Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-03-01 Thread Rick Tanner
On 2/27/19 5:52 PM, Nathaniel Kipps wrote: > Since there has not been much else mentioned in the last week, does > anyone else have input, or should I take this as permission to > resurrect the bridge this weekend? Direct responses from Leaf and ryo > are below; mwedel and Partmedia have

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-27 Thread Nathaniel Kipps
Since there has not been much else mentioned in the last week, does anyone else have input, or should I take this as permission to resurrect the bridge this weekend? Direct responses from Leaf and ryo are below; mwedel and Partmedia have commented, but have not directly expressed their support.

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-20 Thread Nicolas Weeger
Hello. Seems fine to me. For the archive history, 2 months seems ok to me. It won't be indexed, apparently. Besides, everyone knows (I hope :)) that chats on IRC that need to be persisted should be sent to the mailing list :p Best regards Nicolas Le lundi 18 février 2019 22:29:52,

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-18 Thread ruben
the archive is not an issue at all. It is sending my communications tog a privately owned communications server that is the problem. I charge $20.00 USD per world for the use of anything I write or speak on any privately owned commercial venture including, but not limited to Discord On

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-18 Thread Ruben Safir
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 04:47:26PM -0800, Mark Wedel wrote: > On 02/18/2019 03:56 PM, bill billy wrote: > > > Anyone else have any thoughts on the archive/history length? > > > >I personally think it should be unlimited. IMO to base a limit on > >time would prevent long term threads and to base it

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-18 Thread Mark Wedel
On 02/18/2019 03:56 PM, bill billy wrote: > Anyone else have any thoughts on the archive/history length? I personally think it should be unlimited. IMO to base a limit on time would prevent long term threads and to base it on the number of posts (i.e delete after 100 or even 1000) could

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-18 Thread bill billy
> Anyone else have any thoughts on the archive/history length? I personally think it should be unlimited. IMO to base a limit on time would prevent long term threads and to base it on the number of posts (i.e delete after 100 or even 1000) could cause important conversations to be forgotten.

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-18 Thread Rick Tanner
On 2/18/19 3:41 PM, Nathaniel Kipps wrote: > On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:30 PM Rick Tanner wrote: >> * Two month archive history in Discord > > Although I would personally prefer an unlimited history, I think two > months is reasonable. Anyone else have any thoughts on the archive/history length?

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-18 Thread Nathaniel Kipps
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 4:30 PM Rick Tanner wrote: > * Two month archive history in Discord Although I would personally prefer an unlimited history, I think two months is reasonable. > * Same guidance and recommendations on both channels in regards to > civility (or right now - IRC channel

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-18 Thread Rick Tanner
After discussion and raised concerns about privacy, questions answered, etc. My thoughts: * Proceed with the implementation of a IRC & Discord bridge * Two month archive history in Discord * Channel topic update on IRC to alert users that conversations are logged in Discord for two months *

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-18 Thread Nathaniel Kipps
On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 3:50 PM Rick Tanner wrote: > Are the chat archives in Discord only available to members logged in to > the channel? > > Or are chat logs available for search engines to index, or outside > entities to download, etc.? Discord chat history is only available to current

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-18 Thread Rick Tanner
Are the chat archives in Discord only available to members logged in to the channel? Or are chat logs available for search engines to index, or outside entities to download, etc.? ___ crossfire mailing list crossfire@metalforge.org

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-09 Thread Ruben Safir
On 2/8/19 11:54 AM, greenscene8 wrote: > the i tended purpose the intended purpose is to make money for venture capital -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-09 Thread Ruben Safir
On 2/8/19 7:01 PM, Nathaniel Kipps wrote: > I think the two mentioned were Discord and Slack. I think that both of > them are great choices, they are both propreitary systems and non-starters -- So many immigrant groups have swept through our town that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-09 Thread Ruben Safir
On 2/8/19 5:16 PM, Rick Tanner wrote: > I appear to be overlooking something.. Where is the "ownership" of > Crossfire shown or listed? A better question is who is the ownership of Discourse? It sure isn't anyone that can be trust for say, most of our lifetime From the FSF site: Antifeature:

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread Nathaniel Kipps
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 5:24 PM Rick Tanner wrote: > What are the options or choices for the bridge services that you mention? I think the two mentioned were Discord and Slack. I think that both of them are great choices, due to their familiarity among large groups of people. There are also

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread Nathaniel Kipps
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 5:16 PM Rick Tanner wrote: > I appear to be overlooking something.. Where is the "ownership" of > Crossfire shown or listed? I was operating under the assumption that it was a "benevolent dictatorship", consisting primarily of the original author (who I understand to be

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread Nathaniel Kipps
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 5:24 PM Rick Tanner wrote: > I am not sure how the messages from IRC appeared in the discord > channel/server. I was not logged in there at the time. They appeared in a similar fashion, e.g., with the bot sending a message, but prefixing it with the original IRC nick. An

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread Rick Tanner
On 1/30/19 2:10 PM, DraugTheWhopper wrote: > > > * Which bridge services should be acceptable > * Chat history retention time > * Either querying or notifying the "active people" on IRC to ensure they > consent > * Moderation and regulating access to the Discord (will there be a > need to

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread Rick Tanner
On 1/31/19 11:47 PM, Mark Wedel wrote: > >  I should probably transfer ownership of crossfire to someone else - I > haven't had much time to work on it lately, and seems unlikely that I'll > find time anytime soon.  But that wasn't really the question here. I appear to be overlooking

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread Rick Tanner
On 1/31/19 11:47 PM, Mark Wedel wrote: > > - Set up a gateway.  As noted, this could have issues related to > freenode policy.  One thought there is to change the topic to clear > state that there is a gateway being used.  I'm not actually sure how > messages would get attributed when moved

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread Rick Tanner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Looking like this discussion has taken a direction unrelated to Crossfire and using Discord in conjunction with the existing FreeNode IRC channel. Please move the corporate data mining, privacy, historical discussion off the mailing list. Thank

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread Ruben Safir
On Fri, Feb 08, 2019 at 08:23:49PM +, bill billy wrote: > You can't be serious. > > So just to recap: You object to Discord because it is in cahoots with IBM to > sell data to the Nazis in preparation of some imminent fourth reich? > > Can we just have the bridge set up and move on from

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread bill billy
You can't be serious. So just to recap: You object to Discord because it is in cahoots with IBM to sell data to the Nazis in preparation of some imminent fourth reich? Can we just have the bridge set up and move on from this ridiculousness. PS. Nobody is tracking you, 1984 really got in your

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread Ruben Safir
On 2/8/19 11:54 AM, greenscene8 wrote: > I agree... Discord helps keep gaming communities together. Not worth arguing > about. It's an excellent forum to discuss program ideas, the i tended > purpose. If youre worried about the spy state- keep the bomb discussions to > minimal and we should

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread Ruben Safir
On 2/8/19 11:54 AM, greenscene8 wrote: > I agree... Discord helps keep gaming communities together. Not worth arguing > about. It's an excellent forum to discuss program ideas, the i tended > purpose. If youre worried about the spy state- keep the bomb discussions to > minimal and we should

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread Ruben Safir
On 2/8/19 11:54 AM, greenscene8 wrote: > I agree... Discord helps keep gaming communities together. Not worth arguing > about. It's an excellent forum to discuss program ideas, the i tended > purpose. If youre worried about the spy state- keep the bomb discussions to > minimal and we should

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-08 Thread greenscene8
. Original message From: Ruben Safir Date: 2/7/19 2:09 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Crossfire Discussion Mailing List Subject: Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 03:43:50PM +, bill billy wrote:>  > A. Discord does not data-mine.

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-07 Thread bill billy
If you're going to call people who don't subscribe to your particular brand of  paranoia 'idiots' you should probably be up for a debate (and know how to spell incite). Time after time you suggest new people coming in learn Linux or use IRC all the while it would be far more intelligent to

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-07 Thread Ruben Safir
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 08:34:34PM +, bill billy wrote: > I suggest you start citing your sources or stop being a stick in the mud. This is not a debate. > On Thursday, February 7, 2019, 3:28:50 PM EST, Ruben Safir > wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 07:15:42PM +, bill

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-07 Thread bill billy
I suggest you start citing your sources or stop being a stick in the mud. On Thursday, February 7, 2019, 3:28:50 PM EST, Ruben Safir wrote: On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 07:15:42PM +, bill billy wrote: >  >     >

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-07 Thread Ruben Safir
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 07:15:42PM +, bill billy wrote: > >     > https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/discord/investors/investors_list#section-investors > > Researching these topics takes only slightly more effort than it takes to > imagine some conspiracy scenario. There is no

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-07 Thread bill billy
    https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/discord/investors/investors_list#section-investors Researching these topics takes only slightly more effort than it takes to imagine some conspiracy scenario. On Sunday, February 3, 2019, 4:48:09 PM EST, Nathaniel Kipps wrote: On Sat,

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-07 Thread Ruben Safir
On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 03:43:50PM +, bill billy wrote: > > A. Discord does not data-mine. That's not how VC-funded startups work. At the > moment Discord isn't concerned about finding a main source of revenue. > They're funded by several investors, which wouldn't be funding Discord if it

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-07 Thread bill billy
A. Discord does not data-mine. That's not how VC-funded startups work. At the moment Discord isn't concerned about finding a main source of revenue. They're funded by several investors, which wouldn't be funding Discord if it sold user data. Yes, it does share aggregate user data with

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-07 Thread Ruben Safir
On Sun, Feb 03, 2019 at 04:47:43PM -0500, Nathaniel Kipps wrote: > On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:21 PM Ruben Safir wrote: > > > > I see great reasons to end web based forums.. > > > > > > Can you give some of these reasons? I'd love to hear them. > > > > They depend on a browser, they spy on you,

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-03 Thread Nathaniel Kipps
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:21 PM Ruben Safir wrote: > > > I see great reasons to end web based forums.. > > > > Can you give some of these reasons? I'd love to hear them. > > They depend on a browser, they spy on you, they are not quick, they > don't integrate with my email client, I can't run

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-02 Thread Ruben Safir
On Fri, Feb 01, 2019 at 10:04:30PM -0500, Nathaniel Kipps wrote: > > There is zero reason to move from IRC... thank you. > > Absolutely, we are not proposing to replace the IRC in any way, just > extend it to improve the accessibility. > > > I see great reasons to end web based forums.. > > Can

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-01 Thread Nathaniel Kipps
> There is zero reason to move from IRC... thank you. Absolutely, we are not proposing to replace the IRC in any way, just extend it to improve the accessibility. > I see great reasons to end web based forums.. Can you give some of these reasons? I'd love to hear them. On a related note, I

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-01 Thread Ruben Safir
On Fri, Feb 01, 2019 at 12:17:08PM -0800, Kevin Zheng wrote: > On 1/31/19 9:47 PM, Mark Wedel wrote: > >  I should probably transfer ownership of crossfire to someone > >else - I haven't had much time to work on it lately, and seems > >unlikely that I'll find time anytime soon.  But that wasn't

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-02-01 Thread Kevin Zheng
On 1/31/19 9:47 PM, Mark Wedel wrote:  I should probably transfer ownership of crossfire to someone else - I haven't had much time to work on it lately, and seems unlikely that I'll find time anytime soon.  But that wasn't really the question here. I nominate Rick, who has been a pretty

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-01-31 Thread Mark Wedel
I should probably transfer ownership of crossfire to someone else - I haven't had much time to work on it lately, and seems unlikely that I'll find time anytime soon. But that wasn't really the question here. It is hard to argue about making the game (or chat channels) more accessible

Re: [crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-01-30 Thread Rick Tanner
Not forming an opinion yet, giving guidance, etc. - just sharing feedback and comments. This link was shared on the IRC channel by a user in regards to Discord. https://www.tomsguide.com/us/help-me-toms-guide-discord-permissions,review-5104.html

[crossfire] Improving IRC availability with a chat bridge

2019-01-30 Thread DraugTheWhopper
Hi all, In the IRC there's been talk of making it easier to join and contribute in the chat by setting up a bridge between the IRC channel and another chat service. Both Slack and Discord have been mentioned as possibilities. In the last 24 hours, I just set up a basic functional bridge, so we