix RD

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-12 Thread Martin Doerr
Dear Richard, I basically agree with your comments. Specifically however, I indeed wanted to say that the official definition of rdfs:label makes it exactly a subproperty of P1 (or shortcut of it) in any correct use of RDFS. If we want to mix RDFS models, we should have an opinion about their

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-12 Thread Richard Light
On 11/09/2018 20:02, Martin Doerr wrote: > Dear All, > > Firstly, apologies, the RDF was wrong, it was intended to be P1 is > superproperty of rdfs:label. I'm not sure that this is something we need to state at all, and I worry that - if it is included in our RDFS Schema - it may bring unwanted si

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-11 Thread Martin Doerr
Dear All, Firstly, apologies, the RDF was wrong, it was intended to be P1 is superproperty of rdfs:label. Semantically, the range of rdfs:label, when used, is ontologically an Appellation in the sense of the CRM. I agree with George, that all RDF nodes should have a human readable label. T

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-11 Thread Richard Light
Hi, Apologies for being so quiet on this front. I'm puzzled by Martin's final declaration test: it says the intention is to see if P1 can be a /superproperty /of rdfs:label, yet the declaration (and consequent SPARQL query) asserts/tests that it is a /subproperty /of rdfs:label: > The next quest

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-11 Thread Nicola Carboni
ied_by: [ >> >> “uri-as-identifier” >> >> ] >> >> } >> >> >> >> Because P1 can only ever have a resource as its object. >> >> >> >> Or (if you don’t care for the singleton array), the simplest possible fo

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-10 Thread George Bruseker
> “P1_is_identified_by”: “uri-as-identifier” > > } > > > > Rob > > > > From: Crm-sig <mailto:crm-sig-boun...@ics.forth.gr>> on behalf of Detlev Balzer > mailto:d...@balilabs.de>> > Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 12:11 PM >

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-10 Thread Mark Fichtner
{ > > “P1_is_identified_by”: “uri-as-identifier” > > } > > > > Rob > > > > *From: *Crm-sig on behalf of Detlev Balzer > > *Date: *Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 12:11 PM > *To: *"crm-sig@ics.forth.gr" > *Subject: *Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-04 Thread Robert Sanderson
behalf of Detlev Balzer Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2018 at 12:11 PM To: "crm-sig@ics.forth.gr" Subject: Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label Am 04.09.2018 um 19:19 schrieb Robert Sanderson: In particular, it makes it difficult in several seriali

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-04 Thread Detlev Balzer
ions to distinguish > between the string “http://example.museum.org/data/1” and the resource that > has the URI http://example.museum.org/data/1 as its identifier. > > > > Rob > > > > > > *From: *Crm-sig on behalf of Martin Doerr > > *Date:

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-04 Thread Robert Sanderson
://example.museum.org/data/1” and the resource that has the URI http://example.museum.org/data/1 as its identifier. Rob From: Crm-sig on behalf of Martin Doerr Date: Saturday, September 1, 2018 at 7:41 AM To: crm-sig Subject: [Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label Dear

[Crm-sig] Issue: Solution for Dualism of E41 Appellation and rdfs:label

2018-09-01 Thread Martin Doerr
Dear All, Obviously, there are two ways in RDF to express what the CRM regards as an Appellation: Either using a URI, instance of E41, and then another property specifying in whatever way the symbolic content (I am not concerned with this here), *OR *using rdfs:label, which has exactly the me