Re: Is 3DES Broken?

2005-02-07 Thread Jerrold Leichter
| I think you meant ECB mode? | | No, I meant CBC -- there's a birthday paradox attack to watch out for. | | Yep. In fact, there's a birthday paradox problem for all the standard | chaining modes at around 2^{n/2}. | | For CBC and CFB, this ends up leaking information about the XOR of

Re: Is 3DES Broken?

2005-02-07 Thread Jerrold Leichter
| No, I meant CBC -- there's a birthday paradox attack to watch out for. | | | Yep. In fact, there's a birthday paradox problem for all the standard | chaining modes at around 2^{n/2}. | For CBC and CFB, this ends up leaking information about the XOR of a couple | plaintext blocks

Re: Is 3DES Broken?

2005-02-07 Thread Jon Callas
On 4 Feb 2005, at 10:51 AM, Greg Rose wrote: I'm surprised that no-one has said that ECB mode is unsafe at any speed. Because if they did, some smartass would chime in and say that ECB mode is perfectly fine at some speeds. For example, you could safely encrypt one bit in ECB mode,

Re: Is 3DES Broken?

2005-02-05 Thread Ian G
John Kelsey wrote: From: Steven M. Bellovin [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, I meant CBC -- there's a birthday paradox attack to watch out for. Yep. In fact, there's a birthday paradox problem for all the standard chaining modes at around 2^{n/2}. For CBC and CFB, this ends up leaking information

Re: Is 3DES Broken?

2005-02-04 Thread james hughes
On Feb 2, 2005, at 1:32 PM, bear wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: snip re: 3des broken? [Moderator's note: The quick answer is no. The person who claims otherwise is seriously misinformed. I'm sure others will chime in. --Perry] [snip] When using CBC mode, one should

Re: Is 3DES Broken?

2005-02-02 Thread Daniel Carosone
On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 10:38:53PM -0500, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: When using CBC mode, one should not encrypt more than 2^32 64-bit blocks under a given key. That comes to ~275G bits, which means that on a GigE link running flat out you need to rekey at least every 5 minutes, which is

Re: Is 3DES Broken?

2005-02-02 Thread james hughes
On Jan 31, 2005, at 10:38 PM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: When using CBC mode, one should not encrypt more than 2^32 64-bit blocks under a given key. That comes to ~275G bits, which means that on a GigE link running flat out you need to rekey at least every 5 minutes, which is often impractical.

Re: Is 3DES Broken?

2005-02-02 Thread bear
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: snip re: 3des broken? [Moderator's note: The quick answer is no. The person who claims otherwise is seriously misinformed. I'm sure others will chime in. --Perry] I'll be happy to second Perry's comment -- I've seen no evidence whatsoever

Re: Is 3DES Broken?

2005-02-01 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Aram Perez writes: Hi Folks, I hate to bother you with what I consider a dumb question, but I'm trying to give a person the benefit of my doubts. There's a person on a legal forum that I participate in that claims that 3DES has been broken/cracked. However, he has