Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-11-09 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
Ok. Thanks for trying. Please remove Sapphire from the error reporting tool. The data that’s collected is not actionable. - Konstantin From: Marcel Bruch Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 7:55 AM To: Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-11-09 Thread Marcel Bruch
> Thanks, > > - Konstantin > > > From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Marcel > Bruch > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 2:49 AM > To: Cross project issues > Subject: Re

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-08-03 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
15 2:55 PM To: Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code Am 25.07.2015 um 15:32 schrieb Konstantin Komissarchik : is opening and extending automated error reporting to non-eclipse.org plugins, e.g. to member companies, worth these effo

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-08-03 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Marcel Bruch Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 2:49 AM To: Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code Am 31.07.2015 um 22:01 schrieb Konstantin Komissarchik : While

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-08-03 Thread Marcel Bruch
> Am 31.07.2015 um 22:01 schrieb Konstantin Komissarchik > : > > While we ponder broader process and infrastructure improvements To follow up on this part: So far only a few actively discussed this request. To me, and likely to others, it’s hard to say who really is interested in extending t

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-31 Thread Marcel Bruch
e.org] On Behalf Of Marcel > Bruch > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:55 PM > To: Cross project issues > Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code > > >> Am 25.07.2015 um 15:32 schrieb Konstantin Komissarchik >> : >> &g

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-31 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
half Of Marcel Bruch Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 2:55 PM To: Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code > Am 25.07.2015 um 15:32 schrieb Konstantin Komissarchik > : > > > is opening and extending automated error reporting to &

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Marcel Bruch
> Am 25.07.2015 um 23:13 schrieb Gunnar Wagenknecht : > >> Am 25.07.2015 um 14:08 schrieb Marcel Bruch : >> >> I’ve no strong opinion on that yet (and likely the EF and legal will have to >> final say). *My* current gut feeling is that it should be opt-in. Opt-outs, >> however, will be more ef

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Marcel Bruch
> Am 25.07.2015 um 15:32 schrieb Konstantin Komissarchik > : > > > is opening and extending automated error reporting to non-eclipse.org > > plugins, > > e.g. to member companies, worth these efforts? > > In my opinion, it’s the only way to achieve the goals you set out to achieve > at the b

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Gunnar Wagenknecht
> Am 25.07.2015 um 14:08 schrieb Marcel Bruch : > > I’ve no strong opinion on that yet (and likely the EF and legal will have to > final say). *My* current gut feeling is that it should be opt-in. Opt-outs, > however, will be more effective to get a comprehensive view. Ha! I've struggled myself

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Marcel Bruch
> Am 25.07.2015 um 16:33 schrieb Gunnar Wagenknecht : > >> Am 25.07.2015 um 06:32 schrieb Konstantin Komissarchik >> : >> >>> is opening and extending automated error reporting to non-eclipse.org >>> plugins, >>> e.g. to member companies, worth these efforts? >> >> In my opinion, it’s the onl

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
s-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Gunnar Wagenknecht Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 7:33 AM To: Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code > Am 25.07.2015 um 06:32 schrieb Ko

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
ompetitive. >> >> Thanks, >> >> - Konstantin >> >> >> >> From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org >> [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Marcel >> Bruch >> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 1

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Gunnar Wagenknecht
> Am 25.07.2015 um 06:32 schrieb Konstantin Komissarchik > : > > > is opening and extending automated error reporting to non-eclipse.org > > plugins, > > e.g. to member companies, worth these efforts? > > In my opinion, it’s the only way to achieve the goals you set out to achieve > at the be

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Ed Willink
On Behalf Of *Marcel Bruch *Sent:* Saturday, July 25, 2015 1:08 AM *To:* Cross project issues *Subject:* Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code I'll try to summarize the discussion up to the current point. The error reporting currently collects errors logged by ecli

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
roject issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code I'll try to summarize the discussion up to the current point. The error reporting currently collects errors logged by eclipse plugins, i.e., the plugin-id of the log message needs start with org.e

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Marcel Bruch
> Am 24.07.2015 um 21:07 schrieb Greg Amerson : > >> I think those clients (which currently make ~28% of the error reports) >> should actually sign-up and subscribe to their error reports > > Liferay would love to sign up, just point the way. Unfortunately, this is yet not possible - and one r

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Marcel Bruch
> Am 24.07.2015 um 19:55 schrieb Max Rydahl Andersen : > > On 24 Jul 2015, at 17:27, Marcel Bruch wrote: > >> I think those clients (which currently make ~28% of the error reports) >> should actually sign-up and subscribe to their error reports > > How do I subscribe to error reports that are

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-25 Thread Marcel Bruch
I'll try to summarize the discussion up to the current point. The error reporting currently collects errors logged by eclipse plugins, i.e., the plugin-id of the log message needs start with org.eclipse. Log messages logged by 3rd parties (e.g., oracle.tools) are ignored (some exceptions here,

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-24 Thread Greg Amerson
in builders, so they can register, get notices, the whole > bit. Absent that, I’d like to be able to at least manually help Sapphire’s > adopters improve their plugins and help them help me to improve Sapphire. > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Konstantin > > > > &g

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-24 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
and help them help me to improve Sapphire. Thanks, - Konstantin From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Marcel Bruch Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:27 AM To: Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-proje

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-24 Thread Max Rydahl Andersen
On 24 Jul 2015, at 17:27, Marcel Bruch wrote: I think those clients (which currently make ~28% of the error reports) should actually sign-up and subscribe to their error reports How do I subscribe to error reports that are filtered ? - or set up their own error collection to review and fix th

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-24 Thread Marcel Bruch
> Am 24.07.2015 um 17:36 schrieb Gunnar Wagenknecht : > >> Am 24.07.2015 um 08:27 schrieb Marcel Bruch : >> >> Most reports mentioning Sapphire are from the namespaces >> "oracle.eclipse.tools.*" and "com.liferay.*" Some reports show that Sapphire >> clients even do not follow the bundle name

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-24 Thread Gunnar Wagenknecht
> Am 24.07.2015 um 08:27 schrieb Marcel Bruch : > > Most reports mentioning Sapphire are from the namespaces > "oracle.eclipse.tools.*" and "com.liferay.*" Some reports show that Sapphire > clients even do not follow the bundle name to package name conventions. > Neither oracle.eclipse.* nor co

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-24 Thread Marcel Bruch
Komissarchik > : > > A big +1 > > -Original Message- > From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Max Rydahl > Andersen > Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 5:12 AM > To: Cross project iss

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-23 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
nstantin -Original Message- From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Ed Willink Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 9:28 PM To: cross-project-issues-dev@eclipse.org Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter a

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-23 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
Original Message- From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Gunnar Wagenknecht Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 9:29 AM To: Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party cod

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-23 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
A big +1 -Original Message- From: cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Max Rydahl Andersen Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 5:12 AM To: Cross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-23 Thread Gunnar Wagenknecht
Konstantin, > Am 22.07.2015 um 13:01 schrieb Konstantin Komissarchik > : > > Stack frames should not be considered sensitive just because they are from a > non-OSS code base. Users post stack traces with commercial code references in > forums all the time. Just because they "can" doesn't im

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-23 Thread Max Rydahl Andersen
On 22 Jul 2015, at 20:37, Marcel Bruch wrote: Konstantin, I assume you understand that user may find stacktraces to contain potentially sensitive data (if not - let’s assume it hypothetically), which options would you propose? I'll repeat what I've suggested in the past: add more to the list

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-22 Thread Ed Willink
Hi IMHO, the 20% who explicitly enabled message anonymization will also enable method anonymization because they are avoiding the problem of needing corporate approval of any release of data. A method name such as SHA4096 may reveal what algorithm is being exploited/developed. Too risky if yo

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-22 Thread Marcel Bruch
> My proposal:… Sounds okay to me. I wonder if the short cut „not to enable 3rd party class names in stack traces by default“ would be acceptable as well since it’s right on the configure dialog and easy to grasp (IMHO). Wayne, any thoughts on this? I can change the defaults (for SR1) if the E

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-22 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
ross project issues Subject: Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code Konstantin, let me send this at the beginning: this discussion is greatly appreciated - although my personal answer might not be satisfying yet… Library projects like Sapphire or Nebula

Re: [cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-22 Thread Marcel Bruch
Konstantin, let me send this at the beginning: this discussion is greatly appreciated - although my personal answer might not be satisfying yet… Library projects like Sapphire or Nebula are somewhat special because they are (more or less) exclusively used by third-party plugins. Hence they do n

[cross-project-issues-dev] Error reporter and third-party code

2015-07-21 Thread Konstantin Komissarchik
I've been watching the error reports trickling into the Sapphire inbox, but unfortunately none of them have been actionable so far. The issue is interaction with third-party code. Consider the following stack trace: java.lang.NullPointerException: HIDDEN at org.eclipse.jst.j2ee.model.ModelProv