Re:sendmail patch for smtps (SSL-SMTP)?

1999-07-05 Thread Enzo Michelangeli

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No, just installing an SSL wrapper/port redirector in front of SMTP will not
work. Unlike pops and imaps, smtps involves more than just wrapping SMTP in
SSL and running the service on a new port.

Actually, the "simple wrapping" has been deprecated also for POP3 and IMAP, 
essentially to save port numbers and simplify the firewall setup. There are IETF 
drafts about using the "STARTTLS" mechanism also for those protocols: they can be 
found  searching the draft  pages at www.ietf.org .

Enzo 



RE: sendmail patch for smtps (SSL-SMTP)?

1999-07-05 Thread Lucky Green

 From: Enzo Michelangeli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

 Actually, the "simple wrapping" has been deprecated also for
 POP3 and IMAP, essentially to save port numbers and simplify
 the firewall setup. There are IETF drafts about using the
 "STARTTLS" mechanism also for those protocols: they can be
 found  searching the draft  pages at www.ietf.org .

Ouch. Seems somebody is busy making certain that one won't be able to use
standard US distributions of these implementations much longer to trivially
implement the secure protocols by adding a wrapper. This is very bad news,
indeed. As for simplifying the firewall setup, I would question that forcing
a secure and an insecure service to run on the same port adds to the
security of a site.

Thanks for the info,
--Lucky




Re: sendmail patch for smtps (SSL-SMTP)?

1999-07-05 Thread Marc Horowitz

"Lucky Green" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Ouch. Seems somebody is busy making certain that one won't be able to use
 standard US distributions of these implementations much longer to trivially
 implement the secure protocols by adding a wrapper. This is very bad news,
 indeed. 

The IETF is more interested in having well-engineered protocols than
in making it easy to use US implementations.  The port explosion was a
real problem, and security done through wrappers makes some security
problems (like authorization) harder, not easier.

Regardless, the STARTTLS command as usually spec'd could probably be
implemented as a wrapper, it would just have to be more complicated
than a simple wrapper.

 As for simplifying the firewall setup, I would question that
 forcing a secure and an insecure service to run on the same port
 adds to the security of a site.

This encourages sites to deprecate the insecure service in favor of
the secure one.  In the long run, this increases security and reduces
the need for firewalls, which as often as not give false security.

Marc