Re: NPR : E-Mail Encryption Rare in Everyday Use

2006-02-24 Thread Ed Gerck
Paul, Usability should by now be recognized as the key issue for security - namely, if users can't use it, it doesn't actually work. And what I heard in the story is that even savvy users such as Phil Z (who'd have no problem with key management) don't use it often. BTW, just to show that

Re: NPR : E-Mail Encryption Rare in Everyday Use

2006-02-24 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 4:31 PM -0800 2/23/06, Ed Gerck wrote: Usability should by now be recognized as the key issue for security - Fully agree. namely, if users can't use it, it doesn't actually work. We disagree on the meaning of the phrase actually work. And what I heard in the story is that even savvy

Re: NPR : E-Mail Encryption Rare in Everyday Use

2006-02-24 Thread Ben Laurie
Ed Gerck wrote: Paul, Usability should by now be recognized as the key issue for security - namely, if users can't use it, it doesn't actually work. And what I heard in the story is that even savvy users such as Phil Z (who'd have no problem with key management) don't use it often.

Re: NPR : E-Mail Encryption Rare in Everyday Use

2006-02-24 Thread Philipp Gühring
Hi, And what I heard in the story is that even savvy users such as Phil Z (who'd have no problem with key management) don't use it often. Phil *does* have a problem with key management. He knows how to do it, but his communications partners are not as good as he is. Phil Z doesn´t know how

Re: NPR : E-Mail Encryption Rare in Everyday Use

2006-02-24 Thread Ed Gerck
Ben Laurie wrote: Ed Gerck wrote: Paul, Usability should by now be recognized as the key issue for security - namely, if users can't use it, it doesn't actually work. And what I heard in the story is that even savvy users such as Phil Z (who'd have no problem with key management) don't use it

Re: NPR : E-Mail Encryption Rare in Everyday Use

2006-02-24 Thread Ben Laurie
Ed Gerck wrote: Ben Laurie wrote: Ed Gerck wrote: Paul, Usability should by now be recognized as the key issue for security - namely, if users can't use it, it doesn't actually work. And what I heard in the story is that even savvy users such as Phil Z (who'd have no problem with key

Re: NPR : E-Mail Encryption Rare in Everyday Use

2006-02-24 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ed Gerck writes: This IS one of the sticky points ;-) If postal mail would work this way, you'd have to ask me to send you an envelope before you can send me mail. This is counter-intuitive to users. I assumed that that was your point, which is why I figured you

Re: NPR : E-Mail Encryption Rare in Everyday Use

2006-02-24 Thread dan
Usability should by now be recognized as the key issue for security - namely, if users can't use it, it doesn't actually work. % man gpg | wc -l 1705 % man gpg | grep dry -n, --dry-run Don't make any changes (this is not completely implemented). I rest my case. --dan