Re: [Crm-sig] End of Existence for Rights?

2017-08-15 Thread Robert Sanderson
Dear Stephen, George, all, To make sure that we’re on the same page, if Rights are to be treated as concepts rather than the legal application of the concept, then I can conceive of the Right that I personally own Van Gogh’s “Irises”. Not even that I am claiming to own the painting, just

Re: [Crm-sig] End of Existence for Rights?

2017-08-15 Thread Stephen Stead
Hiya George First Using our basic principles:- a] if we don't understand/know something model it as loosely as possible (or not at all!) b] model based on actual data structures and schema I suspect that there are many different types of Right that exist regardless of recognition and others that

Re: [Crm-sig] End of Existence for Rights?

2017-08-15 Thread George Bruseker
Hir Steve! I can see the logic of that solution. First, that seems like an elegant solution which does not require adding properties. Some quandaries though, for discussion. When we speak of the right of ‘ownership’ for example over x, do we speak of the one unique right of ownership that can

Re: [Crm-sig] End of Existence for Rights?

2017-08-15 Thread Stephen Stead
Dear Rob, George and all, George is absolutely correct that the right is the conceptual object of the right itself regardless of whether it is current or not. I do not agree that we need some new link from the right to time. The simple construct is to use an E7 Activity that uses a specific

Re: [Crm-sig] End of Existence for Rights?

2017-08-15 Thread George Bruseker
Dear Rob et al., I would say that the modelling of conceptual object and its begin/end relation is correct also in this instance. It is not the existence of the right qua concept that terminates when the right over something expires. I would argue that the right can exist before it comes into

Re: [Crm-sig] Venue next meeting Oct. 9-12, 2017, DECISION REQUESTED

2017-08-15 Thread Krause, Siegfried
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[Crm-sig] End of Existence for Rights?

2017-08-15 Thread Robert Sanderson
Dear all, We are looking to express a Right that applies to an Object, such as Ownership. As the Right only applies for a limited duration, we had though to create the Right as part of the Acquisition of the Object and then to have it be taken out of existence by the subsequent Acquisition.