Re: [Cryptography] Hashes into Ciphers (was Re: FIPS, NIST and ITAR questions)

2013-09-05 Thread Joachim Strömbergson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Aloha! Stephan Neuhaus wrote: On 2013-09-04 16:37, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Phil Karn described a construction for turning any hash function into the core of a Feistel cipher in 1991. So far as I can tell, such ciphers are actually quite secure,

[Cryptography] Hashes into Ciphers (was Re: FIPS, NIST and ITAR questions)

2013-09-04 Thread Perry E. Metzger
As a pure aside... On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 15:16:14 -0400 Faré fah...@gmail.com wrote: Can't you trivially transform a hash into a PRNG, a PRNG into a cypher, and vice versa? Phil Karn described a construction for turning any hash function into the core of a Feistel cipher in 1991. So far as I can

Re: [Cryptography] Hashes into Ciphers (was Re: FIPS, NIST and ITAR questions)

2013-09-04 Thread Stephan Neuhaus
On 2013-09-04 16:37, Perry E. Metzger wrote: Phil Karn described a construction for turning any hash function into the core of a Feistel cipher in 1991. So far as I can tell, such ciphers are actually quite secure, though impractically slow. Pointers to his original sci.crypt posting would be