Re: once more, with feeling.

2008-09-10 Thread Dave Howe
Darren J Moffat wrote: Warnings aren't enough in this context [ whey already exists ] the only thing that will work is stopping the page being seen - replacing it with a clearly worded explanation with *no* way to pass through and render the page (okay maybe with a debug build of the browser

street prices for digital goods?

2008-09-10 Thread David Molnar
Dan Geer's comment about the street price of heroin as a metric for success has me thinking - are people tracking the street prices of digital underground goods over time? The Symantec Threat Reports do seem to report advertised prices for a basket of goods, starting in Volume XI (March 2007)

Re: once more, with feeling.

2008-09-10 Thread Paul Hoffman
At 11:21 PM +0100 9/9/08, Dave Howe wrote: Darren J Moffat wrote: Warnings aren't enough in this context [ whey already exists ] the only thing that will work is stopping the page being seen - replacing it with a clearly worded explanation with *no* way to pass through and render the page

Re: street prices for digital goods?

2008-09-10 Thread dan
David Molnar writes, in part: -+--- | Dan Geer's comment about the street price of | heroin as a metric for success has me thinking - | are people tracking the street prices of digital | underground goods over time? This material is in fact tracked but not so

Re: once more, with feeling.

2008-09-10 Thread Joss Wright
Dave Howe wrote: One thing that concerns me is that in the new release of firefox, there appears to be NO way to get to a site that has a bad certificate (or self signed certificate) other than overriding the warning permanently - no ok let me see it, I have seen the warning and want to look

Re: street prices for digital goods?

2008-09-10 Thread dan
Sigh... typing in a moving vehicle. This is the right URL, verified by cutpaste. http://geer.tinho.net/ieee/ieee.sp.geer.0801.pdf Sorry. --dan - The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending unsubscribe

Re: once more, with feeling.

2008-09-10 Thread William Allen Simpson
James A. Donald wrote: Peter Gutmann wrote: Unfortunately I think the only way it (and a pile of other things as well) may get stamped out is through a multi-pronged approach that includes legislation, and specifically properly thought-out requirements I agree. I'm sure this is a

Re: once more, with feeling.

2008-09-10 Thread Perry E. Metzger
[Moderator's note: with my other hat on, let me say that although I'm a libertarian, I do not want to have this mailing list fill with libertarianism vs. statism arguments. I'm going to cut this off pretty quickly. --Perry-as-moderator] William Allen Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I agree.

Re: once more, with feeling.

2008-09-10 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 01:29:32PM -0400, William Allen Simpson wrote: I agree. I'm sure this is a world-wide problem, and head-in-the-sand cyber-libertarianism has long prevented better solutions. The market doesn't work for this, as there is a competitive *disadvantage* to providing

Re: once more, with feeling.

2008-09-10 Thread Dave Howe
Paul Hoffman wrote: At 11:21 PM +0100 9/9/08, Dave Howe wrote: Darren J Moffat wrote: Warnings aren't enough in this context [ whey already exists ] the only thing that will work is stopping the page being seen - replacing it with a clearly worded explanation with *no* way to pass through