[Crm-sig] Ap11_scope.docx

Update😁 Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)

Re: [Crm-sig] CRM translation working group

I will take part as well😁 Martin On 3/9/2021 8:53 AM, Дарья Юрьевна Гук via Crm-sig wrote: Count me in as well for Russian version. With kind regards, Daria Hookk Senior Researcher of the dept. of archaeology of Eastern Europe and Siberia of the State Hermitage Museum, PhD, ICOMOS member

[Crm-sig] Issue 480 completed

Dear All, Attached my complete reformulation of AP14 into AP13.2, following today's discussion in the SIG Meeting Best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 447, Embedding as Rigid Physical Feature

Dear All, To consider embeddings: https://images.boredomfiles.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/8-german-mass-grave.jpg Best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory

Re: [Crm-sig] 511 e-vote

Dear Franco, Now I am fairly confused about with what you actually agree: You write: "This concept was, indeed, an Attribute Assignment - quite obviously as it is its superclass so every measurement is an attribute assignment. But what should be pursued, in my opinion, is the right balance

Re: [Crm-sig] 511 e-vote

Dear Francesco, Your concerns well respected, please let me explain a few things: Firstly, this e-vote is not about the reduction of the range of P39 from E1 CRM Entity to E18 Physical Thing. The reduction was decided in the last CRM-SIG with good majority after considering all pros and

Re: [Crm-sig] 511 e-vote

Dear Fancesco, Thank you very much for reconsidering and withdrawing your veto. By mistake, I send my message before finishing it. Please let me be more analytical about the arguments. Your arguments in the SIG meeting have been well understood and well respected, and been evaluated against

Re: [Crm-sig] 511 e-vote

relation to the substance of this class is not an issue, especially with respect to monotonicity, I personnally have nothing to add. With all my best wishes Francesco Le 23.03.21 à 19:18, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig a écrit : Dear Francesco, Your concerns well respected, please let me explain

Re: [Crm-sig] 511 e-vote, broader vision

Dear Francesco, Thank you for these important considerations. I do support your broader vision. I see several specific challenges that should better be respected on a common path to this vision, which I'd like to explicate and write up the next days, so that we can discuss and effectively

Re: [Crm-sig] CRMarcheo -embedding

Dear Christian-Emil, Achille, When talking about embeddings, I am not so much thinking of an isolated item, but things like the Talheim Death Pit with thousands of bones, where each exact position is vital for the assignment to complete corpses. I am also thinking of a thing embedded by

Re: [Crm-sig] CRMarcheo -embedding

int of view of the model, but conceptually disputable in my opinion. I can't think of a solution that accommodates everything. Best, A. Il giorno 26 mar 2021, alle ore 19:35, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig mailto:[email protected]>> ha scritto: Dear Christian-Emil, Achille, W

[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: About CRM-SIG Decision processes

Dear All, With this opportunity, and in response to George's message below, I'd like to repeat the decision taking rules CRM-SIG follows since early days. The early documents regulating our decisions may have been lost in the transition to the new Website. Therefore I raise a new issue to

Re: [Crm-sig] Relationship CRMDig & PREMIS OWL

Dear All, Sure, CRMdig needs a review. It has done a good job for 3D object scanning and model creation in 2012 with lots of data. Provenance in general is, of course, a wider issue. We need to create complete mappings between PREMIS, PROVo and CRM extensions. Best, Martin On 4/27/2021

[Crm-sig] About datatypes and graphs

Dear All, This is an interesting discussion: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2021May/0052.html Whereas I agree, for our purposes, with the use of datatypes for geometries, time etc., as we recommend, I regard the discussion about Named Graphs as more complex. Curiously,

[Crm-sig] Issue 498, disjoint places

Dear All, Here my proposal for revision of the scope note of E53 Place: *OLD:* E53 Place Subclass of: E1 <#_toc7281> CRM Entity Scope note: This class comprises extents in space, in particular on the surface of the earth, in the pure sense of physics: independent from temporal phenomena

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 498, disjoint places

😁 Rgds SdS Stephen Stead Tel +44 20 8668 3075 Mob +44 7802 755 013 E-mail [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> LinkedIn Profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/steads/ <https://www.linkedin.com/in/steads/> *From:*Crm-sig *On Behalf Of *Martin Doerr via Crm-sig

[Crm-sig] Homework Issue_531.docx

Dear All, Attached my attempt to redefine Observable Entity so that we can measure distances between things! If you do not open the attached, here the summary: I reconsider Observation, Observable Entity and Situation in the light of the question, how to define Position Measurement. This

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 498, disjoint places

Dear Dariah, These are good examples. We normally consider colonies, such as French Guayana, and countries on multiple islands. Best, Martin On 6/7/2021 8:39 AM, Дарья Юрьевна Гук wrote: Dear colleagues, I have only an example with a "capital". This point can change location and even the

[Crm-sig] Issue 537 Homework

Dear Robert, All, The current problem of S4 Observation is the single-property formulation, dictated by E13 Attribute Assignment, but compatible with INSPIRE and E16 Measurement. On the other side, it will never allow for observing distances. Therefore, in order to proceed the generalization

[Crm-sig] Issue 504 Homework

Dear All, Here my introduction for issue 504, /Philosophical Underpinnings of the CRM ,/for the next meeting: "The new official edition of the CIDOC CRM, version 7.1.1, contains a compact section with title "Reality, Knowledge Bases and CIDOC CRM". This section outlines philosophical

[Crm-sig] Homework, Issue 535, 476

Dear All, This homework aims at finalizing issue 535 and 476 with examples for the new property "represents instance of type". Please check. All the best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics

[Crm-sig] Issue 524

Dear All, Here my trial at the FOL for O19, O21. I suggest the encountered object may be larger than the part encountered. O21 encountered at (witnessed encounter) Domain: S19 Encounter Event Range: E53 Place Quantification:   many to many, necessary (1,n:0,n) Scope note: This

[Crm-sig] Issue 518

Dear All, This is an example for E7 Activity: The settlement activity of the population of Lerna IV and Lerna V (E7) ["While Caskey notes a major cultural break between the EH II and EH III remains at Lerna, he argues for a high level of continuity in the following periods, until the site was

Re: [Crm-sig] HW for Issue 354

Dear George, all, I think the procedure is a bit more varied. In the past, we had published by e-mail several details, which can be summarized as follows, in addition to this well-written text: Anybody can raise an issue in the SIG or via e-mail. * It is either an *open question* or a

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 274: archetypical sounds

Dear Thanasi, This is also my understanding. Basically, we would need properties substantially different from other information objects, and different from audiovisual recordings for a new class, that would express relations not covered by others in the CRM, and essential in these

[Crm-sig] Issue 494 Guidelines for scope note writing

Dear All, This issue has long been discussed internally. Scope note writing is important for all working on extensions of the CRM, locally or those submitted for approval by CRM-SIG. The meaning to be expressed by scope notes is a distinct center piece of the specific methodology CIDOC CRM

[Crm-sig] Issue 527 Modelling Provenance of Intangible Heritage

Dear All Here a few thoughts about issue 527, Modelling Provenance of Intangible Heritage. We may define "intangible heritage" as living human memories: A)    Memories and oral traditions about events, things, people These can be treated as *propositional objects*. The question of where

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 527 Modelling Provenance of Intangible Heritage

On 6/16/2021 11:56 AM, Дарья Юрьевна Гук wrote: Any system should have common basis. Intangible heritage has one source - human activity, and appears as a result of it (reflections: myths, legends, oral heritage...) or in process (dances and songs, food). If you have doubts, look the

[Crm-sig] New Issue: Dimension Examples

Dear All I have expanded the example from E36 to E54 Dimension and its properties. We can get rid of fictitious examples there. See attached. Best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics

[Crm-sig] Issue 479 Homework

Dear All I propose to formulate 479 as: Publishing the table of top properties of all extensions from issue 469, define a format/style for declaring non-covered top properties in the textual extension definitions, and and allow extensions to refer to high level top properties from CRMbase

[Crm-sig] New Issue CRMtex: Differentiate TX6 Transcription

Dear All, I propose to either split TX6 transcription into single grapheme/ multi-grapheme, or provide adequate properties to make the distinction. In particular, the single grapheme transcription should connect to CRMinf arguments. Best, Martin --

[Crm-sig] New Issue CRMtex: differentiate TX8 Grapheme definition

Dear All, I think we need to distinguish the set of all possible atomic graphemes of a writing system, from the atomic grapheme, a grapheme sequence (or arrangement) of an actual text, and the grapheme set appearing in an actual text. -- Dr. Martin

[Crm-sig] New Isssue CRMtex: Fragment Ordering

Dear All, I propose a new class TXxxx Fragment Order Reconstruction: "This class comprises activities of arranging physical text fragments in a way that attempts to reconstruct their original position in a text fragmented and often only partially preserved. It includes evident from shape,

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 425: Example for I11 Situation, NEW Issue: Situation Time-Span.

Dear Thanasi, I think we decided not to fill the class examples with e-numbers of things within the noun phrase. Otherwise I agree. I believe we need a property "Jxxx held at least for: E52 Time-Span" "This property associates an instance of I11 Situation with the instance of E52 Time-span

Re: [Crm-sig] E-vote for issue 384 (template for family models)

YES On 6/18/2021 12:56 PM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote: Dear all, This issue is about agreeing a template based on which the specification documents of CRM family models will be produced. The working document for this issue is here:

Re: [Crm-sig] E-vote for issue 493 (example templates)

YES On 6/18/2021 12:47 PM, Athanasios Velios via Crm-sig wrote: Dear all, This issue is about agreeing a rationale and a template based on which CRMbase and CRM extension examples will be produced. The working document for this issue is here:

[Crm-sig] Official versionCRM 7.1.1 is now closed and fixed

Dear All, As announced today in the 50th(!) CRM-SIG Meeting, the new official version of the CRM is now officially finished and fixed as CRM 7.1.1: See http://www.cidoc-crm.org/versions-of-the-cidoc-crm : In pdf format, binary fixed by DOI: https://doi.org/10.26225/FDZH-X261

[Crm-sig] Issue 518

Dear All, Following today's discussion and decision, I now reuse this example for E7 and E4 in the following way: *This is an example for E7 Activity:* The settlement activity of the population of Lerna IV and Lerna V (E7) [The expression “a physical expression of one cultural group” in

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling 'Transcription' Advice?

Dear Rob, All, I think this is a question to CRMtex, and Achille and Francesca, which should provide a general theory of transcriptions. All the best, martin On 7/22/2021 4:59 PM, Robert Sanderson via Crm-sig wrote: What about:  A a E33_Linguistic_Object ;   P94i_was_created_by Creation

Re: [Crm-sig] Argument for an Instrument Class (and its property)

Hi George, I think this is a good idea, of course, we should first look at a more specific property, since "instruments" can be very heterogeneous, or we concentrate on measurement devices in a narrower sense. Best, Martin On 8/25/2021 12:53 PM, George Bruseker via Crm-sig wrote: Dear

[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: revise TX5 Reading versus TX6 Transcription

Dear All, I belief that TX5 Reading and TX6 Transcription should be in a different relationship. In more detail, I propose to rename TX5 Reading to "TX5 Text Recognition", and ontologically strictly separate observation from inferred interpretation of meaning, once TX5 Reading is declared

Re: [Crm-sig] Argument for an Instrument Class (and its property)

e a useful discussion and class. It has also been proposed within the PARCOURS model although perhaps a tighter proposal can be made. Thanasis P.S. The example for P103 could do with updating... On 01/09/2021 20:47, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Hi George, I think this is a good idea, of

Re: [Crm-sig] Argument for an Instrument Class (and its property)

;] Rob On Tue, Sep 7, 2021 at 12:47 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Dear All, Just to give you a picture of the diversity and complexity we discuss. Probably the high-end in complexity is a DNA - taxonomic distance measureme

Re: [Crm-sig] RDFS, XML and more

Dear Miel, Could you present this in the next SIG?😁 Martin On 9/8/2021 11:07 AM, Miel Vander Sande via Crm-sig wrote: Hi Pavlos, Op di 7 sep. 2021 om 09:38 schreef Pavlos Fafalios mailto:[email protected]>>: Dear Miel, Thank you for your comments. Having a JSON-LD 

Re: [Crm-sig] RDFS, XML and more

Dear Francesco, This is a complex issue, which has been discussed in length in 2018 and basically was spelled out in the implementation guidelines for RDFS by Richrad Light and me. All these questions you pose have been taken into account carefully. The text may need improvements, but I'd

Re: [Crm-sig] Linked Places mapping

Dear Francesco, Richard, I am a bit confused. Even though people wrongly call a gazetteer a "place name ontology", it has nothing to do with ontology, because it is a collection of particulars. A place is not a class. I understand that the mapping exercise is a data transformation from

Re: [Crm-sig] RDFS, XML and more

Dear Robert, Mark, Of course this is not elegant schema design. Unease is accepted, but what are the alternatives?? On 9/9/2021 10:30 PM, Robert Sanderson wrote: As expected, it entails the nonsense that the literal "fish"@en is an E1, E41, E90, etc. which is garbage caused by this

Re: [Crm-sig] RDFS, XML and more

Sorry, I just forgot: Of course we can provide guidelines and S/W how to query all names etc. We can hardly forbid CRM users to put appellations into rdfs:label. So, how do this problem solved in OWL? Those of you opposing to the superproperty hack, how do you solve the query question?

Re: [Crm-sig] RDFS, XML and more

Dear All, I'd also like to point you to a subtle distinction which is very important for us: Mark correctly states: "If you declare rdfs:label a subproperty of P1 you are changing in fact the definition of rdfs:label and the definition of E41. This means you simply change the data on

Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: revise TX5 Reading versus TX6 Transcription

g about them, but they probably need a more articulated discussion. Regards, Achille & Francesca Il giorno 6 set 2021, alle ore 19:50, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig mailto:[email protected]>> ha scritto: Dear All, I belief that TX5 Reading and TX6 Transcription

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

Dear Robert, I support this. I suggest the non-human Actors to go into CRMsci. It is a straightforward extension of scope, and has been discussed in the past. Non-human actors cannot be hold liable, and will not report. They are obviously a sibling to the human actors, and fall under a

[Crm-sig] New Issue

Dear All, Dominic Oldman and I would like to raise a new issue: Whereas large efforts concentrate on migrating legacy data into CRM format, and the CRM is not meant to prescribe what to document, guide-lines and incentives for an optimal use of the ability of the CRM to create and

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

Mercedes Menéndez, PhD candidate in Art History at the University of Oviedo, Spain. Enviado desde Correo <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> para Windows *De: *Martin Doerr via Crm-sig <mailto:[email protected]> *Enviado: *Tuesday, September 21, 2021 9:16 PM *Pa

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

tps://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> para Windows *De: *Martin Doerr via Crm-sig <mailto:[email protected]> *Enviado: *Tuesday, September 21, 2021 9:16 PM *Para: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> *Asunto: *Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors Dear Robert,

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

mine how far we can unpack it as part of the process, while respecting core design values. R On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 3:59 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Dear Mercedes, all, My position is that machines are not actors. They are robots, that

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

d be ... but the zoo did not eat the child. There's lots to unpack ... it would be good to determine how far we can unpack it as part of the process, while respecting core design values. R On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 3:59 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig mailto:[email protected]

[Crm-sig] About Appellations in RDFS

Dear All, Please let me summarizing the discussions about making rdfs:label IsA P1 is identified by, without triggering any more discussion on it: a) This declaration obviously is against *syntactic practice* in RDFS b) It appears to be a logically correct rendering of the CRM, because we

[Crm-sig] Issue 554 Examples for E4 Period

Dear All, Here my attempts to create examples for E4 Period that occur on spatially disjoint areas, but with temporal continuity. Two are from Dariah Hook: *The Capital of Russia (E4) [the capital of Russia is an administrative unit that moved in historical times from Moscow to St

[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: revise TX5 Reading versus TX6 Transcription

Dear Achille, we widely agree, but, I simply meant more general, more fundamental principles. On 10/1/2021 6:47 PM, Achille Felicetti wrote: Dear Martin, Please find our comments inline. Very generally, in order to observe a sign as a sign, we need a context fitting to some hypotheses what

Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: revise TX5 Reading versus TX6 Transcription

ctice, beyond what is theoretically possible. Isn't it? By the way, interesting is which kinds of inferences would allow for determining the reading direction of the Phaistos Disc? All the best, Martin On 10/1/2021 10:22 PM, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Dear Achille, we widely agree, but

[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: Scope note of P139

Dear All, Whereas the question of asymmetry has been reformulated for P130, the respective corrections have not been carried out for P139: *P130 shows features of (features are also found on)* Domain: E70 <#_toc8408> Thing Range: E70 <#_toc8408> Thing Superproperty of: E33 <#_toc7918>

[Crm-sig] Homework Issue 517

Dear All, I have extended the description of reflexivity with a motivation for normal users, and created a clone description of non-reflexivity, in yellow below. "Asymmetry" should disappear in the CRM following past decisions. reflexivity Reflexivity is defined in the standard

[Crm-sig] Issue 531 Homework

Dear All, Here an attempt to improve the new scope note of S15 Observable Entity with respect to the confinement of event observation: *S15 Observable Entity * Subclass of: E1 <#_heading=h.1fob9te> CRM Entity Superclass of:  E5 Event    O10 Material Substantial

[Crm-sig] Homework Issue 559

Dear All, Here the equivalence between P43 has dimension and O12 has dimension. Since S10 Material Substantial IsA E70 Thing and IsA S15, it constitutes the overlap between O12 and P43. But O12 adds dimensions to events. I have also added E numbers to the examples. Result: *O12 has

[Crm-sig] Issue 531 Observable situation

Dear All, Here some thought on "Observable Situations": An Observable Situation can be perceived as the focus of an observer, by human senses or enhanced or mediated by technical instruments, on a constellation, an interaction or a dynamic behavior of things or sections of things of  

[Crm-sig] Issue 496

Dear All, Issue 496 ended with homework by me, Par Riva and Thanasis Velios, abut the functionality of a minimal CRM vocabulary: Here is our proposal: *The Functional role of a Minimal Vocabulary *...to be used together with the CIDOC-CRM* * The policy of the CRM is to restrict classes to

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 554 Examples for E4 Period

Dear All, Please let me add some clarifications. All valid aspects that you mention😁 .. but with the Russian example I wanted to describe an administrative unit, not to explain the term "capital of Russia", nor who maintains it. I follow Oeyvind's arguments about the complexity of involved

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 554 Examples for E4 Period

Dear All, Here my new proposal, slightly reworked😁 * The Capital of Russia (E4) [the capital of Russia in the sense of an administrative unit moved in historical times from Moscow to St Petersburg and again back to Moscow. This exemplifies an administrative unit changing place over time

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

Dear George, Robert, This makes generally sense to me as a discussion starting point. However, I‘d like to remind you that our methodology requires first a community practice of doing documentation about such things, and second domain experts for concepts that are not our primary knowledge.

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

...I'd like to add that behavioral studies with birds and mammals may be a reasonable scope, but, experts need to speak I think! Best, Martin On 10/11/2021 6:50 PM, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Dear George, Robert, This makes generally sense to me as a discussion starting point. Ho

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

Dear Robert, Having collaborated with natural history museum colleagues for some years and designed a research infrastructure for biodiversity in Greece, I understand that they normally do not describe the actions of an individual in a way that information integration on the base of the

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

Hi George, I'd prefer to let the biologists talk about that. To my best knowledge of real cases, this is a much debated question. For the time being, I am sorry I have no time to provide details. All the best, Martin On 10/12/2021 10:02 AM, George Bruseker wrote: On the expertise

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

Dear Philippe, All, These are good examples. Could you provide sample records? We should check the schema used for migratory species tracking, and find an expert for that. Presence in events may be enough. Kea, Caledonian Crow and other behavior studies typically are done in controlled Lab

[Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: Overview of standards.

Dear Robert, This are good points. I believe such overview information should appear on the CRM site, however, someone needs to maintain and update. WRT technical implementation, per default CRM-SIG provides RDFS. OWL is more powerful, but implementers must be careful not to impose

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling a simulated view on a physical space

Dear Florian, Nice Problem! Actually I do not regard it a Simulation, because it does not introduce theories to extrapolate into the future or to fit to observational data for theory testing. I think it is simply data Evaluation, which results in an estimate for a place. I'd regard the

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling a simulated view on a physical space and Issue 531

I'd like to add, since we discuss the question of observable situations and the results of observation in continuation, the painting as a result of an observation should be modeled adequately. On 10/27/2021 8:21 PM, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Dear Florian, Nice Problem! Actually

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling a simulated view on a physical space

I forgot: the image I sent in the previous message shows Mount Youchtas south of Heraklion, in a recent photo by me and a drawing by Buondelmonti, 1415, stressing that the mountain reminds the sleeping head of Zeus, in his report about his travel around Crete. This resemblance with a human

Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE How to model the focus or view of an observation

Dear Florian, Thank you too for the subject! We would be very pleased to hear in due time how you have proceeded. In the meanwhile, I'd propose a new issue: How to model the focus/view of an observation (to elaborate the Dimension - Visual Item question, view directions and sections of

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors

/4/2021 4:23 PM, Øyvind Eide wrote: Dear Martin, thank you very much for this extensive overview of the modelling questions and challenges. I want for now to pick up on one small comment only. Am 03.11.2021 um 18:32 schrieb Martin Doerr via Crm-sig : Dear Robert, all, [...] * *This chain o

Re: [Crm-sig] New Issue: Non-human Actors, professional examples

Dear All, As background material for future discussion, I add here a real example of animal tracking and how this would be represented in a CRM-compatible way by colleagues in charge in the National Greek research infrastructure Node "LifeWatch Greece" of LifeWatch Europe:

[Crm-sig] PLEASE VOTE: New Member.

Dear All, It is a great pleasure and honor for us to announce that the Palace Museum in Beijing applies for CRM-SIG membership. I have received the following request from the Museum: "The Palace Museum would like to apply for the CRM-SIG membership. Ye Yipei, who is now already attending

Re: [Crm-sig] Scope note/range clarification - E80, P112

Dear All, Actually the class was also designed for cutting parts from archaeological objects, natural history stuff etc. We had a long discussion if, in the very instant, a part is broken from a natural object, e.g. for sampling, the diminished becomes "human made". We later ultimately

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

Dear All, The missing property of outcome is so far deliberate in the CRM, because we could not identify a general case. In contrast, there are models with input-output semantics, but this is a very small subset. As in all such cases, we first need a collection of examples, and study if

Re: [Crm-sig] About ... entity of Type?

Dear George, I think this is a very good idea. There are thousands of archaeological publications listing items etc. of certain types, often with reference to museums keeping them, but library practice will only register overall aboutness. Museum records cite such publications explicitly, but

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

between "input-output" etc. May be it is time to study if we can create a relatively comprehensive list. Some events may only leave memory as only persistent thing, e.g. performances. To be discussed!😁 Best, Martin On 12/31/2021 8:29 PM, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Dear All, T

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

this is a generally useful property to define. Still, you use the term "outcome", without explaining it, isn't it? I honestly do not regard it as self-evident, and I had already written that in previous messages. Best, Martin Best, George On Sat, Jan 1, 2022 at 7:28 PM Martin Do

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

tcome recording for events in other contexts and see if this is a generally useful property to define. Best, George On Sat, Jan 1, 2022 at 7:28 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: In continuation: "Sold", "completed", "incomplete" are very specific thin

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

ke the other *_of_type properties, we don't want to instantiate an E8 which was triggered by the E7 but with no properties, but instead to just say that the E7 resulted in an activity of_type Sale, or of_type Return, or of_type Unknown, or of_type Bought In. Thu

Re: [Crm-sig] About ... entity of Type?

his facility. So... hopefully still a good idea but seems to have some complications to be thought through. Best, George On Sat, Jan 1, 2022 at 6:43 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Dear George, I think this is a very good idea. There are thousands of archaeological publicat

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

on of any misunderstanding, Best wishes, Martin On 1/6/2022 9:03 PM, Francesco Beretta wrote: Dear Martin, and (indirectly) Rob and George, Thank you for your comments. Le 06.01.22 à 18:13, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig a écrit : Dear Francesco, Your arguments well taken, I repeat: The speech act in CRM is

Re: [Crm-sig] Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?

Great analysis! I'll continue to elaborate this further. Wish you all a good start in 2022! Martin On 1/7/2022 12:08 PM, George Bruseker wrote: Hi Rob / Francesco / Martin, These are all nice examples that maybe we could dig into further, maybe they display the 'senses of outcome' problem

Re: [Crm-sig] Foundational perspectives of CRMbase and CRMsoc (was : Re: Modelling an Event's General Outcome Ideas? Properties?)

Please see issue 504. Best, Martin -- Dr. Martin Doerr Honorary Head of the Center for Cultural Informatics Information Systems Laboratory Institute of Computer Science Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH)

Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: "causal" in P14 scope note

Dear Robert, Yes, scope notes can always be improved! The role of the child should definitely not be regarded as P14. Necessary participation is definitey not meant by "causal" or "legal responsibility" in this scope note. P14 is meant in an active sense. In a sense, any participation may

Re: [Crm-sig] NEW ISSUE: "causal" in P14 scope note

R" condition  in the query code to simulate the superproperty. Best, Martin* * R On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 3:33 PM Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Dear Robert, Yes, scope notes can always be improved! The role of the child should definitely not be regarded as P14. N

[Crm-sig] Issue559

Dear All, Here my resolution of issue 559, the FOL equivalence in words: *O12 has dimension (is dimension of)* Domain: S15 Observable Entity Range: E54

[Crm-sig] Issue 571, cardinality of properties of properties

Dear All: Under “About the logical expressions used in the CIDOC CRM”, we find these paragraphs: The present CIDOC CRM specifications are annotated with logical axioms, providing an additional formal expression of the CIDOC CRM ontology. This section briefly introduces the assumptions that

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 574 HW (was: Scope note/range clarification - E80, P112)

esponding example to P112 for non-man-made things. Could we assign a new issue number to this? All the best, Thanasis On 05/12/2021 19:44, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig wrote: Dear All, Actually the class was also designed for cutting parts from archaeological objects, natural history stuff etc

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 580: CRMsoc redefinition of scope

Dear Francesco, I find this text very well written and clear. My only question is, why: " For facts which are established by convention as opposed to pure spatio-temporal facts," I do not see ground in the CRMbase, and the methodology applied, to regard that facts which are described in the

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 580: CRMsoc redefinition of scope

rlier, in person at a live, even if digital, meeting. Best Francesco Le 02.02.22 à 20:11, Martin Doerr via Crm-sig a écrit : Dear Francesco, I find this text very well written and clear. My only question is, why: " For facts which are established by convention as opposed to pure spati

Re: [Crm-sig] Issue 580: CRMsoc redefinition of scope

d position. Finally, if using conceptual "standards" from particular disciplinary schools, even from a whole discipline, is intended, I'd expect serious considerations about the cultural bias this introduces. All the best, Martin On Thu., Feb. 3, 2022, 11:52 p.m. Martin Doerr

  1   2   3   4   >